WHOSE TESTIMONY; THE FATHER'S OR THE SON'S ?

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heavenly_bound

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Has the church been assigned to testify of God the Father or God the Son?
 

Zmouth

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For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; John 5:26

So wouldn't that make the Son our Father since we are living in Him?
 

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Has the church been assigned to testify of God the Father or God the Son?
That depends on whether you believe that HE and THE FATHER are ONE
He who has THE SON has THE FSTHER also
 
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miknik5

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And is THE CHURCH "better than" THE HOLY SPIRIT who glorifies THE SON of GOD to THE GLORY of THE FATHER?
 
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Just off the top of my head - I would say both. To the unbeliever - we testify of the word of Christ as well as to the believer too. Col. 3:16

We also have Jesus saying that He revealed for the first time to the world about the Father.

John 17:25-26 (NASB)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] "O righteous Father, although the world has not known You, yet I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me;

[SUP]26 [/SUP]and I have made Your name known to them, and will make it known, so that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them."
 

miknik5

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One SPIRIT

John, a human witness, came testifying to the ONE who came forth frpm
GOD

not all believe that testimony
 

miknik5

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Many profess to have god(s) but deny THE SON.
Therwfire they deny the FATHER who sent HIM. And in a sense, they call GOD a liar. They do not believe GOD's TESTIMONY which HE has given of HIS SON


For THE SON came speaking ALL that THE FATHER gave HIM to say

there is ONE who will judge the man who does not believe THE SON

the very ONE which HE said. The same will judge that man
For if we had believed HE came speaking all that THE FATHER said, we would have believed HIM
GOD


but the law law requires the testimony of two or three
HE testified if HIMSELF

HIS FATHER also trstofies
 

miknik5

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Though of course though HE could testify of HIMSELF, those of the law could not accept it therefore HE pointed to John
 
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For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; John 5:26

So wouldn't that make the Son our Father since we are living in Him?
Yes the one and same Holy Spirit. No separation.

Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all "taught of God". Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
 

miknik5

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Yes the one and same Holy Spirit. No separation.

Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all "taught of God". Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
I'm sorry. But do all believe that there is ONE GOSPEL, ONE BAPTISM, ONE SPIRIT, ONE BODY, ONE FAITH, ONE HOPE, ONE LORD, ONE TRUTH, ONE WAY, ONE GOD
 
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WHOSE TESTIMONY; THE FATHER'S OR THE SON'S ?
The above statement confirms the confusion in the "hyper grace" doctrine and those who follow it, which believes the God of the OT is different in thinking than the God of the NT. This confusion is corfirmed here in Joseph Princes teachings---->>>>
16-The Word of God doesn’t produce faith, only the Word of Christ

17-The Word of God and the word of Christ don’t agree on some things
source of quote...Joseph Prince exposed, false teachings of Joseph Prince

Clearly we see by the above nonsense they believe there are 2 different words being spoken, thus 2 different gods in their minds.

This confused way of thinking is of the world, and is of the spirit of this world, and is not of the Holy Spirit= Spirit of Truth. Beware of this false grace doctrine called "hyper grace" which is of the world and is not of the One True God. :)
 
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The above statement confirms the confusion in the "hyper grace" doctrine and those who follow it, which believes the God of the OT is different in thinking than the God of the NT. This confusion is corfirmed here in Joseph Princes teachings---->>>> source of quote...Joseph Prince exposed, false teachings of Joseph Prince


16-The Word of God doesn’t produce faith, only the Word of Christ

17-The Word of God and the word of Christ don’t agree on some things

Clearly we see by the above nonsense they believe there are 2 different words being spoken, thus 2 different gods in their minds.

This confused way of thinking is of the world, and is of the spirit of this world, and is not of the Holy Spirit= Spirit of Truth. Beware of this false grace doctrine called "hyper grace" which is of the world and is not of the One True God. :)

Complete nonsense and a bunch of "twisted" lies as usual. When are you ever going to start speaking truth and stop this slander and maligning?
 
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Complete nonsense and a bunch of "twisted" lies as usual. When are you ever going to start speaking truth and stop this slander and maligning?
I constantly provide proof via JP's false teachings as I did in the above quotes, and also by quotes from his many cult followers in these forums like yourself. So when one provides proof as I did, it is not slander. Sorry if the words of God are contrary to your cults false religious beliefs. You have a nice day. :)
 
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Has the church been assigned to testify of God the Father or God the Son?
can you give a year and a time to this. given the bible has two section call new and old testament.

it a bit hard for them that do study the bible to narrow down to what you mean by your , human logic.etc given, its a big book to human logic. etc
 
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I constantly provide proof via JP's false teachings as I did in the above quotes, and also by quotes from his many cult followers in these forums like yourself. So when one provides proof as I did, it is not slander. Sorry if the words of God are contrary to your cults false religious beliefs. You have a nice day. :)
In truth what you constantly do is record what the "twisting" of someone's words are to make it "appear" to be something else.

We are not ignorant of your schemes here and we are not going to fall for your "baiting". I'll leave you to your slander and maligning of others in the body of Christ.

The saints have been adequately warned about you and your deceptive tactics to malign people that don't believe what you do. I'll trust the Holy Spirit to show us the truth about the awesomeness of our great salvation in our Lord Jesus Christ.

You have a great day too...:)
 
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The above statement confirms the confusion in the "hyper grace" doctrine and those who follow it, which believes the God of the OT is different in thinking than the God of the NT. This confusion is corfirmed here in Joseph Princes teachings---->>>> source of quote...Joseph Prince exposed, false teachings of Joseph Prince

Clearly we see by the above nonsense they believe there are 2 different words being spoken, thus 2 different gods in their minds.

This confused way of thinking is of the world, and is of the spirit of this world, and is not of the Holy Spirit= Spirit of Truth. Beware of this false grace doctrine called "hyper grace" which is of the world and is not of the One True God. :)
we are not Marcionites to think that the God of the OT is not the God of the NT! i have noticed something about you bro and this is it; when you don't understand something, you have the tendency of calling it names. i am really sorry to say this,; that u think you know so much and that is the reason for your confusion.
not only that; you easily get frustrated and angry. do you think lashing out on us( "the cults") will change anything. on the contrary it will go to show who really has the virtue of Christ. i have never read anyone here whom you call cult lashes out the way you do! The Lord said, by their fruits you shall know them.

NB its with all humility that i say this; if you find any post that is confusing to you, kindly pass by and let those that can contribute do so pls. Thanks
 
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I'll trust the Holy Spirit to show us the truth about the awesomeness of our great salvation in our Lord Jesus Christ.
But, but, Joseph Prince (your master, teacher and guide) is not the Holy Spirit. Unless Mr. Prince changed his name again? :)
 
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we are not Marcionites to think that the God of the OT is not the God of the NT! i have noticed something about you bro and this is it; when you don't understand something, you have the tendency of calling it names. i am really sorry to say this,; that u think you know so much and that is the reason for your confusion.
not only that; you easily get frustrated and angry. do you think lashing out on us( "the cults") will change anything. on the contrary it will go to show who really has the virtue of Christ. i have never read anyone here whom you call cult lashes out the way you do! The Lord said, by their fruits you shall know them.

NB its with all humility that i say this; if you find any post that is confusing to you, kindly pass by and let those that can contribute do so pls. Thanks

Hey, I'm not the one confused about whose testimony Jesus had. :)
 
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The above statement confirms the confusion in the "hyper grace" doctrine and those who follow it, which believes the God of the OT is different in thinking than the God of the NT. This confusion is corfirmed here in Joseph Princes teachings---->>>> source of quote...Joseph Prince exposed, false teachings of Joseph Prince

Clearly we see by the above nonsense they believe there are 2 different words being spoken, thus 2 different gods in their minds.

This confused way of thinking is of the world, and is of the spirit of this world, and is not of the Holy Spirit= Spirit of Truth. Beware of this false grace doctrine called "hyper grace" which is of the world and is not of the One True God. :)[/QUO

[h=2]WHOSE TESTIMONY; THE FATHER'S OR THE SON'S ?[/h]
does this phrase really sound like what you have stated above?