WHAT DO YOU DAILY ACKNOWLEDGE IN YOU, SIN OR CHRIST?

[heavenly_bound]

​Acknowledging Christ in You

Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Colossians 1:25


Our lord Jesus Christ carried away from this world thoughts unuttered. In the upper room discourse in John 16:12, He told His disciples there were many things He had to say to them, but they could not cannot bear them then. These were the matters of His crucifixion, death, burial, quickening, raising and seating. The disciples saw the death of Christ as His own death. When He was later resurrected, after several appearances, they understood Him to be bodily resurrected from the death but they saw the resurrection as His own resurrection.
Un-announced, un-anticipated, Jesus appears to a man called Saul of Tarsus. He apprehends him for His eternal purposes and reveals to him things which were not clearly understood. God appointed Paul as the apostle to administrate an understanding to the Church; to fulfil the word of God.

The Understanding given to Paul
“Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.” Colossians 1:26 - 27

The term "mystery" is the Greek word "musterion" which refers to that which God has deliberately kept to be revealed at a time of His own choosing. God had a plan from the foundation of the world that He would complete the creature called man by placing His Son in them. He kept this concealed within the Godhead but now, He said, is the time that it should be made known and made manifest to the saints. This knowledge shows us what is the content of the Christian experience.

The riches of God's glory is found in this mystery which is now revealed. God planned before the world began to include you into His shared Life by placing His Son, Christ, in you and therein are the riches of His glory. The term 'glory' is from the Greek word 'doxa' which means an accurate view and opinion. It takes Christ to indwell and live in you for the true measure of God's opinion about you to be known, which is: Christ in you, the hope of Glory.
When we speak of Christ in you, we are saying that the Son of God, Jesus Christ, actually lives within you, in an inseparable union. The Lord joins you to Himself making you one Spirit with Him. You are saved in the Son. Christ shares His relationship with His Father, His authority and His righteousness with you. God's top secret is now declassified; His Son has come to live inside of you sharing in common what was His, by exclusive right. Every human being has a sense of being incomplete. Attempting to complete yourself by religious works will only lead to disappointment because God completes you by placing His Son, Christ, in you.
That the communication of thy faith may become effectual by the acknowledging of every good thing which is in you in Christ Jesus. Philemon 1:6

The term “communication” means the receiving of what God has given. It emphasizes something shared in common. Christ Jesus is in you with every good thing. It is Him that you are to recognize. Effectual faith is the faith which acknowledges every good thing, every advantageous thing, every benefit which is in you in Christ Jesus. You will always face circumstances and situations but that is not what you are to acknowledge. You are to acknowledge every good thing which is in you because it is in Christ.
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[Grace777x70]

I agree with this message 100%. The church has been tricked into looking at the natural realm to see what is true. Christ in us is what is true and all that He has already done for us.

The church has been religiously taught to be sin-conscious when we should be Son-conscious. Beholding the glory of Christ and His work allows the Holy Spirit to transform us outwardly to reflect who we truly are in Christ now in our new creation. 2 Cor. 3:17-18

It is not in the "beholding of sin" but of Christ Himself and what His work has done in the believer that brings real transformation to us.

 

[miknik5]

I ask daily for HIS "BREAD"
For the evil of the day is sufficient

But HIS "GRACE" is all the more sufficient

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Paul says in Romans 6:21, "What fruit had you then in those things whereof you are now ashamed? (This means that absolutely nothing of any value can come out of the sinful experience. It is impossible for there to be any good fruit. for the end of those things is death" (if the Believer refuses to look to the Cross, but rather looks to something else regarding his Sanctification, domination by the sin nature is going to be the result, and spiritual death will be the conclusion; the Cross is the only answer for sin!).

- The Expositor's Study Bible Jimmy Swaggart Ministries

 

[Grace777x70]

Paul says in Romans 6:21, "What fruit had you then in those things whereof you are now ashamed? (This means that absolutely nothing of any value can come out of the sinful experience. It is impossible for there to be any good fruit. for the end of those things is death" (if the Believer refuses to look to the Cross, but rather looks to something else regarding his Sanctification, domination by the sin nature is going to be the result, and spiritual death will be the conclusion; the Cross is the only answer for sin!).

- The Expositor's Study Bible Jimmy Swaggart Ministries

I agree with looking to what Christ has done for us. It is impossible for a believer in Christ to experience spiritual death as Jesus said He who believes in Me will never die/perish. John 11:26 and John 3:16

Unfortunately it is Jimmy Swaggart's Pentecostal religion that is influencing his "application" of Romans 6:21 - to say that it is "spiritual death".

If someone takes up shooting heroin in their arms today - they will bring death to themselves in this world way before their time.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

I agree with looking to what Christ has done for us. It is impossible for a believer in Christ to experience spiritual death as Jesus said He who believes in Me will never die/perish. John 11:26 and John 3:16

Unfortunately it is Jimmy Swaggart's Pentecostal religion that is influencing his "application" of Romans 6:21 - to say that it is "spiritual death".

If someone takes up shooting heroin in their arms today - they will bring death to themselves in this world way before their time.

Paul says, "But now (since coming to Christ) being made free from sin (set free from the sin nature), and become servants (slaves) to God (but this yoke is a light yoke [Matthew 11:28-30]), you have your fruit unto Holiness (which the Holy Spirit will bring about, proving the Cross is ever the Object of our Faith), and the end Everlasting Life (so the Believer has the choice of "death," which is the end result of trusting something other than Christ and the Cross, or "Everlasting Life," which is the result of trusting Christ and the Cross).

For the wages of sin is death (speaks of spiritual death, which is separation from God); but the gift of God is Eternal Life through Jesus Christ our Lord (as stated, all of this, without exception, comes to us by the means of what Christ did at the Cross, which demands the Cross ever be the Object of our Faith, thus giving the Holy Spirit latitude to work within our lives and bring forth His Fruit). Romans 6:22-23

- The Expositor's Study Bible Jimmy Swaggart Ministries

 

[Grace777x70]

Paul says, "But now (since coming to Christ) being made free from sin (set free from the sin nature), and become servants (slaves) to God (but this yoke is a light yoke [Matthew 11:28-30]), you have your fruit unto Holiness (which the Holy Spirit will bring about, proving the Cross is ever the Object of our Faith),and the end Everlasting Life (so the Believer has the choice of "death," which is the end result of trusting something other than Christ and the Cross, or "Everlasting Life," which is the result of trusting Christ and the Cross).

For the wages of sin is death (speaks of spiritual death, which is separation from God); but the gift of God is Eternal Life through Jesus Christ our Lord (as stated, all of this, without exception, comes to us by the means of what Christ did at the Cross, which demands the Cross ever be the Object of our Faith, thus giving the Holy Spirit latitude to work within our lives and bring forth His Fruit). Romans 6:22-23

- The Expositor's Study Bible Jimmy Swaggart Ministries

As I said...it is Jimmy's Pentecostal religion that gives him his "application" of that scripture and he is entitled to believe what he wants.

I believe the believer in Christ is secure in the new creation. I also believe that the deeds done in our body will bring death to us pre-maturely in this earth.

The belief that a Christian loses salvation makes Jesus, Paul and John out to be liars. I don't think they are liars. I believe they told us the truth.

People see verses about salvation and only think in terms of "going to heaven" but salvation means wholeness, preservation, healing, peace..etc. and there is a lot of "salvation" we can leave on the table here in this earth by what we think and do but it does not negate the truth of the new creation in Christ.

Take "peace" for an example. Jesus said that He leaves us His peace. If we don't learn to cast our cares over to Him in this life - then we will not experience this "salvation peace" and will die without this peace being manifested in us.

Does this mean we lose salvation as far as going to be with Him for eternity...of course NOT - He is the one who makes us righteous and holy.

We really need to understand the new man in Christ - the new creation which ahs been created in righteousness and holiness in order to grow up in the Lord.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

As I said...it is Jimmy's Pentecostal religion that gives him his "application" of that scripture and he is entitled to believe what he wants.

I believe the believer in Christ is secure in the new creation. I also believe that the deeds done in our body will bring death to us pre-maturely in this earth.

The belief that a Christian loses salvation makes Jesus, Paul and John out to be liars. I don't think they are liars. I believe they told us the truth.

People see verses about salvation and only think in terms of "going to heaven" but salvation means wholeness, preservation, healing, peace..etc. and there is a lot of "salvation" we can leave on the table here in this earth by what we think and do but it does not negate the truth of the new creation in Christ.

Take "peace" for an example. Jesus said that He leaves us His peace. If we don't learn to cast our cares over to Him in this life - then we will not experience this "salvation peace" and will die without this peace being manifested in us.

Does this mean we lose salvation as far as going to be with Him for eternity...of course NOT - He is the one who makes us righteous and holy.

We really need to understand the new man in Christ - the new creation which ahs been created in righteousness and holiness in order to grow up in the Lord.

You have Calvinistic OSAS doctrine views.

Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV means you can't sin your salvation away, however you can renounce it. You can reject your faith. God had made it so difficult to do unless you meet the five qualifications mentioned in this scripture as a mature Christian and ignorance does not count. So it is possible but God has made it extremely difficult.

The Lord’s Grace to Paul

I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has given me strength, that he considered me trustworthy, appointing me to his service. Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief. The grace of our Lord was poured out on me abundantly, along with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus." 1 Timothy 1:12-14

Judas was baptizes. Judas baptizes others., Judas was anointed. Judas was empowered. Judas cast out Devils. Judas healed the sick. Judas preached the gospel. Was Judas saved? Or did He go to hell?

24And they prayed and said, "You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two You have chosen 25to occupy this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place." Acts 1:24-25 NASB

Warnings Against Denying the Son
18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us... 1 John 2:18-27 NIV

 

[Grace777x70]

You have Calvinistic OSAS doctrine views.

Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV means you can't sin your salvation away, however you can renounce it. You can reject your faith. God had made it so difficult to do unless you meet the five qualifications mentioned in this scripture as a mature Christian and ignorance does not count. So it is possible but God has made it extremely difficult.

The Lord’s Grace to Paul

I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has given me strength, that he considered me trustworthy, appointing me to his service. Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief. The grace of our Lord was poured out on me abundantly, along with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus." 1 Timothy 1:12-14

Judas was baptizes. Judas baptizes others., Judas was anointed. Judas was empowered. Judas cast out Devils. Judas healed the sick. Judas preached the gospel. Was Judas saved? Or did He go to hell?

24And they prayed and said, "You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two You have chosen 25to occupy this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place." Acts 1:24-25 NASB

Warnings Against Denying the Son
18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us... 1 John 2:18-27 NIV

nonsense!....Judas was not born-again. Jesus had to have died on the cross, and be resurrection from the dead before he could be born-again. I realize the truths of the security of the believer is against the Pentecostal religion.

A far as Hebrews 6 and the believer goes. or anyone that is interested in that - there is a whole thread that talks about t and it is NOT saying that believers lose their salvation like the Pentecostal religion believes. But in that thread - both views are given and people can make up their own mind.

Click on the link below if interested.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/138679-hebrews-6-4-6-not-seems.html

 

[Grace777x70]

There is a way to lose your salvation ( as if it is "your
doing" that obtained it for you ).....but you have to be able to use a lot of imagination and have a very low opinion of our Lord's sacrifice and the integrity of our Father.

John 10:27-29 (NASB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;

[SUP]28 [/SUP] and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.

[SUP]29 [/SUP] "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.


You have to be NOT a "no one"...so no one means everything one else but you in order for this to work.....

All's you do is wrestle yourself out of Jesus' hand...then once you have Him beat..then you are ready to take on the Father. ( He's a little tougher but you will have experience now on how to pluck yourself out of His hand )

In order to scare Jesus and the Father first you must...I repeat MUST intimidate Them with your mighty power by verbally accusing Them....you can tell them that they lied when He said " I will never leave nor forsake you"

Then because you are in Christ...He is going to have to stop being a High Priest for you..( again God lied when He said He is a priest forever...Heb. 7:21 )

His blood which He spilled for all sins that has been taken away...that has to stop too being efficacious ....Jesus has to stop being the Lamb of God.

Even in the Old Covenant the priest looked at the lamb for blemishes..not the guy who brought the sacrifice.. the Father looks at Jesus....He is our Lamb! He is spotless and blameless.

We are new creations in Christ. Born from above.

To be unborn ...This is like saying..ok..I do not want to be a human now...see..it just doesn't make sense...how does one "un-born" themselves in the Lord. Peter says we are born again of incorruptible seed - the word of God.

.."...as He is..so also are we in this world.."

It's all really ridiculous...our salvation is not based on us...it is based on Jesus and His finished work!...He is faithful and grace much more abounds around sin.

It's just plain "spiritual ignorance that has gone to seed " to think of His perfect work and that somehow it revolves around us and what we do.

John 10:28 (NASB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] and I "give" eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.

Romans 5:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the "gift" of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.

Romans 11:29 (KJV)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

We cannot lose salvation because it is not based on us. People may say strange things if they are sick in their minds but their spirit ( the inner man in Christ ) is safe with the Lord as it has been created in righteousness and holiness.

( Somehow some obscure passages of scripture that people take without looking at it in context nullifies all the vast proof of scriptures that speak otherwise of the integrity of God and His completed work....is it possible we have those scriptures interpreted wrong because we look through the wrong "lens"?...of course.. )

 

[heavenly_bound]

Paul says, "But now (since coming to Christ) being made free from sin (set free from the sin nature), and become servants (slaves) to God (but this yoke is a light yoke [Matthew 11:28-30]), you have your fruit unto Holiness (which the Holy Spirit will bring about, proving the Cross is ever the Object of our Faith),and the end Everlasting Life (so the Believer has the choice of "death," which is the end result of trusting something other than Christ and the Cross, or "Everlasting Life," which is the result of trusting Christ and the Cross).

For the wages of sin is death (speaks of spiritual death, which is separation from God); but the gift of God is Eternal Life through Jesus Christ our Lord (as stated, all of this, without exception, comes to us by the means of what Christ did at the Cross, which demands the Cross ever be the Object of our Faith, thus giving the Holy Spirit latitude to work within our lives and bring forth His Fruit). Romans 6:22-23

- The Expositor's Study Bible Jimmy Swaggart Ministries

Paul is not talking of spiritual death in this passage,. pls look closely at what he is talking about(the context). A believer cannot die spiritually bc the believer spirit is joined to the Lord's. (1 cor 6:17)

 

[eph610]

As I said...it is Jimmy's Pentecostal religion that gives him his "application" of that scripture and he is entitled to believe what he wants.

I believe the believer in Christ is secure in the new creation. I also believe that the deeds done in our body will bring death to us pre-maturely in this earth.

The belief that a Christian loses salvation makes Jesus, Paul and John out to be liars. I don't think they are liars. I believe they told us the truth.

People see verses about salvation and only think in terms of "going to heaven" but salvation means wholeness, preservation, healing, peace..etc. and there is a lot of "salvation" we can leave on the table here in this earth by what we think and do but it does not negate the truth of the new creation in Christ.

Take "peace" for an example. Jesus said that He leaves us His peace. If we don't learn to cast our cares over to Him in this life - then we will not experience this "salvation peace" and will die without this peace being manifested in us.

Does this mean we lose salvation as far as going to be with Him for eternity...of course NOT - He is the one who makes us righteous and holy.

We really need to understand the new man in Christ - the new creation which ahs been created in righteousness and holiness in order to grow up in the Lord.

Swaggert believes that Romans 6 is the Baptism of the cross and then says Romans 7 was Paul wrestling with the Cross of SIN his entire life and then Romans 8 is only there to help if we continue walking in the Spirit and not the flesh...Swaggert believes as many Pentecostal Assembly of God brethern do that Romans 8 is proof that Salvation is conditional and you can lose it.

How convenient for Swaggert to preach a Gospel that makes excuses for his years of committing fornication with prostitutes.

The chief complaint, not attack I have agaisnt Swaggert is that he never takes Jesus off the cross and has even said the resurrection means nothing in light of the Cross. I have heard him, his wife, his son, his grandson and all his pastors say that that preaching Jesus is currently sitting at the right hand is heresy, because it was finished for him, but until we complete our personal crucifixion on the Cross, Jesus work will not be complete.....

A friend of mine called into his show, Francis and friends and asked him if her and Jimmy himself, understood that Jesus had to be born again and never lost his salvation, so why do they preach we can...he was hung up on and he continued watching the show and Jimmy, Francis, Loren Larson, Donnie, Gabriel and Jim Nations all ripped apart on air and said Jesus never had top be born again, because he was the Christ....needless to say swaggert is contradictory in his religion and false in his theology and shameless and cowardly in his refusal to ever be restored from his sexual sins...

 

[heavenly_bound]

You have Calvinistic OSAS doctrine views.

Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV means you can't sin your salvation away, however you can renounce it. You can reject your faith. God had made it so difficult to do unless you meet the five qualifications mentioned in this scripture as a mature Christian and ignorance does not count. So it is possible but God has made it extremely difficult.

The Lord’s Grace to Paul

I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has given me strength, that he considered me trustworthy, appointing me to his service. Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief. The grace of our Lord was poured out on me abundantly, along with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus." 1 Timothy 1:12-14

Judas was baptizes. Judas baptizes others., Judas was anointed. Judas was empowered. Judas cast out Devils. Judas healed the sick. Judas preached the gospel. Was Judas saved? Or did He go to hell?

24And they prayed and said, "You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two You have chosen 25to occupy this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place." Acts 1:24-25 NASB

Warnings Against Denying the Son
18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us... 1 John 2:18-27 NIV

You are just saying the exact opposite of the gospel. God has made salvation so easy and free that no one will have an excuse for denying the person and work of the Son.

Salvation is so free but its certainly not cheap. In fact it cost God everything to save man without man's contribution whatsoever!!
Man part in salvation is to simply partake of the finished work with reverend awe and a heart overwhelming with joy!!

 

[Stephen63]

Paul is not talking of spiritual death in this passage,. pls look closely at what he is talking about(the context). A believer cannot die spiritually bc the believer spirit is joined to the Lord's. (1 cor 6:17)

Read your commentaries. That's exactly what Paul is talking about!

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Paul is not talking of spiritual death in this passage,. pls look closely at what he is talking about(the context). A believer cannot die spiritually bc the believer spirit is joined to the Lord's. (1 cor 6:17)

Please explain or any one who believes the OSAS doctrine; The Parable of the Ten Virgins.

 

[notuptome]

Read your commentaries. That's exactly what Paul is talking about!

You can have only one master. How you walk is a reflection of who is you master.

Too many today have a shell of religiousness but lack an inner fervor for the Lord. They have not passion for the Lord and His holiness and purity.

The multitudes say they know Jesus but does Jesus know them? It requires more, much more than a simple head knowledge of Christ to be truly regenerated as in born again by the power of God through the Holy Spirit.

Those who really have it know they cannot lose it nor can it be taken from them.

Commentaries aside the word of God teaches eternal security of the believer and warns that tares are not wheat.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

Please explain or any one who believes the OSAS doctrine; The Parable of the Ten Virgins.

Contrast of Israel with the church.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

I see many do not understand what the sin of spiritual adultery means. How it leads a Christian to falling from grace and walking in the vanity of their minds. Cut off!

 

[Blain]

I think the question of the title of the thread is a very very good question to ask ourselves. sadly I am far more aware of my sins and my flaws and weakness than I care to admit I don't have that kind of thinking when I look at others but when I look at myself.....

I am always asking god to help me stop seeing myself in that light and I think a lot of Christians know my struggle. How easy it is to see others through Christs eyes but when it comes to seeing ourselves we tend to only see the darkness the sin the weakness we put ourselves in chains that Jesus already freed us from. How can I expect people believe what I see in them and who I know God says they are when I myself don't believe my own words when I look at myself?

 

[eph610]

I see many do not understand what the sin of spiritual adultery means. How it leads a Christian to falling from grace and walking in the vanity of their minds. Cut off!

Hey speaking of Jimmy did he get saved again after being cut off with physical & spiritual adultery?

How many times did Jimmy get re-saved? How does his past qualify him to teach and preach what he does?