the lie that Jesus ministry was law

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people have thier own definitions of things like faith, grace, repentance ect. that are very different from the Bibles teaching
In Matthew 18:3, Jesus said "Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven"

People need to understand the purpose for our existence and the purpose of salvation is... The Father wants to be our everything, our first love.

In order to do that, we must accept what He says and change accordingly. This is so simple, people have to go to seminary, bible school, or idolize TV preachers to misunderstand it.

It's always best to continually remind ourselves to stand in the foundational teachings of Jesus and the Apostles and to remember this...

Matthew 7:24-27
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock
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And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
 
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In Matthew 18:3, Jesus said "Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven"

People need to understand the purpose for our existence and the purpose of salvation is... The Father wants to be our everything, our first love.

In order to do that, we must accept what He says and change accordingly. This is so simple, people have to go to seminary, bible school, or idolize TV preachers to misunderstand it.

It's always best to continually remind ourselves to stand in the foundational teachings of Jesus and the Apostles and to remember this...

Matthew 7:24-27
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock
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And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
and that very thing is a role of the holy spirit, who is always reminding us of what Jesus said to His disciples, and commanded them to tach the world. I find it hard at this point in my Life, to not remember the things Jesus taught, they truly are a guide in my Heart as the word proclaims. His gospel is a light, as He is a light that we follow in darkness
 

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Actually... you are getting what you believe for, and I'm getting what I believe for.

I'm basing mine on on promises from the New Testament, and who knows what you are doing :rolleyes:

My life is my business between me and the Lord and yours is the same... enjoy what'cha git!
Matthew 9:29 [FONT=&quot]Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.

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Ephesians 3:20-21
[FONT=&quot]20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

Mark 9:23-24
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[FONT=&quot]23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.[/FONT]
 
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How does a person, who is a sinner become saved? please undrstand, disagreeing is ok, im honestly asking you to explain what you do believe is required for salvation. repentance of sin? obedience to God? pretend im not a bel;iever and you are telling me how to be saved. ill check back later to see if you have responded. thanks and again try not to assume im having a " tone" but actually am asking how you believe i can be saved.[/FONT][/COLOR]
Romans 10:1-17
King James version(KJV)

1.)Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

2.)For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3.)For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

4.)For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

5.)For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

6.)But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)

7.)Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

8.)But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9.)That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10.)For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11.)For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12.)For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13.)For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14.)How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15.)And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16.)But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17.)So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
 
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Romans 10:1-17
King James version(KJV)

1.)Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

2.)For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3.)For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

4.)For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

5.)For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

6.)But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)

7.)Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

8.)But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9.)That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10.)For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11.)For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12.)For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13.)For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14.)How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15.)And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16.)But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17.)So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
So again, how would you tell a person they sane be saved exactly is my question, like suppose i asked you " how can I be saved? what do i do? and you of course are supposed to share the gospel of salvation....im asking you how does one get saved? honestly looking forward to hearing your view after the many comments ive read .
 

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Now this post goes to the grain. And we all know the grain is the seed and the seed is planted only by theSower. Praise Jesus Christ, amen.........

So again, how would you tell a person they sane be saved exactly is my question, like suppose i asked you " how can I be saved? what do i do? and you of course are supposed to share the gospel of salvation....im asking you how does one get saved? honestly looking forward to hearing your view after the many comments ive read .
 

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Justification is by faith and happens as soon as you give your heart to Jesus. Sanctification is by faith and happens as your heart and mind is renewed by the process of continually allowing the spirit to have control. The Holy spirit is the only one that can lead someone to be justified and sanctified because every ones walk is different.
To be justified is to be saved.
 
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So again, how would you tell a person they sane be saved exactly is my question, like suppose i asked you " how can I be saved? what do i do? and you of course are supposed to share the gospel of salvation....im asking you how does one get saved? honestly looking forward to hearing your view after the many comments ive read .

Talk to them about GOD
,about the history as much as I can about Adam and Eve and how they fail and why GOD sent HIS WORD to earth In the flesh,although GOD Is sovereign and could have taken power back from the devil without sending HIS WORD In the flesh to die on the cross as a man,GOD loves righteousness and does everything the right way.


Faith pleases GOD.

For GOD SO loved the world that HE sent HIS only begotten Son,that whosoever believed In HIS WORD would not perish,but have everlasting life
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GOD Is a SPIRIT and must be worshiped,HIS SPIRIT to our spirit and our spirit to HIS SPIRIT and this In TRUTH.

No one can come to the WORD of GOD unles GOD draws them.Meaning,you can't get saved by saying some words that will mean you are now saved,the person can't get saved to Impress their parents or trying to get saved because there Is a girl they are trying to Impress,ect...

It has to be In TRUTH from the heart,many cry when they get saved.
 
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An excerpt from, "The Rest of the Gospel: When the partial Gospel has worn you out” by Dan Stone.


Law and Grace are mortal enemies
. Religion asserts, "No, they aren't mortal enemies. They can flow together, like the Missouri and Ohio rivers flow into the Mississippi, and they become the Mississippi." Every place I've ever been in organized religion, I've found that belief. But Paul was saying, "NO. They never flow together. They've always been mortal enemies. They will always be mortal enemies. You can never marry the two. And you have to make a choice, Galatians, are you going to live under law, or under grace?"

Paul wasn't saying that if they stepped back into the law, they wouldn't be saved anymore. But he was telling them, "If you go back to the law, you're giving up the way of grace. Now, let me tell you something about the way of the law, Galatians: you have to keep it all."

They couldn't just pick out the law they wanted to keep. That's what I used to do. I'd pick out those parts of Mosaic Law, Sermon on the Mount law, Baptist law, my personal law, and whatever other law I thought I could keep at least some of the time. I didn't see that law and grace are mortal enemies. I didn't see that you can't live under both.

It made sense to me to be religious. It made sense to be an external Christian, trying to keep an external set of rules. I couldn't do anything else, because I had always been an external person. So were you. We all grew up as external people, defining ourselves in relation to other persons, things, and events that told us who we were. That's why as new Christians we were so prone to asking external questions: "What should I do?"

There's no life in the law. The only thing the law tells you is what you ought to do, but can't do. It will never relinquish its demand that you ought to do it, because it's a divine ought-to; God gave it to Moses. We'll keep ourselves under that divine ought-to, and the condemnation and death ministers (2 Corinthians 3), until we learn to live from the Person who dwells within us. Because there's nothing in our flesh that wants to say, "I can't do it. I can't keep the law through my own effort." Everything in our flesh says, "I want to try to do it, and with God's help maybe I can do it."

Like my friend Burt Rosenburg says, everything in that program is designed for futility, frustration, and failure. But they don't tell you that up front, do they? When you sign up, no one makes this announcement:

WE'VE GOT A WONDERFUL PROGRAM HERE, THE END RESULT OF WHICH WILL BE FUTILITY, FRUSTRATION, AND FAILURE! WHEN YOU HAVE COMPLETED THE COURSE, WE WILL GIVE YOU A DIPLOMA, SAYING:

"CONGRATULATIONS, YOU HAVE FAILED!"

I remember talking to a group and proclaiming, "We have succeeded! In what? In failing!" And everyone smiled. For we finally recognized that we had succeeded in what we were supposed to do, which was to fail. "Everyone is telling us that we failed in what we were supposed to succeed in. But the truth is we have succeeded in what we were supposed to fail in. Now, we can get on with it. We can get on with what is true life."

We usually quote Galatians 2:20 apart from its context. It immediately follows Paul's admonition to Peter concerning the law. When Paul said, "I have been crucified with Christ," he was referring to his death to the law. Paul was saying, "The old me died on the cross with Christ, and when I died, I died to trying to keep the law. Trying to keep the law is living according to the flesh, with me and my efforts as my point of reference. I died to myself as my point of reference. Now, Christ in me is my point of reference. He is living His life through me."

As believers, we no longer live under the law, looking to it to tell us what to do and not do, then trying our best to do it. Instead, we live on the faith principle, the inner life principle, of who really is our life - Christ. We trust that He directs us, opens or closes doors for us, and speaks directly to us, giving us a message or whatever is needed for the occasion. We trust that He is living through us. We may not feel it at any given moment, but we live by faith that He is our life.
This is so true.
 

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Jesus Christ came to clarify all by shedding true Light on the Word of God. He is the Word.

No on can deny He fulfilled the laws of priesthood, and sacrifice. He is the only Sacrifice for sin and He is the High Priest.

No one can deny He fulfilled the dietary laws in proclaiming all foods clean, once to Peter in the vision of the unclean foods and animals on the cheet extending down to him, and once before His resurrection in teaching that nothing by entring the stomaach defiles a man, it is what a person guards in his heart. Paul added all foods are acceptable if they are blessed for blessing makes them clean

No one may deny that Jesus teaches in no uncertain terms that the law is not abolished. Wheter He was speaking to Jews only or to all is moot since He was teaching the Gospel only and this teaching is within His teachings.

This by no means puts anyone under the law as those legalists attempt to labe those who teach obedience. No the light is shined on all of the Old tEstament teaching us all to choose the good.

If all the continuing law hangs on the laws of Love, then there are laws contained in love that are worthy to be obeyed. After all the moral conduct expect of us by God is contined therein, however never use our Salvation and life in grace as an excuse to break any of the laws whcich have become our new nature. That is still sin now matter how you look at it.

God does not impute the guilt of our sin to us, but He does expect us to honor Him once we know Him. If we falter, and we all do, it is not held against us for we are no longer under the law, we are free of its curse.

Try real hard to ignore those grace/onlyers who want us to totally call the law in the light of the Gospel as unnecessary any more.......this is some perverse legal interpretation attempting to circumvent the teachings of Jesus christ.

Deny obedience is expected, and you are dnying Jesus Christ, for we are to be as much like He as we are given to b.e
 
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Justification is by faith and happens as soon as you give your heart to Jesus. Sanctification is by faith and happens as your heart and mind is renewed by the process of continually allowing the spirit to have control. The Holy spirit is the only one that can lead someone to be justified and sanctified because every ones walk is different.
To be justified is to be saved.

Faith requires action to be complete. it isnt saying i believe that is faith, faith is when the belief in you presses you to action. faith and works go hand in hand. we are glad to do the things our Lord and Savior taught us to do, simply because we do believe in Jesus. who else should we believe about the things of God other than the One and only person He ever proclaimed Lord? who else do the prophets foretell that we must Hear and follow? who else offers eternal Life?

Believing "in" Jesus isnt just to believe God sent Him, it fully includes trusting what He says of His own eternal Kingdom. Faith needs to be understood as " faithfulness" He is always ready and willing because of mercy to completely forgive us our past when we turn to repentance and actuions that are in accordance with repentance. i understand your speaking of paul teaching " justification by faith" but what would paul say if asked what it was He taught?....

we dont have to wonder because He does a few times explain what it is He taught while He was on trial in rome He said this ( remember this occurs AFTER He wrote many of His epistles at the end of His missionary journeys

acts 26:20 "But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should REPENT and turn to God, and DO WORKS MEET FOR REPENTANCE."

again He says here

acts 20:20-21 "And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house, 21Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ."

and He says this

2 timothy 2:19 "Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ DEPART FROM INIQUITY."

again He writes this TO THE CHURCH

Galatians 5:18-21For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also TOLD YOU IN TIMES PAST that THEY WHICH DO SUCH THINGS shall not inherit the kingdom of God."


or ephesians 5, or romans 2, or 1 or 2 thessolonians.....consider what disqualifies these people from inheritance, it is the actions of the people, How they Live whether sinfully, or following the SPIRIT.

john 6:63 " It is THE SPIRIT that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU, they ARE SPIRIT, and THEY ARE LIFE."

john 12:48-50 "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not MY WORDS, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I SHOULD SAY, and WHAT I SHOULD SPEAK. 50And I KNOW THAT HIS COMMANDMENT IS LIFE EVERLASTING: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as THE FATHER SAID UNTO ME, so I SPEAK."


who else is worth trusting other than the One who came from God, commissioned By God to speak Gods Word of truth? Paul has to be studied after the foundation of the gospel is accepted, nothing He says contradicts Jesus Gospel, it builds upon it, or expounds about it. Gotta accept the Lords Word as if He is the Lord.

and sanctification IS Gods will for mankind.

1 thessolonians 4:3-8"For this is the will of God, evenyour sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: 4That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; 5Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: 6That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.7For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. 8He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit."


never can repent until we accept the word about reopentance and the understanding that Jesus coming Changed US not God, but we are "born again" " New creations in Christ" " the old is gone new has come" no longer sinners without, but now children with all the ability to learn and accept and do Gods will toward man.
 
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Jesus Christ came to clarify all by shedding true Light on the Word of God. He is the Word.

No on can deny He fulfilled the laws of priesthood, and sacrifice. He is the only Sacrifice for sin and He is the High Priest.

No one can deny He fulfilled the dietary laws in proclaiming all foods clean, once to Peter in the vision of the unclean foods and animals on the cheet extending down to him, and once before His resurrection in teaching that nothing by entring the stomaach defiles a man, it is what a person guards in his heart. Paul added all foods are acceptable if they are blessed for blessing makes them clean

No one may deny that Jesus teaches in no uncertain terms that the law is not abolished. Wheter He was speaking to Jews only or to all is moot since He was teaching the Gospel only and this teaching is within His teachings.

This by no means puts anyone under the law as those legalists attempt to labe those who teach obedience. No the light is shined on all of the Old tEstament teaching us all to choose the good.

If all the continuing law hangs on the laws of Love, then there are laws contained in love that are worthy to be obeyed. After all the moral conduct expect of us by God is contined therein, however never use our Salvation and life in grace as an excuse to break any of the laws whcich have become our new nature. That is still sin now matter how you look at it.

God does not impute the guilt of our sin to us, but He does expect us to honor Him once we know Him. If we falter, and we all do, it is not held against us for we are no longer under the law, we are free of its curse.

Try real hard to ignore those grace/onlyers who want us to totally call the law in the light of the Gospel as unnecessary any more.......this is some perverse legal interpretation attempting to circumvent the teachings of Jesus christ.

Deny obedience is expected, and you are dnying Jesus Christ, for we are to be as much like He as we are given to b.e
thats really good stuff there