the lie that Jesus ministry was law

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matthew 4: 17 "From that time on Jesus began to preach, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.”


matthew 4:23 "Jesus went throughout Galilee, TEACHING in their synagogues, PROCLAIMING THE GOOD NEWS OF THE KINGDOM, and healing every disease and sickness among the people"


john 1:17 "For THE LAW was given THROUGH MOSES; GRACE AND TRUTH came THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.


matthew 5:1 "Now when Jesus saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. HIS DISCIPLES CAME TO HIM, and he began to TEACH THEM."


Just to make the point, because false ideas have put the theory that Jesus was teaching the mosaic law, therefore His teachings arent part of the true Gospel. believe the scripture.


exodus 20:13 "you shall not murder" ( the law through moses)


MATTHEW 5: 21-22 "You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ BUT I TELL YOU (the gospel through Jesus) that anyone who is angry with a brother will be subject to judgment...."


exodus 20:14 " you shall not commit adultery" ( the law through moses)


matthew 5:27-28 "“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ BUT I TELL YOU ( the gospel through Jesus) that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."


deuteronomy 24:1 ""When a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some indecency in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out from his house, ( the law through moses)


matthew 5: 31-32 “It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’ But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery. ( the gospel through Jesus Christ)


numbers 30:2 "If a man makes a vow to the LORD, or takes an oath to bind himself with a binding obligation, he shall not violate his word; he shall do according to all that proceeds out of his mouth. ( the law through moses)


matthew 5:33-35 “Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not break your oath, but fulfill to the Lord the vows you have made.’ BUT I TELL YOU, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; or by the earth, for it is his footstool;"


deuteronomy 1921 ":Show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot." ( the law through moses)


matthew 5:38-39 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth. BUT I TELL YOU,( the gospel through Jesus Christ) do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, TURN TO THEM THE OTHER CHEEK also. "




Just a few examples, in order to omit the validity of Jesus ministry, things like the sermon on the mount or the countless parables and plain lessons taught by the Lord above all, there is a theory Jesus taught the mosaic law, therefore His words, teachings commands in the 4 gospels simply dont apply to His church, that was only for those present with Him, it was law, and therefore the gospel is only His death and resurrection. a theory that basically disregards Jesus ministry, and actually makes it a bad thing to be a " red letter believer" meaning you believe that Jesus gospel is the true and correect doctrine, of HIS CHURCH, HIS BODY, HIS BRIDE. clearly looking at just these few examples, no one should be able to hold to the idea that Jesus was teaching the law, simply because he is saying " you heard the law...it said this, BUT I TELL YOU this other thing. Jesus teachings are the foundation opf any correct doctrine and applies eternally to His people.


forgiveness ? matthew 6:14-15 "For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins." this is WHAT JESUS SAYS ABOUT FORGIVENESS.....he teaches it also in the parable of the unforgiving debtor (matthew 18:21-35 ) in fact the entire ministry of Jesus rests on this principle, which IS NOT LAW NOR DOES IT RESEMBLE LAW.


luke 6:37- 38 "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”


the Law teaches that we are judged according to strict written laws, by one another, we are condemned by 2 or three witnesses and stoned by the people of the community, forgiveness is not based on us forgiving others, but on sacrifice rather than Mercy. the law was Gods word given through a mediator Moses, the Gospel is Gods word given through the Only MEDIATOR Jesus, His Son. The law was given by Gods word to moses, then moses word to the people. he was its mediator. the gospel was given by Gods word through Jesus, the eternal mediator between God and man. there is nothing in scripture to even suggest omittals or devalue or de authorizing the gospel ministry opf Jesus Christ, that is outright herecy, whether we call it grace, new dispensations, whatever the reasoning its false, Jesus ministry is eternally valid and the authority over His body, bride, the Church belongs to Jesus.


false doctrines work hard to omit Jesus words, because Jesus words are salvation. Just as Gods word was Life in the garden. Dont be decieved by someone telling you Jesus gospel was him teaching law and therefore doesnt apply, its false. Jesus taught the kingdom of God, just like his apostles including paul. james, peter and john who said this

2 john 1:9 "Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son."

Jesus taught the way of Life, dont let " grace" omit the truth.
 
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matthew 4: 17 "From that time on Jesus began to preach, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.”


matthew 4:23 "Jesus went throughout Galilee, TEACHING in their synagogues, PROCLAIMING THE GOOD NEWS OF THE KINGDOM, and healing every disease and sickness among the people"


john 1:17 "For THE LAW was given THROUGH MOSES; GRACE AND TRUTH came THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.


matthew 5:1 "Now when Jesus saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. HIS DISCIPLES CAME TO HIM, and he began to TEACH THEM."


Just to make the point, because false ideas have put the theory that Jesus was teaching the mosaic law, therefore His teachings arent part of the true Gospel. believe the scripture.


exodus 20:13 "you shall not murder" ( the law through moses)


MATTHEW 5: 21-22 "You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ BUT I TELL YOU (the gospel through Jesus) that anyone who is angry with a brother will be subject to judgment...."


exodus 20:14 " you shall not commit adultery" ( the law through moses)


matthew 5:27-28 "“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ BUT I TELL YOU ( the gospel through Jesus) that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."


deuteronomy 24:1 ""When a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some indecency in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out from his house, ( the law through moses)


matthew 5: 31-32 “It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’ But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery. ( the gospel through Jesus Christ)


numbers 30:2 "If a man makes a vow to the LORD, or takes an oath to bind himself with a binding obligation, he shall not violate his word; he shall do according to all that proceeds out of his mouth. ( the law through moses)


matthew 5:33-35 “Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not break your oath, but fulfill to the Lord the vows you have made.’ BUT I TELL YOU, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; or by the earth, for it is his footstool;"


deuteronomy 1921 ":Show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot." ( the law through moses)


matthew 5:38-39 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth. BUT I TELL YOU,( the gospel through Jesus Christ) do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, TURN TO THEM THE OTHER CHEEK also. "




Just a few examples, in order to omit the validity of Jesus ministry, things like the sermon on the mount or the countless parables and plain lessons taught by the Lord above all, there is a theory Jesus taught the mosaic law, therefore His words, teachings commands in the 4 gospels simply dont apply to His church, that was only for those present with Him, it was law, and therefore the gospel is only His death and resurrection. a theory that basically disregards Jesus ministry, and actually makes it a bad thing to be a " red letter believer" meaning you believe that Jesus gospel is the true and correect doctrine, of HIS CHURCH, HIS BODY, HIS BRIDE. clearly looking at just these few examples, no one should be able to hold to the idea that Jesus was teaching the law, simply because he is saying " you heard the law...it said this, BUT I TELL YOU this other thing. Jesus teachings are the foundation opf any correct doctrine and applies eternally to His people.


forgiveness ? matthew 6:14-15 "For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins." this is WHAT JESUS SAYS ABOUT FORGIVENESS.....he teaches it also in the parable of the unforgiving debtor (matthew 18:21-35 ) in fact the entire ministry of Jesus rests on this principle, which IS NOT LAW NOR DOES IT RESEMBLE LAW.


luke 6:37- 38 "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”


the Law teaches that we are judged according to strict written laws, by one another, we are condemned by 2 or three witnesses and stoned by the people of the community, forgiveness is not based on us forgiving others, but on sacrifice rather than Mercy. the law was Gods word given through a mediator Moses, the Gospel is Gods word given through the Only MEDIATOR Jesus, His Son. The law was given by Gods word to moses, then moses word to the people. he was its mediator. the gospel was given by Gods word through Jesus, the eternal mediator between God and man. there is nothing in scripture to even suggest omittals or devalue or de authorizing the gospel ministry opf Jesus Christ, that is outright herecy, whether we call it grace, new dispensations, whatever the reasoning its false, Jesus ministry is eternally valid and the authority over His body, bride, the Church belongs to Jesus.


false doctrines work hard to omit Jesus words, because Jesus words are salvation. Just as Gods word was Life in the garden. Dont be decieved by someone telling you Jesus gospel was him teaching law and therefore doesnt apply, its false. Jesus taught the kingdom of God, just like his apostles including paul. james, peter and john who said this

2 john 1:9 "Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son."

Jesus taught the way of Life, dont let " grace" omit the truth.
learn to rightly divide the word of truth bro! you begin to do that by first of all distinguishing between what was said to Israel and what was said to the church( the new creation).

It will be a waste of time responding to the same things on this tread again since it has been dealt with on other treads!

So anyone who wants to understand that Jesus was a minister of circumcision( Jews) and that most of what He taught was the law, should kindly go back and read related treads on this forum.
 

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Jesus Christ brought the gospel for all who will receive it. We are all joyous receiving the knowledge we are saved by grace if we but believe Him.

He teaches the law is not dead, but at the same time He teaches all that the law, lawfully handled, is not dead. How so? As He informed some hypocrites who teach the law with rabbinical teachings, they overlook the three main points of properly dealing with the law which He gives as faith, mercy and justice.

When we learn from Jesus Christ and not from misunderstanding people we find that grace cannot exist if there is no knowledge of the law for there would be no reason to require it. We learn the law is not valid without grace when we apply mercy, jkustice and faith.

Jesus came to save the original flock first then to join that other flock, us, to it. In saving both there is but one gospel, so no one say "He was talking to the Jews" in defence of an argument such as "He did not teach the law." He completed the law byteaching how to approach it in grace, for without grace no man is saved. He destroyed the curse of the law, death, on the cross, however let no man say the law itself is obsolete. Otherwise He and His brother would not have spoken on keeping the commandments of God with patience, as in the letters of John, and in Revelation.

We are not to take away nor add to the Word of God, for Jesus Christ is theWord; hear HIm.
 
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Jesus would never have taught anything contradicting His own words (the Torah/law) because then he would be against Himself and the Bible teach us that a house divided in itself cannot function properly.

The biggest lie Satan is teaching the church today is the deception that Jesus changed His law. That is impossible.
 
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All the law and the prophets hang on one word,love,

and man was not able to love perfectly,If they had of been able to love perfectly,then they could have been perfected by the flesh,

but because of the weakness of the flesh they were being brought Into captivity to the law of sin.
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GOD provided grace through JESUS and we have access to this grace through faith.
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JESUS said that the words that he spoke were Spirit and they are Life.
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In the desert the children of Israel were only purifying the outward man/flesh and GOD will only accept perfection.
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Romans 7:12-15
King James Version(KJV)

12.)Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

13.)Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

14.)For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

15.)For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
 

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[FONT=&quot]Mark 12:30-31
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And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Deuteronomy 6:5
And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might.

Lev, 19:18
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[FONT=&quot]17 “You shall not hate your brother in your heart, but you shall reason frankly with your neighbor, lest you incur sin because of him. 18 You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the sons of your own people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord.[/FONT]

There are more examples that prove you wrong. God bless you. I hope God will show you his face and revelation and opens your hardened heart against God and his word.
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It always makes me smile when some quote Chrit's sermon on the mount to support an argument against the law not realizing He is clarifying how to obey the law.
 

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It always makes me smile when some quote Chrit's sermon on the mount to support an argument against the law not realizing He is clarifying how to obey the law.
hey all I can say is Romans 3:31
Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law.
 

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If I were to say, "Shabbat shalom" or "Good Sabbath" to all for today is the Sabbath for me. I will be accused of being under the law rather than simply observing the Sabbath on the day I believe I should.

If people were to say the same to me on Sunday, I understand they believe this is their Sabbath. Are they underthe law?

I see the Sabbath as a gift from our Father to rest and be away from our mundane labors to be with Him.

Also, He is the One Who numbered the days of my week, not a men, so why should any fault another for the day they observe the Seventh Day. I know I belong to no denomination, so it is impossible to label this practice as dogmatic.
 

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If I were to say, "Shabbat shalom" or "Good Sabbath" to all for today is the Sabbath for me. I will be accused of being under the law rather than simply observing the Sabbath on the day I believe I should.

If people were to say the same to me on Sunday, I understand they believe this is their Sabbath. Are they underthe law?

I see the Sabbath as a gift from our Father to rest and be away from our mundane labors to be with Him.

Also, He is the One Who numbered the days of my week, not a men, so why should any fault another for the day they observe the Seventh Day. I know I belong to no denomination, so it is impossible to label this practice as dogmatic.
Well my friend let me say blessed shabbat shalom to you :D I do have Saturday as my sabbath lol. its the only day where I can just rest and not go anywhere. My week starts with church on sundays and college mon-fri so I guess I am dogmatic and under the law :p as long as I am obeying the law that pleases Jesus and Yaweh I am fine with people calling me a heretic. For he was hated first
 
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"But when [in God’s plan] the proper time had fully come, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born under the [regulations of the] Law, so that He might redeem and liberate those who were under the Law, that we [who believe] might be adopted as sons [as God’s children with all rights as fully grown members of a family].
Gal 4:4-5 (AMP)
 
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It always makes me smile when some quote Chrit's sermon on the mount to support an argument against the law not realizing He is clarifying how to obey the law.
Those that are born of the Spirit of GOD are In the body of CHRIST and In HIM there Is no darkness.

Because of the weakness of the flesh,we couldn't keep the law,but because we have been born of the Spirit of GOD,we are members of the body/branches,JESUS,the vine,we bear the fruit,we establish the law.
 

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So true. No one who is a member of Christ's Body would dream of sinning, and sin is breaking the law. Of course we do continue in the flesh and we do succumb to the onslaughts of our nature at times because we are not yet perfected and not Jesus Christ, Himself Who has done all for us, and continues to cover our short-comings.

Jesus Christ would not break the law, nor do those who hear Him, at least not habitually.

If you are saying you do not sin, I am truly impressed. The Only Man I know who is without sin is Jesus Christ, for me and for all.

You live in grace right? Why do you need to live in grace if sin no longer exists for you? Why do you not learn about the law from Jesus Christ for He taught how to observe it lawfully departing from rabbinical teachigs that included punihment and death.

When you understand how grace cannot be without knowledge of the law, please explain this to me for if there were no law, grace would not even be mentioned leave out being necessary.

Do not even begin to teach others to be children of disobedience for this is of Satan. We are converted to being children of obedience. If you knew this you would not be hinting at condemnation of the obedient.

Those that are born of the Spirit of GOD are In the body of CHRIST and In HIM there Is no darkness.

Because of the weakness of the flesh,we couldn't keep the law,but because we have been born of the Spirit of GOD,we are members of the body/branches,JESUS,the vine,we bear the fruit,we establish the law.
 
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So true. No one who is a member of Christ's Body would dream of sinning
I prefer to say,that no one In the body of CHRIST would practice sin,enjoy sinning,want to sin.

Of course we do continue in the flesh and we do succumb to the onslaughts of our nature at times because we are not yet perfected and not Jesus Christ, Himself Who has done all for us, and continues to cover our short-comings.
I agree

If you are saying you do not sin, I am truly impressed. The Only Man I know who is without sin is Jesus Christ, for me and for all.
You were on the right track,but It seems,you are misunderstanding what I said.

JESUS said that the words he spoke were Spirit and they were Life.
A person would have to be born of the Spirit of GOD first,before they can be In the body of CHRIST.

The Spirit gives Life,not the flesh.

GOD looks at JESUS and we are In the body of CHRIST,members of the body,branches,JESUS the vine,HE produces the fruit,we bear the fruit.
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Galations 5:22-23
King James Version(KJV)

22.)But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23.)Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
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You live in grace right? Why do you need to live in grace if sin no longer exists for you? Why do you not learn about the law from Jesus Christ for He taught how to observe it lawfully departing from rabbinical teachings that included punihment and death.
Sounds like you are on track here,did you read post#7?

Do not even begin to teach others to be children of disobedience for this is of Satan. We are converted to being children of obedience. If you knew this you would not be hinting at condemnation of the obedient.
Hopefully you are on track with what I said and not misunderstanding and saying something I did not say.
 

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I am not "saying" anything but passing on teaching from the Master.

I notice in you replay you consistently say "what I am saying."

I always share the teaching fromt heWord to learn from Jesus Christ about how th elaw is to be approached and used lawfully. It is obvious that most do not understand the sermon on the mount is the teaching of the law according to Jesus Christ, that is with mercy, justice and faith as He prescribes. These are not my ideas, these are teachings from Him

All Jesus teaches to Jews and for us alike, I speak as you are a gentiel, is the gospel, and it does not differ for Jew or Gentile, though many Gentiles believe it does. The gospel is the same for Jew and Gentile alike there is no distinction.

So when Jesus teches us how to employ and approach the law, He is teachiing all people, otherwise it would not be brought up in the epistles to use the law lawfully, that is with mercy, justice and faith. Mercy alone should be enough to clarify the law for all. It would not be brought up in John's epistles, nor would it be brought up in Revelation.

It is the curse of the law that is nailed to the cross. Death! You mention not practicing sin habitually, and you mention the spirit and how there are those who believe who live constantly in the spirit thus the sin of the flesh has no bearing on them, and this is true in part. We wtill need Jesus Christ to arbitrate for us, that is to interven on our behalf to mediate.

Read what Jesus teaches and learn. It is fine to say believe He is the Son of god, but believing is also following His example and living as much as one is given to be like Him only to be finally perfected on His Great Day. Do not intimate we are alrelady perfect for thi9s quality only applies to the Head of teh Body, Jesus Christ, not to the members, thou the guilt of our sin is not imputed agains us.

If you believe you live in grace, it can only be the result of know sin is still around, and sin is breaking th e law. Try not to juggle thes truths around to fit some other meaning. We need Jesus Christ until the day we leave this age. You post as though once saved we do not.

Good night from here.........God bless all who hear Jesus Christ and all who will come to hear Him, amen.
 
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There is one law and One Lawgiver, those who reject His words shall be judged by Him.

John 5:22-29

[SUP]22 [/SUP]For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

[SUP]23 [/SUP]That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

[SUP]25 [/SUP]Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

[SUP]26 [/SUP]For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

[SUP]27 [/SUP]And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man."


John 12:48-49

[SUP]48 [/SUP]He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

[SUP]49 [/SUP]For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.


[SUP]28 [/SUP]Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

[SUP]29 [/SUP]And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
 
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I am not "saying" anything but passing on teaching from the Master.

I notice in you replay you consistently say "what I am saying."

I always share the teaching fromt heWord to learn from Jesus Christ about how th elaw is to be approached and used lawfully. It is obvious that most do not understand the sermon on the mount is the teaching of the law according to Jesus Christ, that is with mercy, justice and faith as He prescribes. These are not my ideas, these are teachings from Him

All Jesus teaches to Jews and for us alike, I speak as you are a gentiel, is the gospel, and it does not differ for Jew or Gentile, though many Gentiles believe it does. The gospel is the same for Jew and Gentile alike there is no distinction.

So when Jesus teches us how to employ and approach the law, He is teachiing all people, otherwise it would not be brought up in the epistles to use the law lawfully, that is with mercy, justice and faith. Mercy alone should be enough to clarify the law for all. It would not be brought up in John's epistles, nor would it be brought up in Revelation.

It is the curse of the law that is nailed to the cross. Death! You mention not practicing sin habitually, and you mention the spirit and how there are those who believe who live constantly in the spirit thus the sin of the flesh has no bearing on them, and this is true in part. We wtill need Jesus Christ to arbitrate for us, that is to interven on our behalf to mediate.

Read what Jesus teaches and learn. It is fine to say believe He is the Son of god, but believing is also following His example and living as much as one is given to be like Him only to be finally perfected on His Great Day. Do not intimate we are alrelady perfect for thi9s quality only applies to the Head of teh Body, Jesus Christ, not to the members, thou the guilt of our sin is not imputed agains us.

If you believe you live in grace, it can only be the result of know sin is still around, and sin is breaking th e law. Try not to juggle thes truths around to fit some other meaning. We need Jesus Christ until the day we leave this age. You post as though once saved we do not.

Good night from here.........God bless all who hear Jesus Christ and all who will come to hear Him, amen.
Would you agree that the sermon on the mount was spiritual?

How can a person be obedient to the law If they are carnal,sold under sin?answer=they can't. You are trying to put the flesh above the spirit whether you know It or not.
 
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Jesus Christ brought the gospel for all who will receive it. We are all joyous receiving the knowledge we are saved by grace if we but believe Him.

He teaches the law is not dead, but at the same time He teaches all that the law, lawfully handled, is not dead. How so? As He informed some hypocrites who teach the law with rabbinical teachings, they overlook the three main points of properly dealing with the law which He gives as faith, mercy and justice.

When we learn from Jesus Christ and not from misunderstanding people we find that grace cannot exist if there is no knowledge of the law for there would be no reason to require it. We learn the law is not valid without grace when we apply mercy, jkustice and faith.

Jesus came to save the original flock first then to join that other flock, us, to it. In saving both there is but one gospel, so no one say "He was talking to the Jews" in defence of an argument such as "He did not teach the law." He completed the law byteaching how to approach it in grace, for without grace no man is saved. He destroyed the curse of the law, death, on the cross, however let no man say the law itself is obsolete. Otherwise He and His brother would not have spoken on keeping the commandments of God with patience, as in the letters of John, and in Revelation.

We are not to take away nor add to the Word of God, for Jesus Christ is theWord; hear HIm.
thats awesome stuff. what i find interesting is Jesus had authority to forgive sin when He began His ministry, not only after the cross. many times he forgave the sins of His followers showing His total authority, even over the written Law of moses. for instance the law says

leviticus 20:10 "'If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death."

john 8:3-11 "
The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women.Now what do you say?” 6They were using this question as a trap,in order to have a basis for accusing him.But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.9At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”11“No one, sir,” she said.“Then neither do I condemn you,”Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”


and Jesus again shows His authority over the Law the interesting part is that He bent down to write on the ground when He rewrote the law concerning putting the sinner to death. Because He himself would die in Her place, He had the authority to forgive He and show mercy, rather than strictly following the law that says clearly stone the adulterer and the one they commited adultery with. the gospel is the fulfillment of the Law. if you look very closely at the law of moses in exodus, deuteronomy and leviticus, you can find many things Jesus taught things like " love thy neighbor as thyself" " do not hold grudges" ect...the law before Jesus had no grace to teach us inwardly to accept and obey it, Grace is for that purpose, to teach us to repent and obey God, because Gods word is Life.