probably the greatest weakness of Hebrew Roots

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Dan_473

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When we think of observing the Law, we tend to think of Jewish people we've seen. Observant Jews almost always live in communities. They study the writings of the rabbis, a system which goes back to the Levitical priests established by the Law.

HRM people tend not to live in communities or rely on ancient Jewish interpretations.

So the weakness is that everyone decides for themselves which laws they will keep, and how they will keep them.
 

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When we think of observing the Law, we tend to think of Jewish people we've seen. Observant Jews almost always live in communities. They study the writings of the rabbis, a system which goes back to the Levitical priests established by the Law.

HRM people tend not to live in communities or rely on ancient Jewish interpretations.

So the weakness is that everyone decides for themselves which laws they will keep, and how they will keep them.
you obviously have no real idea of how others who do not ascribe to the rabbinical laws do observe what it written it the biblical text... as I am not HRM as you state it, your overall assessment lacks mush knowledge and understanding concerning both groups...
 

Dan_473

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you obviously have no real idea of how others who do not ascribe to the rabbinical laws do observe what it written it the biblical text... as I am not HRM as you state it, your overall assessment lacks mush knowledge and understanding concerning both groups...
how do you go about deciding which laws to keep, and how you will keep them?
 
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Sadly it's a Talmudic pharisaical approach that is or will soon be watered into Calvism. Like C.ha.bad it's still rooted in kabbalism / Jewish mysticism. I say 'sadly' because they have developed a superficial hermeneutic and exegetical system that has much to teach.

(we can also learn from kabbala and Tanya and Talmud the many deceptive Jewish mystical techniques but is best left alone or to the adepts).
 

Dan_473

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Sadly it's a Talmudic pharisaical approach that is or will soon be watered into Calvism. Like C.ha.bad it's still rooted in kabbalism / Jewish mysticism. I say 'sadly' because they have developed a superficial hermeneutic and exegetical system that has much to teach.

(we can also learn from kabbala and Tanya and Talmud the many deceptive Jewish mystical techniques but is best left alone or to the adepts).
That's funny, I was thinking hrm was just the opposite of a Talmudic approach... it seems highly individualistic.
 

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In my opinion, the greatest weakness of Hebrew Roots Movement and Sacred Name Movement is that they ignore the New Testament or cherry pick only some verses from it.
 
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To me the number 1 error is that some Hebrew Roots Movement people that I have observed here in CC is that they continually leave out Christ for the Law of Moses.

Paul said that in the last days people would be anti-Christ - NOT anti-God. They are all for "God" in the form of the Jewish Law of Moses but are definitely anti-Christ in their belief system. They are continually trying to get Gentile Christians to go back to the Law of Moses just like Paul's Judaizers in the book of Galatians. Paul said that he didn't let this be for even one hour. Ga. 2:3-5

There is a massive difference between being for Christ and being for God although one wouldn't think there shouldn't be - but there is. Muslims are all for "God" in their own thinking as well.
 
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how do you go about deciding which laws to keep, and how you will keep them?
I hope you are not one of those Hebrews that has rejected Jesus as the Messiah. Don't they (unbelievers) understand that if they do not accept Jesus by the time of the rapture, they will have to go through the tribulations and over 2/3 of those living at its beginning will die before its end.. To put that in perspective, WWII killed roughly 1/3 of the Jewish population through out the world.

I hope you have accepted Christ and His Gospel for the only way to His Father is through Jesus Christ.
 

Grandpa

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I think the Hebrew Roots Movement could be really amazing and awesome. Because the whole bible describes Christ and His work.

Unfortunately, we have a bunch of carnal dummies trying to go back and do carnal things that were never meant to be carnal in the first place. And then they try to teach, as doctrine, which laws to follow and which to not follow.

Its really a problem of where you place your emphasis. If its not on Christ and His Finished Work then its the wrong emphasis, imo.
 

Yonah

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how do you go about deciding which laws to keep, and how you will keep them?
its fairly simple really some laws apply to priest, some to women , some have to do with animal sacrifice for sin... others deal with virgins and so forth, it really not hard to know which ones apply and which ones do not, as far as how the biblical text is clear on the how and I don't decide He has said what and how. still I fail to see how any of this has to do with what you posted, first of all the Jewish people who are not messianic, and some that are, adhere to rabbinical tradition rather then what written I scripture, and most HRM adherents do not.
 

Dan_473

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I hope you are not one of those Hebrews that has rejected Jesus as the Messiah. Don't they (unbelievers) understand that if they do not accept Jesus by the time of the rapture, they will have to go through the tribulations and over 2/3 of those living at its beginning will die before its end.. To put that in perspective, WWII killed roughly 1/3 of the Jewish population through out the world.

I hope you have accepted Christ and His Gospel for the only way to His Father is through Jesus Christ.
yes, I have accepted Christ and His Gospel.

the question was intended to show how each hrm person decides for themselves which laws they will keep, and how they will keep them.
 

Dan_473

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its fairly simple really some laws apply to priest, some to women , some have to do with animal sacrifice for sin... others deal with virgins and so forth, it really not hard to know which ones apply and which ones do not, as far as how the biblical text is clear on the how and I don't decide He has said what and how. still I fail to see how any of this has to do with what you posted, first of all the Jewish people who are not messianic, and some that are, adhere to rabbinical tradition rather then what written I scripture, and most HRM adherents do not.
to use the toilet, do you take a shovel and go outside the camp?

if you live where it's cold, do you light the fire in your furnace on the Sabbath?
 

KohenMatt

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In my opinion, the greatest weakness of Hebrew Roots Movement and Sacred Name Movement is that they ignore the New Testament or cherry pick only some verses from it.
Some from the HRM ignore or belittle the New Testament, but the majority do not.
 

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To me the number 1 error is that some Hebrew Roots Movement people that I have observed here in CC is that they continually leave out Christ for the Law of Moses.

Paul said that in the last days people would be anti-Christ - NOT anti-God. They are all for "God" in the form of the Jewish Law of Moses but are definitely anti-Christ in their belief system. They are continually trying to get Gentile Christians to go back to the Law of Moses just like Paul's Judaizers in the book of Galatians. Paul said that he didn't let this be for even one hour. Ga. 2:3-5

There is a massive difference between being for Christ and being for God although one wouldn't think there shouldn't be - but there is. Muslims are all for "God" in their own thinking as well.
I question whether they are really Christian. There are many false versions of Jesus around and they have theirs.
The real Jesus came to fulfil the Law because we cant do it ourselves so why do they insist on trying to persuade us
that we can?
 

Yonah

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to use the toilet, do you take a shovel and go outside the camp?

if you live where it's cold, do you light the fire in your furnace on the Sabbath?

you obviously have no understanding of what you speak of, and frankly to ask about such things only shows you mocking spirit, listen : I don't come on here telling you what you should or should not do, how Christian of you to have respect for others who also serve our beloved Savior, maybe you should look at your own fruit, because they way you responded to me... it stinks.
 
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The greatest weakness of the Hebrew Roots movement is that they have gone back to those old Hebrew Roots.
 
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When we think of observing the Law, we tend to think of Jewish people we've seen. Observant Jews almost always live in communities. They study the writings of the rabbis, a system which goes back to the Levitical priests established by the Law.

HRM people tend not to live in communities or rely on ancient Jewish interpretations.

So the weakness is that everyone decides for themselves which laws they will keep, and how they will keep them.
Here is the fallacy, there are not many laws, it is THE LAW.
The Law has many ordinances and to break any ordinance is to break THE LAW.
No man has ever keep the LAW except the Son of God, Jesus the Christ.
 

Dan_473

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you obviously have no understanding of what you speak of, and frankly to ask about such things only shows you mocking spirit, listen : I don't come on here telling you what you should or should not do, how Christian of you to have respect for others who also serve our beloved Savior, maybe you should look at your own fruit, because they way you responded to me... it stinks.
I understand that you were offended, but there's really no need to be.




They are simple questions. Likely answers are

No, I use modern plumbing.
Yes, I light the fire in my furnace on the Sabbath.

But then, such answers would show that one is deciding for oneself which laws to keep.
 
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Dan,

you have an antagonistic way of expressing yourself, it is self-evident.
offending others purposefully, even after being told in Love and then
justifying it to oneself is very unkind and shows ones heart and
lack of Christ-like Love...

we can all benefit by improving ourselves in a multitude of areas,
it's our duty and honor to be the very best we can be for our
precious Lord and Master, the One who we try our best
to pattern our journey after...
 

Dan_473

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Dan,

you have an antagonistic way of expressing yourself, it is self-evident.
offending others purposefully, even after being told in Love and then
justifying it to oneself is very unkind and shows ones heart and
lack of Christ-like Love...

we can all benefit by improving ourselves in a multitude of areas,
it's our duty and honor to be the very best we can be for our
precious Lord and Master, the One who we try our best
to pattern our journey after...
Please tell me the response you would have written to Yonah.