Is the Protestant Reformation Infallible-of God?

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If your salvation was dependent on you adhering to the Protestant Reformation only if it is not in communion with apostasy and heresy, would you get to heaven?

How does the Protestant Reformation define Believers eternal legacy?

Please remember when responding to this thread, if the Protestant Reformation is in communion with apostasy and heresy, people who adhere to its teachings go to Hell; and if the Protestant Reformation is Infallible-of God, people who adhere to its teachings go to heaven.
 
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Mindee said:
If your salvation was dependent on you adhering to the Protestant Reformation only if it is not in communion with apostasy and heresy, would you get to heaven?

How does the Protestant Reformation define Believers eternal legacy?

Please remember when responding to this thread, if the Protestant Reformation is in communion with apostasy and heresy, people who adhere to its teachings go to Hell; and if the Protestant Reformation is Infallible-of God, people who adhere to its teachings go to heaven.
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Thanks, You just proved everyone right.

It was nice knowing you (or was it??)
 
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Mindee said:
If your salvation was dependent on you adhering to the Protestant Reformation only if it is not in communion with apostasy and heresy, would you get to heaven?

How does the Protestant Reformation define Believers eternal legacy?

Please remember when responding to this thread, if the Protestant Reformation is in communion with apostasy and heresy, people who adhere to its teachings go to Hell; and if the Protestant Reformation is Infallible-of God, people who adhere to its teachings go to heaven.
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I am a protestant adhering the reformation, but I must admit that I dont understand your post at all.

Salvation is dependent on Christ and his work.

What is apostasy and heresy is defined in the Bible.

Reformation is not infallible. And it does not have to be. It is movement, a return to the first principles.
 
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Mindee said:
Please remember when responding to this thread, if the Protestant Reformation is in communion with apostasy and heresy, people who adhere to its teachings go to Hell; and if the Protestant Reformation is Infallible-of God, people who adhere to its teachings go to heaven.
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Hell is the grave, and as such we all go there, regardless. Hell is a translation of four different words from the Hebrew and Greek: Sheol, Hades, Gehenna, and Tartarus. Do you mean to say the Lake of Fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels, where death and hell shall be thrown at the end of the age? That is where those who refuse to accept the gift of faith from God shall experience the second death. All others have their names written in the Lamb's book of life, and pass from death to life through a spiritual rebirth via the righteous blood of Jesus Christ our Lord.
 
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Mindee said:
If your salvation was dependent on you adhering to the Protestant Reformation only if it is not in communion with apostasy and heresy, would you get to heaven?

How does the Protestant Reformation define Believers eternal legacy?

Please remember when responding to this thread, if the Protestant Reformation is in communion with apostasy and heresy, people who adhere to its teachings go to Hell; and if the Protestant Reformation is Infallible-of God, people who adhere to its teachings go to heaven.
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Quote "If your salvation was dependent on you adhering to the Protestant Reformation"

None of us believe our salvation is dependent on anything but the blood of Jesus for the remission of sins. Our salvation is in Christ alone. What is your salvation dependent on?
 
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The Protestant Reformation has nothing to do with our salvation. I personally believe that you can believe everything right and still go to hell. It is our heart that is most important. Our salvation is dependent on our faith in Christ and love for him. I personally believe that many Catholics and Protestants have found true salvation and eternal life. Just because you adhere to Protestant or Catholic teachings means absolutely nothing. Infallible is a term that should only be used for God's words. Men's interpretations of these words are never infallible. The Catholic Church is not infallible. The church hasn't even been able to remain consistent on some of their beliefs throughout its history. Certain Popes have had to apologize for the actions of previous popes. I believe Pope Francis has a very different outlook on dealing with Islam than the Popes did during the Crusades. That is only one small example. It was not just the reformers who saw corruption within the church. Not all that sought to reform the church left the church. In the 1400's in Florence the Dominican Friar, Girolamo Savonarola preached against the corruption and sins of the church. He was a Catholic priest who was outraged by the corruption that he saw within Catholicism. He had such a powerful influence that even Lorenzo Medici was terrified of him. Savonarola was later executed for his stand. It is one thing to believe that Catholicism is right. It is quite another to believe it is infallible. Even some of your own popes and priest don't even agree with this.

I really think your posts do a great injustice to your Catholic brethren. I've had many pleasant conversations with those of a Catholic persuasion in the past and they didn't act like this. We were able to agree on many topics and respectfully disagree on others. It's a shame that you are so determined to focus on heretics and apostasy and the inevitable damnation of these supposed heretics. I have never approved of evangelicals that bash Catholics and refuse to recognize the good aspects of the church. There are many Catholics that I admire. St. Francis is one of my favorites. However, that doesn't mean that I agree with many doctrines of the Church . You aren't doing your side any favours by continually implying that all Protestants are heretics.
 
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The popes have gotten many things wrong and led millions astray. Proclaiming themselves to be infallible, they mandate compulsory beliefs upon those in their flock, beliefs which contradict what Scripture explicitly and plainly states. Out of fear the followers bleat and bow in compliance and ignorance. Reading the Bible may be the only antidote for the false beliefs they have been subjected to, some since they were children. There is hope for them! God desires that all come to a saving knowledge of Truth, embodied in the living Word of God. This is made possible through the Holy Spirit of God, who draws all men (this includes women) to Himself through Jesus Christ, our risen Lord.
 
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The Protestant reformation was a bit before my time, so the answer would
be no!
 
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kaylagrl said:
Quote "If your salvation was dependent on you adhering to the Protestant Reformation"

None of us believe our salvation is dependent on anything but the blood of Jesus for the remission of sins. Our salvation is in Christ alone. What is your salvation dependent on?
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I can answer that for "her", the Catholic Church.
 
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The anniversary of Luther's birth on November 10th means we
may be hearing more about Martin as the date approaches :D



Luther came to reject several teachings and practices of the Roman Catholic Church. He strongly disputed the claim that freedom from God's punishment for sin could be purchased with money, proposing an academic discussion of the practice and efficacy of indulgences in his Ninety-five Theses of 1517. His refusal to renounce all of his writings at the demand of Pope Leo X in 1520 and the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V at the Diet of Worms in 1521 resulted in his excommunication by the Pope and condemnation as an outlaw by the Emperor.

Luther taught that salvation and, subsequently, eternal life are not earned by good deeds but are received only as the free gift of God's grace through the believer's faith in Jesus Christ as redeemer from sin. His theology challenged the authority and office of the Pope by teaching that the Bible is the only source of divinely revealed knowledge from God and opposed sacerdotalism by considering all baptized Christians to be a holy priesthood.

Luther insisted on Christian or Evangelical as the only
acceptable names for individuals who professed Christ.
From Wiki :)
 
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Even so, Luther was not the first to oppose the heretical Roman Catholic institution that calls itself a church, and promoted itself as the only valid expression of the community of God despite its numerous abuses. In the eleventh century people were defying the Romanists and reading the Bible for themselves and rejecting the clearly unBiblical views that Romanist Catholics promoted. The Inquisitions that commenced in the mid twelve hundreds were started in response to these people freeing themselves from the evil clutches of the corrupt papacy.
 
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Magenta said:
The anniversary of Luther's birth on November 10th means we
may be hearing more about Martin as the date approaches :D



Luther came to reject several teachings and practices of the Roman Catholic Church. He strongly disputed the claim that freedom from God's punishment for sin could be purchased with money, proposing an academic discussion of the practice and efficacy of indulgences in his Ninety-five Theses of 1517. His refusal to renounce all of his writings at the demand of Pope Leo X in 1520 and the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V at the Diet of Worms in 1521 resulted in his excommunication by the Pope and condemnation as an outlaw by the Emperor.

Luther taught that salvation and, subsequently, eternal life are not earned by good deeds but are received only as the free gift of God's grace through the believer's faith in Jesus Christ as redeemer from sin. His theology challenged the authority and office of the Pope by teaching that the Bible is the only source of divinely revealed knowledge from God and opposed sacerdotalism by considering all baptized Christians to be a holy priesthood.

Luther insisted on Christian or Evangelical as the only
acceptable names for individuals who professed Christ.
From Wiki :)
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He's a bit sour looking isn't he. Lol
 
trofimus

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Magenta said:
Even so, Luther was not the first to oppose the heretical Roman Catholic institution that calls itself a church, and promoted itself as the only valid expression of the community of God despite its numerous abuses. In the eleventh century people were defying the Romanists and reading the Bible for themselves and rejecting the clearly unBiblical views that Romanist Catholics promoted. The Inquisitions the commenced in the mid twelve hundreds were started in response to these people freeing themselves from the evil clutches of the corrupt papacy.
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And we must not forget the orthodox chuch that denied the idea of the roman bishop to be the head of all church (including the eastern one).

So the orthodox church was against roman pope from 1004 AD.
 
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Miri said:
He's a bit sour looking isn't he. Lol
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He looks pretty placid to me, especially considering the sheer enormity of what he set himself up against. Of course it is just a painting :D This one looks quite different again :eek:



However, we all know it is not a mere mortal we follow :D

Praise God for those whose love of Him was so great they risked
their lives to stand for the Truth of His revealed written Word!
 
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Getting out of Catholicism is a good start.

Getting out of every McReligion and system of Churchianity is a good continuance.

Getting INTO the Bible and personal responsibility that leads us to personal behavior and mindset based on the Bible are our justification and sanctification.

All systems of man are prone to manipulation, deception and corruption. The "church" is the Ekklesia - community of called out ones. Scripture speaks of the whore mother and Harlot daughter churches and implores us:

Come out of her my people be not partakers of her sins and receivers of her plagues
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the heavens are my throne and the earth is my footstool, who is it that would build a house for me ...
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Why not choose today to - "come out of her my people" - and come into a personal understanding and commitment to a new life in Jesus - The Way.
 
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