Is a Person who Chooses to Live in Apostasy and Heresy cut off From God's Grace?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Status
Not open for further replies.
Oct 17, 2016
83
0
0
#1
Jeremiah 2:19
Thy own wickedness shall reprove thee, and thy apostasy shall rebuke thee. Know thou, and see that it is an evil and a bitter thing for thee, to have left the Lord thy God, and that my fear is not with thee, saith the Lord the God of hosts.
 

fredoheaven

Senior Member
Nov 17, 2015
3,992
927
113
#2
Jeremiah 2:19
Thy own wickedness shall reprove thee, and thy apostasy shall rebuke thee. Know thou, and see that it is an evil and a bitter thing for thee, to have left the Lord thy God, and that my fear is not with thee, saith the Lord the God of hosts.
Hi,

God's grace is for all. This includes Atheist, hereticks, apostates, criminals or sinners which included me. For your question, I do believe that it is the apostate and the hereticks that cuts them off from God's grace. Anyway, the verse you quoted means it is their willful rejection "as they have left the Lord", or their own bitterness, evil/ wickedness that let them cut off from the Grace of God.

God bless
 
Oct 17, 2016
83
0
0
#3
Hi,

God's grace is for all. This includes Atheist, hereticks, apostates, criminals or sinners which included me. For your question, I do believe that it is the apostate and the hereticks that cuts them off from God's grace. Anyway, the verse you quoted means it is their willful rejection "as they have left the Lord", or their own bitterness, evil/ wickedness that let them cut off from the Grace of God.

God bless
Your response make perfect sense.
 

Marcelo

Senior Member
Feb 4, 2016
2,359
859
113
72
#4
A person may be forgiven if they choose apostasy out of ignorance. I know many people who want to serve God, but are actually serving mercenary pastors. But I also know some people who choose apostasy because they want to indulge themselves in sin. They've already been cut off from God's grace.
 
Jan 7, 2015
6,057
78
0
#5
[h=1]Hebrews 6:4-8[/h] [SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

[SUP]5 [/SUP]And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
 
Nov 22, 2015
20,436
1,430
0
#6
Hebrews 6 is a beautiful chapter on the grace of God.....I love that chapter...

The book of Hebrews is written to Jewish believers ( in which in the reading of this letter unbelievers would most likely hear this too as in the early stages of Christianity there were both Jewish believers and unbelievers meeting).

It is also a good reminder for everyone about those that reject Christ and His work.

Heb. 6:4-8 talks about those that reject Jesus' sacrifice...then in verse 9 it talks about us believers..

Hebrews 6:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But, beloved, we are convinced of better things concerning you, and things that accompany salvation, though we are speaking in this way.

Here the author of Hebrews is speaking to the "Beloved"..that is us Christians that have accepted Jesus as our sacrifice...and he talks about "
things that accompany salvation"

He wanted them to know that the verses 4-8 was not for them..which is why he said.."..though we are speaking in this way."

He didn't want them to put themselves - the true believers in that category.

Hebrews 6 is a beautiful chapter about the love and grace of Christ for us believers...not so good for those Jews depending on the temple system.

Here below if you click on this link it'll take you to a post from mailmandan who gave an excellent breakdown of Hebrews 6:4-9. The last half of his post addresses Hebrews 6:4-9.

Twice dead
 

JaumeJ

Senior Member
Jul 2, 2011
21,195
6,508
113
#7
We must all be careful not to hold our brethren under suspicion simply because the denomination they have been labeled is apostetic.

Keep in mind and heart that God will call His children out of the Great Whore in His time. Now the great Whore is the mother of all whores therefore it stands to perfect reason that our Father will call His children out of all whores included.

Let us not be hasty to judge. I blieve all who do indeed love Jesus Christ have been deceived at one time or another during his or her walk in the Lord's Way.......God bless all in Jesus Christ...
 
Dec 19, 2009
27,513
128
0
71
#8
Jeremiah 2:19
Thy own wickedness shall reprove thee, and thy apostasy shall rebuke thee. Know thou, and see that it is an evil and a bitter thing for thee, to have left the Lord thy God, and that my fear is not with thee, saith the Lord the God of hosts.
The Lord knows the way to contentment and security. When we forsake him, there is no chance of being content or secure.
 
Oct 17, 2016
83
0
0
#9
The Lord knows the way to contentment and security.
Can a person get to contentment and security by continuing to live in apostasy and heresy?
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#10
An apostate is an unbeliever,

They were never saved to begin with, So how could they get to heaven?
 
Oct 17, 2016
83
0
0
#11
An apostate is an unbeliever,

They were never saved to begin with, So how could they get to heaven?
Do you really believe that all people who choose to be in apostasy and heresy are unbelievers. This is so depressing?
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#12
Do you really believe that all people who choose to be in apostasy and heresy are unbelievers. This is so depressing?

That is what the bible says.. Why woudld you apostate (go to another gospel) if you have faith in Gods gospel?

As for heresy, There is to many lose defenitions as to what makes a person a heretic, so I would say no..
 
Oct 17, 2016
83
0
0
#13

That is what the bible says.. Why woudld you apostate (go to another gospel) if you have faith in Gods gospel?

As for heresy, There is to many lose defenitions as to what makes a person a heretic, so I would say no..
How is it even possible for a heretic to be in God's grace?
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#14
How is it even possible for a heretic to be in God's grace?
what makes a person a heretic? As I said, What you consider a heretic, I may not consider a heretic. And some things which are considered heresy, would not nagate a child from going to heaven, because it is not a salvic issue, but a doctrinal issue.

And what makes you think it is possible for any person, heretic or not, to not be in Gods grace?
 
Oct 17, 2016
83
0
0
#15
We must all be careful not to hold our brethren under suspicion simply because the denomination they have been labeled is apostetic.

Keep in mind and heart that God will call His children out of the Great Whore in His time. Now the great Whore is the mother of all whores therefore it stands to perfect reason that our Father will call His children out of all whores included.

Let us not be hasty to judge. I blieve all who do indeed love Jesus Christ have been deceived at one time or another during his or her walk in the Lord's Way.......God bless all in Jesus Christ...
Do we have to warn people when they are in heresy? If we warn people by showing them overwhelming evidence that they are in a heretical denomination, will they get out of this denomination for the sake of their salvation?
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#16
Do we have to warn people when they are in heresy? If we warn people by showing them overwhelming evidence that they are in a heretical denomination, will they get out of this denomination for the sake of their salvation?
A denomination can not save or unsave anyone.. Many denomination may have differeing views of differing doctrines, but have the same gospel.. Thus those who trust in that gospel are saved, no matter what differences they had in other areas.

Now if the denomination teaches a false gospel. Then yes, But the denomination is not what will condemn a person, it is the false gospel.

 
Oct 17, 2016
83
0
0
#18
what makes a person a heretic? As I said, What you consider a heretic, I may not consider a heretic. And some things which are considered heresy, would not nagate a child from going to heaven, because it is not a salvic issue, but a doctrinal issue.

And what makes you think it is possible for any person, heretic or not, to not be in Gods grace?

If God considers a person to be a Heretic,
is this person in God's grace?
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#19

If God considers a person to be a Heretic,
is this person in God's grace?
what does god consider heresy?

I am sorry, But the only thing that will condemn a person to hell is to have faith in a false gospel. That is called apostacy. If you want to consider that heresy fine.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#20
I will say, If it is dependent on us getting all doctrines 100 % perfect in all areas. No one will make it to heaven, And in this example. we would all be determined to be heretics in some form or fashion.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.