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Redeemed2015

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Over the past 3 years I have been in deep study and prayer over the Bible. This began when I was about 15. I had been studying the Bible for 3 years prior, following being saved. Being that the church I was attending was a Church of God I studied Church of God doctrine as well as the Baptist denominational doctrine that I had been raised in. I then was moved by the Spirit to another Church, an Assemblies of God. While there I was a member of Music Ministry as I had experience with Sound Engineering. After a few months as a member I was offered a staff position at 16.

During my 4 years of study I had become what some referred to as "a biblical scholar". Not that I ever initiated the title. However, my studies were more mature than most believers as I studied scripture constantly throughout the day since becoming a Christian. Including Bible Study, Devotion, Theology, Examining Denominational Doctrine, and reading scripture with contextual and historical accuracy. So, at 16 the Pastor approached me and said, "I've been looking to start a class teaching the Old Testament. I have been praying that God would show me who should teach it. And I just received confirmation that you should teach the class."

This seemed perfect as I loved reading and studying the Old Testament. I liked to say that I "Specialized" in the Old Testament and comparing/finding parallels between the OT and the NT. Over my years of Study I was well acquainted with Old Testament story line, characters, as well as Messianic and End Times Prophecy.

So I taught the class for about 2 years. During my first year of studying I matured in the way I taught. Prior to this maturing I taught Bible from a "denominationally" bias point of view. I taught bible topics with the wrong intent; that is with the intent to prove myself right about what I believed(and in turn what I had been taught to believe). I was making the bible mean what I wanted it to mean, regardless of what it was actually saying. When I realized this I made a conscience decision to set aside all predispositional, ideological, and denominational bias and I prayed that The Father would open my eyes and my heart to HIS word, that I would know HIS heart and the Truth of HIS word. And regardless of how the Truth made me feel, I would no longer make the scripture match my life, but that I would make my life match the scripture. And I did. And HE did. And here I am now. When I first did this I had no knowledge of what "Messianic Judaism" or "Hebrew Roots" was. I had already made changes and it wasn't until years later that I realized others had made similar changes and had done so by the thousands. Many with similar stories to my own.

Over the past 4 years I have made dramatic changes to my life in order to match scripture and what God has commanded me to do in HIS word. I accept HIS Truth over my own falsehood. As a result I now keep the Levitical Dietary Instructions, keep the Sabbath, and Keep the Feasts,as well as all other Biblical Commandments by which I am obligated to obey. Why? Because God has commanded HIS people to do so.

In order to understand scripture as it was intended to be received we ALL must strip away the teachings and traditions of men and must accept the teachings and traditions of The Father.

When it comes to God and HIS judgement, there is light and there is darkness. There is no twilight.
There is black and there is white. There is no grey area.
There is right and there is wrong. There is no in between.
What God has declared as Truth is Truth.
What God has declared as righteous is righteous.
What God has declared clean is clean.
What God has declared an abomination is an abomination.
What God calls sin is sin.

Instead of creating a long winded detailed outline of the beliefs I am now opening up a thread to discuss the "Hebrew Roots/Messianic" doctrinal beliefs. So, ask me anything about my beliefs and I will answer honestly and with scripture, appropriately.
 

Dan_473

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Hi Redeemed2015, welcome to CC!

Roots discussions have a long history here.

Most roots folks don't use any kind of Tradition, just go by what the Bible says. Do you do this too?

for example, suppose I said hang gliding is OK on the Sabbath. Hang gliding isn't mentioned in the Bible, so it must be OK.
 

Yonah

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using explosives in populated areas is not mentioned in the bible... so it must be ok
 

breno785au

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Your testimony reminded me of Paul's testimony before Agrippa, so have you encountered Jesus on the Damascus Road yet? :)
 
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1LonelyKnight

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It's best to go by the Bible over traditions of man. Hebrew Roots folks have a good understanding of scripture, history and tradition that generally moves well beyond a denominational or parochial understanding. They have an excellent hermeneutical and exegetical approach. Yet they appear to cling to a kabbalistic root rather than messianic fruit.

It is new to me to see the mixing of terms - Hebrew Roots with Messianic Judaism. Is Jesus the messiah having fulfilled and explained all things in the Old Testament and by thus, creating a New Testament - or - are the experts in the Old Testament teachings and traditions still looking for a different Messiah? Is Joshua/Yeshua the messiah or is Jesus The Way?
 

Yonah

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I am neither Messianic or HRM, but I am as Abram was , a Hebrew. meaning ive crossed over from paganism to the worship and relationship with the one and only God.
 
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Interesting. And I strongly agree, we should conform our lives to Scripture, not the other way around.
More people are waking up.
Warning though: some here will try to get you banned, quickly, if you say you are Hebrew Roots.
 

wolfwint

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Feb 15, 2014
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Over the past 3 years I have been in deep study and prayer over the Bible. This began when I was about 15. I had been studying the Bible for 3 years prior, following being saved. Being that the church I was attending was a Church of God I studied Church of God doctrine as well as the Baptist denominational doctrine that I had been raised in. I then was moved by the Spirit to another Church, an Assemblies of God. While there I was a member of Music Ministry as I had experience with Sound Engineering. After a few months as a member I was offered a staff position at 16.

During my 4 years of study I had become what some referred to as "a biblical scholar". Not that I ever initiated the title. However, my studies were more mature than most believers as I studied scripture constantly throughout the day since becoming a Christian. Including Bible Study, Devotion, Theology, Examining Denominational Doctrine, and reading scripture with contextual and historical accuracy. So, at 16 the Pastor approached me and said, "I've been looking to start a class teaching the Old Testament. I have been praying that God would show me who should teach it. And I just received confirmation that you should teach the class."

This seemed perfect as I loved reading and studying the Old Testament. I liked to say that I "Specialized" in the Old Testament and comparing/finding parallels between the OT and the NT. Over my years of Study I was well acquainted with Old Testament story line, characters, as well as Messianic and End Times Prophecy.

So I taught the class for about 2 years. During my first year of studying I matured in the way I taught. Prior to this maturing I taught Bible from a "denominationally" bias point of view. I taught bible topics with the wrong intent; that is with the intent to prove myself right about what I believed(and in turn what I had been taught to believe). I was making the bible mean what I wanted it to mean, regardless of what it was actually saying. When I realized this I made a conscience decision to set aside all predispositional, ideological, and denominational bias and I prayed that The Father would open my eyes and my heart to HIS word, that I would know HIS heart and the Truth of HIS word. And regardless of how the Truth made me feel, I would no longer make the scripture match my life, but that I would make my life match the scripture. And I did. And HE did. And here I am now. When I first did this I had no knowledge of what "Messianic Judaism" or "Hebrew Roots" was. I had already made changes and it wasn't until years later that I realized others had made similar changes and had done so by the thousands. Many with similar stories to my own.

Over the past 4 years I have made dramatic changes to my life in order to match scripture and what God has commanded me to do in HIS word. I accept HIS Truth over my own falsehood. As a result I now keep the Levitical Dietary Instructions, keep the Sabbath, and Keep the Feasts,as well as all other Biblical Commandments by which I am obligated to obey. Why? Because God has commanded HIS people to do so.

In order to understand scripture as it was intended to be received we ALL must strip away the teachings and traditions of men and must accept the teachings and traditions of The Father.

When it comes to God and HIS judgement, there is light and there is darkness. There is no twilight.
There is black and there is white. There is no grey area.
There is right and there is wrong. There is no in between.
What God has declared as Truth is Truth.
What God has declared as righteous is righteous.
What God has declared clean is clean.
What God has declared an abomination is an abomination.
What God calls sin is sin.

Instead of creating a long winded detailed outline of the beliefs I am now opening up a thread to discuss the "Hebrew Roots/Messianic" doctrinal beliefs. So, ask me anything about my beliefs and I will answer honestly and with scripture, appropriately.
Redeemed2015, as you said, it is more important to ask the bible, then any person. If I study Galatians and Acts 15, then I see that Christians which come not from jewish background have not to obey the OT traditions and laws which were made for the jewish folk. If you tell something different then i must repead what Paul said in Galatians 1,6-9
I marvel that you are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that you have received, let him be accursed.



If you really have studyed the NT and OT, then i really wonder how you come to your conclusion of following judaism theologie.
 

posthuman

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More people are waking up.
Warning though: some here will try to get you banned, quickly, if you say you are Hebrew Roots.
Yeah btw welcome back mike. Almost as if you never left.

Did you come up with an answer to my question yet?
 

Dan_473

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Mar 11, 2014
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using explosives in populated areas is not mentioned in the bible... so it must be ok
True! All thing are lawful.

ROMANS 13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
 
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LaurenTM

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Interesting. And I strongly agree, we should conform our lives to Scripture, not the other way around.
More people are waking up.
Warning though: some here will try to get you banned, quickly, if you say you are Hebrew Roots.

let's see now...3 posts and you know how this site operates?

or are you a previous user who has been banned and have come back ?

no one here can work to get people banned

people are banned because of their own behavior
 
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CharlieGrown

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Yeah btw welcome back mike. Almost as if you never left.

Did you come up with an answer to my question yet?
Wow, your all in on that conspiracy theory. i like your moxy. :cool:
 

Dan_473

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Yeah btw welcome back mike. Almost as if you never left.

Did you come up with an answer to my question yet?
I didn't know disciplemike was banned. Thanks for the heads up
 

Connock

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Aug 20, 2016
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Over the past 3 years I have been in deep study and prayer over the Bible. This began when I was about 15. I had been studying the Bible for 3 years prior, following being saved. Being that the church I was attending was a Church of God I studied Church of God doctrine as well as the Baptist denominational doctrine that I had been raised in. I then was moved by the Spirit to another Church, an Assemblies of God. While there I was a member of Music Ministry as I had experience with Sound Engineering. After a few months as a member I was offered a staff position at 16.

During my 4 years of study I had become what some referred to as "a biblical scholar". Not that I ever initiated the title. However, my studies were more mature than most believers as I studied scripture constantly throughout the day since becoming a Christian. Including Bible Study, Devotion, Theology, Examining Denominational Doctrine, and reading scripture with contextual and historical accuracy. So, at 16 the Pastor approached me and said, "I've been looking to start a class teaching the Old Testament. I have been praying that God would show me who should teach it. And I just received confirmation that you should teach the class."

This seemed perfect as I loved reading and studying the Old Testament. I liked to say that I "Specialized" in the Old Testament and comparing/finding parallels between the OT and the NT. Over my years of Study I was well acquainted with Old Testament story line, characters, as well as Messianic and End Times Prophecy.

So I taught the class for about 2 years. During my first year of studying I matured in the way I taught. Prior to this maturing I taught Bible from a "denominationally" bias point of view. I taught bible topics with the wrong intent; that is with the intent to prove myself right about what I believed(and in turn what I had been taught to believe). I was making the bible mean what I wanted it to mean, regardless of what it was actually saying. When I realized this I made a conscience decision to set aside all predispositional, ideological, and denominational bias and I prayed that The Father would open my eyes and my heart to HIS word, that I would know HIS heart and the Truth of HIS word. And regardless of how the Truth made me feel, I would no longer make the scripture match my life, but that I would make my life match the scripture. And I did. And HE did. And here I am now. When I first did this I had no knowledge of what "Messianic Judaism" or "Hebrew Roots" was. I had already made changes and it wasn't until years later that I realized others had made similar changes and had done so by the thousands. Many with similar stories to my own.

Over the past 4 years I have made dramatic changes to my life in order to match scripture and what God has commanded me to do in HIS word. I accept HIS Truth over my own falsehood. As a result I now keep the Levitical Dietary Instructions, keep the Sabbath, and Keep the Feasts,as well as all other Biblical Commandments by which I am obligated to obey. Why? Because God has commanded HIS people to do so.

In order to understand scripture as it was intended to be received we ALL must strip away the teachings and traditions of men and must accept the teachings and traditions of The Father.

When it comes to God and HIS judgement, there is light and there is darkness. There is no twilight.
There is black and there is white. There is no grey area.
There is right and there is wrong. There is no in between.
What God has declared as Truth is Truth.
What God has declared as righteous is righteous.
What God has declared clean is clean.
What God has declared an abomination is an abomination.
What God calls sin is sin.

Instead of creating a long winded detailed outline of the beliefs I am now opening up a thread to discuss the "Hebrew Roots/Messianic" doctrinal beliefs. So, ask me anything about my beliefs and I will answer honestly and with scripture, appropriately.

Thank you R15 for your introduction and good-faith invitation to dialogue. I hope assuming good faith can become more evident here on CC. I do have a question.

Q: historically speaking, at what point in time did followers of Jesus fall under Mosaic Law?

thank you in advance.
 
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LaurenTM

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why the problems with good faith? LOL! I am starting to think that good faith is in the eye of the beholder and that on opposing teams

didn't you state this Connock?

God is very picky about observing appointed times (Mo'ed'im). Dismiss this at your peril.
Why do you perceive God as VERY picky and call appointed tme Mo'ed'im?

are you also a Jewish Roots follower?

I am curious to know, because it seems you guys are tiptoeing all over CHRISTIAN forums these days and telling us we are pagans

so, are you one also?
 
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for me and my house, we will follow God's 10 Commandments, we have learned long ago
to obey them in order to no longer suffer the consequences that always come from
disobedience...yes we were hard-headed and prideful and suffered for many years
as a result of our dis-obedience...
 
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1LonelyKnight

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Redeemed2015: Instead of creating a long winded detailed outline of the beliefs I am now opening up a thread to discuss the "Hebrew Roots/Messianic" doctrinal beliefs. So, ask me anything about my beliefs and I will answer honestly and with scripture, appropriately.
OK, how about that discussion and those answers ...
 

tanakh

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I didn't know disciplemike was banned. Thanks for the heads up
One down several more to go including this charactor who could be disciple mike or even the infamous Jack
 
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Karraster

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Hi, welcome to CC. Thanks for your testimony, was a pleasure to read. I'm continually looking to learn and let the Word renew me, tossing out error and wrong actions as the Almighty gives His grace. Who is the prophet Moses is speaking of in the verses below? Thanks in advance.:)

4"For those nations, which you shall dispossess, listen to those who practice witchcraft and to diviners, but as for you, the LORD your God has not allowed you to do so. 15"The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your countrymen, you shall listen to him. 16"This is according to all that you asked of the LORD your God in Horeb on the day of the assembly, saying, 'Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, let me not see this great fire anymore, or I will die.'…
 
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LaurenTM

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4"For those nations, which you shall dispossess, listen to those who practice witchcraft and to diviners, but as for you, the LORD your God has not allowed you to do so. 15"The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your countrymen, you shall listen to him. 16"This is according to all that you asked of the LORD your God in Horeb on the day of the assembly, saying, 'Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, let me not see this great fire anymore, or I will die.'…

God’s Final Word: His Son

1In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

The Son Superior to Angels

5For to which of the angels did God ever say,“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father”[SUP]a[/SUP] ?

Or again,“I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son”[SUP]b[/SUP] ?

6And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,“Let all God’s angels worship him.”[SUP]c[/SUP]

7In speaking of the angels he says,“He makes his angels spirits,
and his servants flames of fire.”[SUP]d[/SUP]

8But about the Son he says,“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”[SUP]e[/SUP]

10He also says,“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
11They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
12You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed.
But you remain the same,
and your years will never end.”[SUP]f[/SUP]

13To which of the angels did God ever say,“Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet”[SUP]g[/SUP] ?

14Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?

HEBREWS 1
 
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