How do we Know When a Person who Claims to be Born-Again was Never Born-Again?

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I really no interest in chiming in these conversations but seriously...

For no one can ever be made right with God by doing what the law commands. The law simply shows us how sinful we are.
Romans 3:20 NLT
God gives us the grace to live a holy life.
 

Grandpa

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We can tell a person probably wasn't born again when they place more importance on their work at commandments than the Work that is already accomplished and being accomplished by the Lord Jesus Christ.

Galatians 3:2-3
[FONT=&quot]2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?


If you were born again you will understand what this means.

If not, then it is vailed to you. You can't understand.

James 3:17-18
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[FONT=&quot]17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.[/FONT]
 

Grandpa

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If you've been born again you know it wasn't you that did it. So who was it?

If you've been saved you know it wasn't you that did it. So who was it?

If you've been given wisdom and understanding you know it wasn't you that did it. So who was it?


If you know the answer to those questions then you will point to the One who does the work. You will see His Work as much greater than your own.

Isn't the Lord Great?
 
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We can tell a person probably wasn't born again when they place more importance on their work at commandments than the Work that is already accomplished and being accomplished by the Lord Jesus Christ.

Galatians 3:2-3
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?


If you were born again you will understand what this means.

If not, then it is vailed to you. You can't understand.

James 3:17-18

17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
We have to cooperate with Christ in order to gain eternal life. Keeping God's commandments' is part of sharing in the life of Christ. Jesus died on the cross to open up the gates us heaven for those of us who choose to imitate Christ by living a holy life. God gives you the grace to live a holy life; you have to want to get to heaven.
 
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If you've been born again you know it wasn't you that did it. So who was it?

If you've been saved you know it wasn't you that did it. So who was it?

If you've been given wisdom and understanding you know it wasn't you that did it. So who was it?


If you know the answer to those questions then you will point to the One who does the work. You will see His Work as much greater than your own.

Isn't the Lord Great?
God gives us the grace to live a holy life. God gets all the glory.
 

valiant

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We have to cooperate with Christ in order to gain eternal life. Keeping God's commandments' is part of sharing in the life of Christ. Jesus died on the cross to open up the gates us heaven for those of us who choose to imitate Christ by living a holy life. God gives you the grace to live a holy life; you have to want to get to heaven.
Eternal life is a free gift (Rom 6.23). We are justified (imputed as righteous) freely (without cost) by grace (not works) through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus (Rom 3.24), and thereby we receive eternal life. We are born of the Spirit once for all.

But of whom is this true?. All who truly believe on the Lord Jesus Christ as the crucified and risen Saviour (John 3.16; Rom 10.9), recognising that His shed blood, and that alone alone can save them. They do so by genuinely committing their lives to Him for Him to save them. This belief must not be with the head only but with the heart. The consequence will be a life changed by God. (Eph 2.8-10)
 

notuptome

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Scripture teaches that it is impossible to be saved more than one time.

Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

It is not important that we know if another is genuine in their profession only that we know our profession is genuine.

Ro 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Others born of the same Holy Spirit will have fellowship with one another in Christ. Those who are false professors will show themselves to be false by their own testimony.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Eternal life is a free gift (Rom 6.23). We are justified (imputed as righteous) freely (without cost) by grace (not works) through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus (Rom 3.24), and thereby we receive eternal life. We are born of the Spirit once for all.

But of whom is this true?. All who truly believe on the Lord Jesus Christ as the crucified and risen Saviour (John 3.16; Rom 10.9), recognising that His shed blood, and that alone alone can save them. They do so by genuinely committing their lives to Him for Him to save them. This belief must not be with the head only but with the heart. The consequence will be a life changed by God. (Eph 2.8-10)
God gives us the grace to live a holy life. You are refusing to live a holy life.
 
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Scripture teaches that it is impossible to be saved more than one time.

Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

It is not important that we know if another is genuine in their profession only that we know our profession is genuine.

Ro 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Others born of the same Holy Spirit will have fellowship with one another in Christ. Those who are false professors will show themselves to be false by their own testimony.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
There is no salvation in this life. If we did not live a holy life we are not saved after the body dies.
 

notuptome

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God gives us the grace to live a holy life. You are refusing to live a holy life.
If one were to argue one would say that you have placed your self righteousness above the perfect eternal righteousness of Christ.

You are making your merits of superior value to the work of Christ on the cross and through the Holy Spirit.

In essence you answer your own question.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

notuptome

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There is no salvation in this life. If we did not live a holy life we are not saved after the body dies.
Patently false doctrine.

You fail to demonstrate the presence of the Holy Spirit.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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If one were to argue one would say that you have placed your self righteousness above the perfect eternal righteousness of Christ.

You are making your merits of superior value to the work of Christ on the cross and through the Holy Spirit.

In essence you answer your own question.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
God gives us the grace to live a holy life. God gets all the glory.
 
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Patently false doctrine.

You fail to demonstrate the presence of the Holy Spirit.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
The Holy Spirit guides us towards salvation. We are only saved in the next life if we live a holy life in this life. It is all so simple.
 

notuptome

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The Holy Spirit guides us towards salvation. We are only saved in the next life if we live a holy life in this life. It is all so simple.
Regeneration is accomplished the moment we believe.

Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Regeneration is accomplished the moment we believe.

Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

For the cause of Christ
Roger
God will never force you to live a holy life. You have to accept the consequences of your actions for refusing God's grace to live a holy life. This might be your last chance. God will not be mocked.
 

notuptome

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God gives us the grace to live a holy life. God gets all the glory.
Only someone choosing to not live a holy life would say something like that.
Your allegations are baseless. You are arguing against scripture.

We are made holy and righteous in Christ. God is glorified in those He saves and also in those whom He condemns.

2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

notuptome

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God will never force you to live a holy life. You have to accept the consequences of your actions for refusing God's grace to live a holy life. This might be your last chance. God will not be mocked.
Col 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

Col 4:6 Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.

I'm waiting to see this in you.

For the cause of Christ
Roger