Word Of Faith: A Damnable Doctrine

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HisHolly

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How will you separate God from His word?

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

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Roger
Easy.. people do it when they make it one dimensional
 
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HisHolly

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To say that life in God's wisdom is confined to the words written down, is ignorance. The same way the Pharisees treated Jesus' coming.. They didn't recognize Him bc what they took in their wisdom scriptures to mean..
 

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Although it's true that God will provide for us, it is also true that if you have the intention of being rich, that God says you will not go unpunished. So how do you recognize this intention in yourself or others? They will put money before God and loved ones. He who loves money will never have money enough. I heard a man who has ten million dollars say that it's not enough and he can't live on that, when most people won't even make one million in their lifetime.

But it is not wrong to have money. How can one be generous if they have nothing to be generous with? I seen a millionaire doctor live in a humble cottage. He is very generous and kind to others. He could live in a mansion, but the fact that he don't shows that he is poor in spirit even though he's not poor in his bank account.
 
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Tim the first , chapter6:17-19.. if you goal is personal gain only then where is your love?
Is it wrong to want healing? No.. then why can one not ask for the blessing in Deut 28? It's all promises.. does He say a thing and not do it? If you don't believe Him, what will you attribute to Him?
 

miknik5

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1John5


HE told us that in this world we would have trouble
HE told us to ask daily for HIS BREAD...that the evil of the day is sufficient but that HIS GRACE is all the more sufficient.

My fsithbis in HIM...in all seasons
 
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HisHolly

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So does He give you what you need daily? If we follow your strict outline as tho He meant all for everything and time.. He should wake you with all you need for that day, sitting beside you.. or do have food left in your cupboards and clothes in drawers, money in pockets or banks?
 
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HisHolly

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Bread for the day is word to defeat the evil attack that day..
 
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eternally-gratefull

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So does He give you what you need daily? If we follow your strict outline as tho He meant all for everything and time.. He should wake you with all you need for that day, sitting beside you.. or do have food left in your cupboards and clothes in drawers, money in pockets or banks?
Yes he does.

Sometimes he gives me the ability to be content, and praise him even though I am sick in bed, and broke,, Knowing I am blessed wiht his unfathomable riches in Christ.


It owuld be a pity to think that if I am not overflowing with money and "things" and have a sickness, that I thought Jesus did not love me anymore. and could not take care of me as I am.
 
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HisHolly

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Yes he does.

Sometimes he gives me the ability to be content, and praise him even though I am sick in bed, and broke,, Knowing I am blessed wiht his unfathomable riches in Christ.


It owuld be a pity to think that if I am not overflowing with money and "things" and have a sickness, that I thought Jesus did not love me anymore. and could not take care of me as I am.
Not disagreeing with that..
But I serve a God of covenant. The blessing of Ab, I am allowed to partake of..
 
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Teachings

The Word of Faith movement has many distinctive teachings including physical, emotional, financial, relational, and spiritual healing or prosperity for any who has the right belief-filled confession.[SUP][1][/SUP] The movement emphasizes choosing to speak the promises and provisions that the speaker wants, that is in agreement with the Bible, as an act of faith and agreement with God's plans and purposes. They believe this is what Jesus meant in Mark 11:22–23[SUP][bible 1][/SUP], when he said believers shall have whatsoever they say and pray with faith. The term word of faith itself is derived from the biblical passage Romans 10:8[SUP][bible 2][/SUP] which speaks of the word of faith that we preach.[SUP][2]

-Wikipedia

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PennEd

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I agree that our faith can grow and mature as we keep our eyes on Christ Himself and not ourselves or the situations we are in.

I also believe in the parable of the mustard seed somewhat differently then the traditional view.

I view the mustard plant had faith in what it was even though it was the smallest of seeds. The mustard seed had the life already in it to become what it already is. It didn't look at the other plants but just "was being itself" and it grew to be what it already had within it. - a big plant.

I can see the truth of this can be applied to us in Christ. As we see who we are in Christ and that it is His life in us and He gives us His desires as we delight in Him - then we too will grow up to be who we already are in Him.

Anyway....that's my take on the mustard seed thing and I do believe we can grow in our faith - ( trust) in what God has done for us in Christ. I don't believe we have to produce it ourselves or drum it up in some fashion but it comes as we hear the message of Christ.

Romans 10:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ
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Really like this take on this passage. Thanks Bruce.
 
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HisHolly

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Teachings

The Word of Faith movement has many distinctive teachings including physical, emotional, financial, relational, and spiritual healing or prosperity for any who has the right belief-filled confession.[SUP][1][/SUP] The movement emphasizes choosing to speak the promises and provisions that the speaker wants, that is in agreement with the Bible, as an act of faith and agreement with God's plans and purposes. They believe this is what Jesus meant in Mark 11:22–23[SUP][bible 1][/SUP], when he said believers shall have whatsoever they say and pray with faith. The term word of faith itself is derived from the biblical passage Romans 10:8[SUP][bible 2][/SUP] which speaks of the word of faith that we preach.[SUP][2]

-Wikipedia

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Ok so in Job 22, when God says "when you decree a thing it will be established for you" did he give limit?
 
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I agree that we have been blessed in Christ with all things - not to spend it on our own lusts but to be a blessing to others. This is how the kingdom of God within us functions.

The real question is - can we be trusted with money which is the very least of all blessings in this world?

Money and riches in and of itself are not evil. Heaven is full of the riches of God in tangible form - of which Christ Himself is the ultimate true riches.

God is not opposed to His children having
"things or money" - He is opposed to "things and money" having His children.

What we do with money will reveal where our trust really is. One can be poor and we are still relying on "things" for life and living and one can be wealthy in this world's stuff and be relying on these things too.

God has already blessed us in Christ but just as we don't give our car keys to a 6 year old kid to drive - God needs for us to grow up in Christ before we too get to partake of these blessings so that they are used for what the purpose of them is intended to be in the first place.
 
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[h=3]Faith[edit][/h]The Word of Faith teaches that those who have been freed by Christ's sacrifice are freed from the law and live in the Spirit. Matthew 11:25-30 Galatians 5:1 Mark 11:12-25 (Parable of the Fig Tree concerning the importance of Faith in Christianity).
It teaches that worldly wisdom is not conducive to spiritual understanding but instead is an obstacle. It encourages a call to spiritual maturity to be likened to a child in understanding. Romans 12:2 (Renewal of the Mind) Colossians 2 (Do not be disqualified by the world) Hebrews 6:1-2 (A Call to Maturity) 1 Corinthians 3 (The Church and its Leaders) Galatians 3 (enslavement to the law is a curse) Romans 7:1-6 (A call to live in the Spirit) Matthew 18:1-6 (The Greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven)
The Word of Faith teaches that there are things to be learned that cannot be learned from the sensuous or carnal mind of the world, but only by the Spirit. 1 Corinthians 2:6-16
Through Faith in Christ, it teaches that anything is possible Matthew 17:14-20 (Faith the size of a mustard seed) and that everyone who believes in Christ is capable of all these things without favoritism by works alone. Matthew 20:1-16 (Parable of the Workers). The Faith of a Roman Officer is another illustration found in Matthew 8:5-18. It teaches that works may be conducive to spiritual growth if there is sincere love according to Matthew 25:14-30 (the Parable of the Talents), the synonymous passage Luke 19:11-27 (the Parable of the Minas), 1 Corinthians 13 (concerning the importance of Love). Matthew 22:36-40 (the Two greatest commandments which are in perfect harmony if we look at how Jesus reinstates Simon Peter John 21:15-19).
It teaches that the authority of Christ was given to those in Christ according to Matthew 16:13-20 (Keys to the Kingdom) and Matthew 6:5-14 (The Lord's Prayer).
Word of Faith is founded on a personal Walk of Faith in a personal relationship with Jesus and guided by Gods Word and Spirit. It is considered unorthodox and heretical by many denominations that feel it may contradict the authority that has been respectively established. It does not appear to be an invitation for complete lawlessness because of the danger of apostasy from seeking worldly things rather than faith in promises made by God. (Matthew 7:15-23 1 John 4:6 2 Peter 2 Jude 1 1 Corinthians 5 Hebrews 11-13)
 
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HisHolly

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I agree that we have been blessed in Christ with all things - not to spend it on our own lusts but to be a blessing to others. This is how the kingdom of God within us functions.

The real question is - can we be trusted with money which is the very least of all blessings in this world?

Money and riches in and of itself are not evil. Heaven is full of the riches of God in tangible form - of which Christ Himself is the ultimate true riches.

God is not opposed to His children having
"things or money" - He is opposed to "things and money" having His children.

What we do with money will reveal where our trust really is. One can be poor and we are still relying on "things" for life and living and one can be wealthy in this world's stuff and be relying on these things too.

God has already blessed us in Christ but just as we don't give our car keys to a 6 year old kid to drive - God needs for us to grow up in Christ before we too get to partake of these blessings so that they are used for what the purpose of them is intended to be in the first place.
This was my very point and why I brought up 1 Tim 6:17-19..
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Not disagreeing with that..
But I serve a God of covenant. The blessing of Ab, I am allowed to partake of..

I agree, and would say so am I.

But that does not assure you will be well off financially, or get healed every time you come down with a disease.
 
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My problem with WOF is those who believe it are taught christians should be prosperous, healthy, & wise.

But.....the majority of those who give to the televangelists that preach it are poor, sick, & ignorant.
 
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HisHolly

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#38

I agree, and would say so am I.

But that does not assure you will be well off financially, or get healed every time you come down with a disease.
I beg to differ.. waive in faith is unfortunate, but Gpd doesn't lie.. if I didn't get all the covenant says I can have, then He's a liar.. Since He's not, the problem lies with individuals
 
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HisHolly

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#39
My problem with WOF is those who believe it are taught christians should be prosperous, healthy, & wise.

But.....the majority of those who give to the televangelists that preach it are poor, sick, & ignorant.
You can teach, preach, but you can't make them believe. Nor can make them go thru the years of old and get the full teaching to give a foundation in full
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I beg to differ.. waive in faith is unfortunate, but Gpd doesn't lie.. if I didn't get all the covenant says I can have, then He's a liar.. Since He's not, the problem lies with individuals

sorry, God never promised you wealth and health, If this was so. all his children would be spoiled rich kids, and none of them would ever die.

You have sadly bought into a false pretense That God promised you things he never did.