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pottersclay

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In 70ad the temple was destroyed just as Jesus predicted. Was it a act of God? Or a act of man? And why?
 

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Perhaps God willed that the Temple be destroyed. As for His reason, the mortal mind was perhaps not meant to know:)
 
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God, using man, as is often the case, ended the old system of sacrifices.
 
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Willie's right. Unfortunately, over 1 million people died in the destruction of Jerusalem.
 
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Willie's right. Unfortunately, over 1 million people died in the destruction of Jerusalem.
And more would have "if those days had not been shortened" because of the Roman army just packing up and leaving for no apparent reason.
 
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Tintin

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And more would have "if those days had not been shortened" because of the Roman army just packing up and leaving for no apparent reason.
Right. God's hands were definitely at work removing the Roman army.
 
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Jesus wept over Jerusalem because the time of their visitation was not recognized. It's interesting that the Greek word for "visitation" is liken to that of something that is protecting or care - as in an overseer.

[FONT="Gentium" !important][I]Episkopē[/I][/FONT] is found rarely in secular Greek but frequently in the Septuagint. It can mean “protection” or “care” ([URL="http://www.crossbooks.com/verse.asp?ref=Job+10%3A12"]Job 10:12[/URL]; Proverbs 29:13), or it can refer to the office of an overseer

Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary, The - The Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary – Delta-Epsilon.

Personally I believe that the time of things was coming unto Jerusalem and if they would have accepted Christ - they would have been protected from the destruction that was coming. Sin always pays a wage but Christ came to do away with that wage for us that believe.

Luke 19:41-44 (NASB)
[SUP]41 [/SUP] When He approached Jerusalem, He saw the city and wept over it,

[SUP]42 [/SUP] saying, "If you had known in this day, even you, the things which make for peace! But now they have been hidden from your eyes.

[SUP]43 [/SUP] "For the days will come upon you when your enemies will throw up a barricade against you, and surround you and hem you in on every side,

[SUP]44 [/SUP] and they will level you to the ground and your children within you, and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not recognize the time of your visitation."
 
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In 70ad the temple was destroyed just as Jesus predicted. Was it a act of God? Or a act of man? And why?
Personally I believe it is a consequence of sin which God tried to prevent through Christ coming just in the right time to prevent destruction that was on the way - but Jerusalem would have nothing to do with it.

Sin always has a wage.
 
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Tintin

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And the modern scholars who dispute Titus Flavius Josephus' numbers have no legs to stand on. He was Jewish, he was a highly-respected historian and most importantly, he was a contemporary of the fall of Jerusalem.
 
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pottersclay

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God, using man, as is often the case, ended the old system of sacrifices.

If that were the case why would God allow such a thing .....it would prevent much of the law requirements not to be fulfilled.
 
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If that were the case why would God allow such a thing .....it would prevent much of the law requirements not to be fulfilled.
Jesus had been the ultimate sacrifice for 40 years (one generation) at that time. Law completely fulfilled.
 
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pottersclay

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Jesus had been the ultimate sacrifice for 40 years (one generation) at that time. Law completely fulfilled.
So in your opinion there was no more use for the temple so God allowed it to be destroyed?
 
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So in your opinion there was no more use for the temple so God allowed it to be destroyed?
What purpose WAS there for it after Jesus fulfilled its old purpose? Do you go to a temple today? Why not, if it is required?
 

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Knowing how much is the providence of God and how much was the natural consequences of sin we will not know until we ask God in Heaven. The way things are done and why will sometimes not be known until the day we can ask God, but for now we live by faith.

The flood was the work of God and he caused the earth to be destroyed, but he gave the people a warning and they choose to die. God gave the people a way to escape but they didn't listen.
History tells that the roman army came to take the city, they surrounded it, but turned back before they killed anyone. This was the warning to leave, and those that left the city survived.

Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.



Like the flood that came and took away from the earth of those that wouldn't listen, the Roman army came and took away from the city those that wouldn't listen.
 
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Tintin

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What purpose WAS there for it after Jesus fulfilled its old purpose? Do you go to a temple today? Why not, if it is required?
Also, 1 Corinthians 3:16-17 and 6:19-20:

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? [SUP]17 [/SUP]If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and you are that temple.

Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, [SUP]20 [/SUP]for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.
 

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In 70ad the temple was destroyed just as Jesus predicted. Was it a act of God? Or a act of man? And why?
It was an act of men who'd desire was power and gold who where allowed to do it by God because the protection of God was removed from Jerusalem and the temple...
 

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In 70ad the temple was destroyed just as Jesus predicted. Was it a act of God? Or a act of man? And why?
The temple destruction of 70 AD was prophesied by Jesus and he said that not a stone would remain un-turned. He also told the all the citizens of Jerusalem that when they saw the city surrounded on three sides to get out.

This is the same scenario repeating itself when in the last 42 months of GT, Revelation tells all who are in Jerusalem at the time of the 'abomination of desolation' to get out.

Titus was the Roman (Daniel's Beast) General responsible for the fall of Jerusalem and the Temple. He (Titus) had to return to Rome and the Roman army at this time had already surrounded Jerusalem on three sides at this time. For a period of time, while Titus took care of business at home, the Roman army simply camped where they were at.

There is one interesting point to consider. Over 1 million people died here but not one Christian died. From archives, all the Christians took Jesus at his word and removed themselves from the city via the open fourth side.

As far as the prophecy that "no stone would go un-turned", this too was fulfilled. Why? because the temple had Gold on its walls, ceilings, floors, etc. When the temple burnt, the gold being a soft metal, melted and ran down in the cracks between the stone flooring and the Beast of Daniel wanted the gold. Thus No stone was un-turned.

To answer the last question I will ask with a question! When have you as a Christian, seen any event (in the world) including individual actions of every Christian (believers) that did not have God's hand in it?
 
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What purpose WAS there for it after Jesus fulfilled its old purpose? Do you go to a temple today? Why not, if it is required?
So the Temple wasn't the center for the administration of the government formed by the OT covenant for the Hebrew people that formed the Nation of Israel following their exodus from Egypt.

So where is the ruler of the people going to dwell, in a van down by the river? :cool:

Why do you think the references indicated such as

Isa 9:6 "... and the government shall be upon his shoulder:.. "

Isa 9:7 "Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. "

Isa 22:21
And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand:

Isn't that throne of David situated in the Temple...

Wasn't the Temple referenced in the NT build by the King Cyrus the after his Persian Empire conquered the territory previous under the rule of the Chaldeans around 536 BC or so....
 
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In 70ad the temple was destroyed just as Jesus predicted. Was it a act of God? Or a act of man? And why?
Acts 4:
27: for truly in this city there were gathered together against thy holy servant Jesus, whom thou didst anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel,
28: to do whatever thy hand and thy plan had predestined to take place.


Amos 4
13: For lo, he who forms the mountains, and creates the wind, and declares to man what is his thought;


Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Deuteronomy 32
39: "`See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god beside me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand.


Isaiah 44
6: Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: "I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.
24: Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb: "I am the LORD, who made all things, who stretched out the heavens alone, who spread out the earth -- Who was with me? --