Parables

[bikerchaz]

Serious discussion here, please. When Jesus spoke in parables there are numerous story's and chunks of edification we can obtain through them. I would like us to look at Jesus parables that contain 'servants' or 'stewards'. OK I assume we all know that these servants or stewards are contracted to one master, God or Jesus or both but one. This being so, these servants are therefore knowledgable of their duties, and each has pledged themselves to their master.

I am writing this thread because of another thread [h=2]"Sin shall not have dominion over us that are in Christ"[/h]I made a comment at the end of this thread that has not been picked up on. I wrote ;

We/I can not ignore Jesus warnings about the unfaithful servant. It feels right to say that; "once there were three servants to a master who while he was away took care of business. One stayed faithful and never left his post, one played the fool and although mindful of his duties took for himself and indulged in the occasional liberty, and one forgot who he was working for and acted like he owned the place.

The master came back and his return was as a thief, eg totally unexpected and unannounced (a bit like a car crash). The first servant was found doing good, the second servant had that week been mindful of his duties and performed well for once and he was found doing what he should. the third one was not and was drunk and forcing his advances on the younger staff he had employed to do his work". (parable mine)

The first was given more to look after that the second, because his master realised what he had done, the second was rewarded as the master saw fit, although the returns were not as plentiful as the first, he was found doing what was right and rewarded anyway, the third was scolded and told to leave and not come back.

I don't think it has much to do with loosing our salvation for good, but if we are found wanting and abusing our position in the Lord when we have our own personal rapture I do feel it right that we could loose our salvation. If we keep a short account we will be ok, if we do not, and keep falling and do not seek the Lords face and repentance is not forthcoming, then I feel/know we are in trouble should we be called to Him.

I trust I have made a clear point of this, I hope so. We do seem to go round in circles a bit. When Jesus talked about servants there was always one who didn't receive anything but condemnation and I feel it is right to be aware of this. I am not talking about knee trembling fear, but a reverential fear that keeps us on the straight and narrow, a fear based in love and reciprocation for the sacrifice Jesus made on the cross, and a mindfulness of our situation as sinful humans who only have the sacrificial blood of Jesus (which brings grace) to save us.

Within all the parables that Jesus told about servants, the same massage is made clear. An unfaithful servant will not inherit eternal life. Therefore as I have stressed before, it does matter what we do because we are in danger of loosing our salvation.

I am still waiting for an answer

 

[HisHolly]

I agree. Otherwise everything is pointless.. Do what you want and get in.. I don't think so! Why stress obedience if it's not important? Why do anything if people who choose to turn to the right and left still get in?

 

[HisHolly]

Disobeying is why we are where we are.. If it didn't matter Adam and eve could have and should have stayed in the garden.. God said bc they know, they must not get to the tree.. ridiculous that people think they have different outcome

 

[John146]

Serious discussion here, please. When Jesus spoke in parables there are numerous story's and chunks of edification we can obtain through them. I would like us to look at Jesus parables that contain 'servants' or 'stewards'. OK I assume we all know that these servants or stewards are contracted to one master, God or Jesus or both but one. This being so, these servants are therefore knowledgable of their duties, and each has pledged themselves to their master.

I am writing this thread because of another thread "Sin shall not have dominion over us that are in Christ"

I made a comment at the end of this thread that has not been picked up on. I wrote ;



Within all the parables that Jesus told about servants, the same massage is made clear. An unfaithful servant will not inherit eternal life. Therefore as I have stressed before, it does matter what we do because we are in danger of loosing our salvation.

I am still waiting for an answer

What if a person gets saved on a missionary movement and have no Bible, no church, and no discipleship. They have no idea of God's expectations on the believer. How are they expected to be obedient to God's commands?

 

[notuptome]

1 Cor 1:11 ¶ For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is.
14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Your skewed application of other scriptures violates this scripture rendering your understanding void. Salvation cannot be lost because it is imputed by God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[HisHolly]

What if a person gets saved on a missionary movement and have no Bible, no church, and no discipleship. They have no idea of God's expectations on the believer. How are they expected to be obedient to God's commands?

Bible says it will be written on their hearts. Those who don't know the law.. HS is so often left out of many posts on this site.. Everything can be known by paying attention to Him.. We aren't orphans

 

[HisHolly]

1 Cor 1:11 ¶ For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is.
14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Your skewed application of other scriptures violates this scripture rendering your understanding void. Salvation cannot be lost because it is imputed by God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Who gets in then bc narrow is the road.. you can't say all believers bc Jesus said not everyone that says Lord will enter, but he who does the will of my Father.. The obedient..

 

[John146]

Bible says it will be written on their hearts. Those who don't know the law.. HS is so often left out of many posts on this site.. Everything can be known by paying attention to Him.. We aren't orphans

So we don't need the word of God if we're saved because we have the Holy Spirit to teach us all things. Is that what you are saying?

If I don't read and study the word like I'm commanded to then the Holy Spirit will just teach me all things?

 

[Yonah]

What if a person gets saved on a missionary movement and have no Bible, no church, and no discipleship. They have no idea of God's expectations on the believer. How are they expected to be obedient to God's commands?

that's a very good question , and the answer is found is scripture as we see his character.... He never expects us to walk in the light we do not have, and His Spirit will guide anyone who seeks on the path to life, He is not limited by lack of bibles or geographical locations , or any other limitations supposed or real... "we can do all things in Messiah" either we believe that with Him ALL things a possible or we don't.

 

[bikerchaz]

What if a person gets saved on a missionary movement and have no Bible, no church, and no discipleship. They have no idea of God's expectations on the believer. How are they expected to be obedient to God's commands?

There were Churches set up by Paul who didn't have chance to get to read the Torah or have many months input by Paul, those you mentioned and these Churches should have one thing in common, The Holy Spirit.

When we are called then we make the choice to accept and become chosen, we get baptised and are buried with Christ and then raised with Him to newness of life, we ask the Holy Spirit to live within us and we move forward to the Kingdom. Did not Jesus say He would teach us? Did not Jesus say that the Holy Spirit would take from what is of Him and would make it known to us? I admit these things are simple, but the Holy Spirit is anything but simple. I believe what Jesus has said.

If someone gets saved in a missionary context where is the missionary? Is he not only doing half his work? A lot like visiting evangelists today, they come get paid and go. Paul never did that if he could help it, and when he couldn't help it he knew Jesus had things under control.

I know Jesus will have things under control it is His church, do you really believe Jesus will leave us as orphans?

 

[John146]

Thread after thread after thread of not knowing how to rightly divide the word of truth. Why oh why do we try and fit all doctrines into the Church Age.

 

[John146]

There were Churches set up by Paul who didn't have chance to get to read the Torah or have many months input by Paul, those you mentioned and these Churches should have one thing in common, The Holy Spirit.

Scripture to back this please...

1 Corinthians 4:17 For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.

 

[Grace777x70]

Can someone post the exact scripture reference that speak of the "unfaithful" servant? I did a scan on my software and there is no such word in the KJV and the NASB bible. Sometimes us being people "add" our own words into things and that can throw us off. Thanks.

 

[bikerchaz]

1 Cor 1:11 ¶ For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is.
14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Your skewed application of other scriptures violates this scripture rendering your understanding void. Salvation cannot be lost because it is imputed by God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Thank you Roger for saying I have a skewed and a void understanding, I bless you in Jesus name. I will not stoop to call your understanding flawed, I want to bless you, truly. God bless.

To the point you made from the scripture given, yes I know "God will have mercy on whom He has mercy", do you?

 

[John146]

Can someone post the exact scripture reference that speak of the unfaithful servant? Thanks.

Does Paul ever speak of an unfaithful servant losing the seal of the Holy Spirit whereby we have our promise of redemption?

 

[bikerchaz]

I have to go out, I will put up scriptuer for you and grace777 back in a few hours or tomorrow even

 

[FreeNChrist]

“When Jesus told his parables to the people, his disciples asked, why do you talk to them in riddles? And his answer was: “So they won’t catch on. Because anything they could catch on to would be the wrong thing. As Isaiah said, seeing they don’t see and hearing they don’t hear, neither do they understand [Matthew 13:10-17]. That’s why I talk to them like this: because I don’t want them to have little lights go on in their heads. I want to put out all the lights they’ve got, so that in the darkness they can listen to me.” Robert Farrar Capon

 

[notmyown]

Can someone post the exact scripture reference that speak of the "unfaithful" servant? I did a scan on my software and there is no such word in the KJV and the NASB bible. Sometimes us being people "add" our own words into things and that can throw us off. Thanks.

to be honest, it sounds a bit like an amalgamation of Matt 24 and Luke 12 parable of the {un}profitable servant

and Matt 25 and Luke 19, parable of the talents?

 

[Grace777x70]

Does Paul ever speak of an unfaithful servant losing the seal of the Holy Spirit whereby we have our promise of redemption?

No.... of course not!

 

[Grace777x70]

to be honest, it sounds a bit like an amalgamation of Matt 24 and Luke 12 parable of the {un}profitable servant

and Matt 25 and Luke 19, parable of the talents?

Ahhh...maybe. I was beginning to wonder if I couldn't speel "unfaithful" ( some pun or fun intended with speel )....