Water and the seas

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Here is an old post I made on the prophecy of the sea and the waves roaring---->>>>

In Luke 21:25 Jesus told us of what would occur before the heaven and the earth would be shaken, Jesus said Luke 21:25 “And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

Jesus was not talking about a literal
ocean here, but rather a sea of humanity foaming out their own shame in mocking’s, railings, and blasphemy. This same sign is also shown in
Jude 1:13Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.”

Jude describes them as those who speak
evil of things they do not understand, natural brute beasts. These were even among the early disciples being spots in their feasts of charity, those who fruit had withered, even without fruit. Jude then refers to Enoch, and the Lords coming with his saints to execute judgment upon the “ungodly” among them.


Jude describes them as ungodly
sinners with their hard speeches.They are described as murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts, mouths speaking great swelling words. Jude goes on to say in Jude 1:17-19 “But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
[SUP]18 [/SUP]How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.[SUP]19 [/SUP]These be they who separate themselves, sensual,having not the Spirit.”


We are told in
2 Peter 3:3 “Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,” And also in 2 Timothy 3:1-5 “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.[SUP]2 [/SUP]For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,[SUP]3 [/SUP]Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,[SUP]4[/SUP]Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;[SUP]5 [/SUP]Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.”

Many of these traits are also being manifest and displayed openly in those who call themselves Christians, so we know the time drawing near. This sea of
iniquity is like the RED sea of Sin, the sea of humanity which the Lord will also divide.


Job 26:12 “He divideth the sea with his power, and by his understanding he smiteth through the proud.”

Psalm 74:13
“Thou didst divide the sea by thy strength: thou brakest the heads of the dragons in the waters.”

Psalm 136:13
“To him which divided the Red sea into parts: for his mercy endureth for ever:”

Isaiah 51:15 “But I am the Lord thy God, that divided the sea, whose waves roared: The Lord of hosts is his name.”

Jeremiah 31:35
“Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:”

Isaiah 57:20 “But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt.”
 

notuptome

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I suspect that the whole earth will be covered with people. After the millennial reign there will be no room for oceans when the new earth is repopulated with folks the way God intended before sin entered in.

God loves souls so He is going to fill the new earth and the new Jerusalem with them.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Revelation 20:13 (NIV2011)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done.


Hades is somehow sea-like. The 'deeper' you go, the darker it is.

In the story of Noah, the whole world was covered by sea except for the righteous inside the Ark. Baptism is about how we are covered in water and raised from water. Our 'Exodus' is how God separates the sea of Hades for us to go across, just as foreshadowed by Moses leading the Jews went across the Red Sea. The Jews went to the promised land of Canaan, as we will go to the promised land of New Earth and New Heaven.

God didn't tell Noah to catch the fishes, so possibly whatever Noah caught may re-appear in the New Earth and New Heaven but in the absence of the fishes due to 'no more seas'.

New earth and New Heaven may have brand new species of animals other than those saved by Noah. Perhaps it has lakes if no sea? :eek:
 
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Tintin said:
To the Jewish people, the sea was symbolic of chaos. There will be no chaos on the New Heavens and the New Earth.
That is my understanding also.

The word "sea" in Rev 21:1 is the Greek word thalassa which means "tossing".

There will be no more "tossing" to and fro with varying winds of doctrine (Eph 4:14).

I also see the logic of InSpiritInTruth's understanding that the word "sea" refers to nations.
 
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Hades is somehow sea-like. The 'deeper' you go, the darker it is.

In the story of Noah, the whole world was covered by sea except for the righteous inside the Ark.
Yes, and that is how the Holy Spirit teaches, by comparing spiritual things with spiritual. Here is another couple of posts that speak of a spiritual flood and the depths of Satan--->>>

The flood in the days of Noah were also symbolic of another spiritual flood prophesied here in Daniel 9:26 “And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.”

When did the prince of this world come?
John 14:30; “Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.”

When did the spiritual flood start? Revelation 12:13-16; “And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a
flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth."


This is the spiritual flood of persecution and
false doctrine that has been ongoing ever since Jesus was caught up unto God. But was all part of the judgments the Lord proclaimed before hand.


This is the same flood waters the Lord spoke of in Isaiah 54:7-9; “
For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.In a little
wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the Lord thy Redeemer.For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.”

And here is one on the depths of Satan.

In Revelation 2:24 Jesus spoke of those who were teaching false doctrine, as those who speak the depths of Satan, which is speaking of the depths of darkness, or a darkened doctrine from those who are in darkness. I decided to post this on this thread because it also pertains to that spiritual flood which would come out of the mouth of the Serpent and all his false prophets like a flood of lies.

I watched a show the other day where these divers were deep
sea diving for rare aquatic species. And it showed in the show how the deeper in the sea they went the darker it became. After several feet of depth colors began to fade and darken until eventually as one got deeper and deeper into the depths it became increasingly darker. I would also liken this to the depths of Satan, as there would be degrees of darkness as one got further and further away from the Light.


It’s interesting in the beginning before the Lord said “let there be light” the Lord first said in
Genesis 1:2 “And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.” This is interesting when you think about how the Spirit like a great wind can move the face, or surface of the waters. And also how natural light can penetrate the surface of the waters, but the deeper depths would see less light.

Now think about what Jesus said about Himself being the light of the world, and of his leaving the world, and of the night or darkness coming. John 9:4-5 “
I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is
day: the night cometh, when no man can work.[SUP]5 [/SUP]As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”


Think about this, if the doctrine of
lies comes in like a flood and creates depths of darkness, just think about how the Truth does the opposite of that and brings forth the Light, as God’s Word is Truth and Light. So the further you get away from the Truth according to the words of God, the further you get away from the Light. But also the further from the Light you get the deeper you sink into the belly of darkness.


Jesus said
Luke 11:34 “The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is evil, thy body also is full of darkness.” The word single there is defined as being “whole, sound, and good” Just as the Lord said in the beginning, after He said “let there be light: and there was light” then it was said of Him “And God saw the light, that it was good:”

It is those who believe and abide in the
Truth that have the eyes of their understanding enlightened. These also by abiding in the Truth shall abide in the Light.


Isaiah 59:19 “So shall they fear the name of the Lord from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the Lord shall lift up a standard against him.”

Matthew 24:27 “For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.”

2 Peter 1:19 “We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:”
 
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What is also interesting in the beginning the Lord divided the earthy waters from the heavenly, just as the Lord divided the darkness from the Light.

Genesis 1:7 "And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so."

And shown in the flood account the waters came from the fountains of the deep from below, but waters also came from heaven above when the windows of heaven were opened. In a spiritual sense you can see both things as judgments from below and from above. Also these flood waters in the days of Noah would prevail and cover the earth for 5 months as shown here...

Genesis 7:24 "And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days." (5 months)

Just as the Destroyers army of false prophets and the flood of ungodly men would torment men for 5 months, (5 months being symbolic of the time the flood waters prevailed on the earth)



Revelation 9:5
And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

Revelation 9:10
And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.


 
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Here's another symbolism which shows the Serpent=the Devil symbolized as Leviathan who plays in the sea=sea of humanity.

Psalm 104:25-26 So is this great and wide sea, wherein are things creeping innumerable, both small and great beasts.[SUP]26 [/SUP]There go the ships: there is that leviathan, whom thou hast made to play therein.

Leviathan is symbolic of the Devil, aka Serpent, aka Red Dragon....

Isaiah 27:1
In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

What sea does the Serpent, Red Dragon, the Devil play in?

Ephesians 2:2
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Where does the 7 headed Red Dragon rise up from.....

Revelation 13:1

And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

The Devil plays in the sea of humanity.
 

RickyZ

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So though there will be people saved and gathered out of those former nations, the present glory and reign of the Kingdoms and nations of this world will be no more, but all will become the kingdoms of the Lord.
Amen, can't wait for that!
 
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Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
Rev 21:11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
Rev 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
Rev 21:13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Rev 21:15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
Rev 21:16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
Rev 21:17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
Rev 21:18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
Rev 21:19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
Rev 21:20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
Rev 21:21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Rev 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
Rev 21:26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

The New Jerusalem is a spiritual earth,so it is made of precious stones,street of gold,pearls,and the such,and the Bible says the old earth will not be remembered,and will not come to mind,for it is associated with sin and rebellion.

It is a spiritual kingdom,with the saints having a glorified body,that does not have a sun or moon,but the Lamb is the light thereof,which God will shine out of the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus,and light the New Jerusalem.

The gate will never be shut,for there is no enemies that can invade,and have to keep out.

Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

This is the only reference to something of a physical nature,the tree of life,which the tree of life was in the garden of Eden,and a pure river of water of life,clear as crystal,proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb,which a river went out of Eden to water the garden.

Which these must have to be there for people started out physical,and must remain forever to have the spiritual in effect with them.


Which appears as if the river,and the tree of life,must remain forever to identify with the garden of Eden,where Adam and Eve started,when they had a relationship with God,before they sinned.

It seems it would be something like that.

The New Jerusalem is spiritual,so no seas,no moon,no sun,no mountains,no clouds,and the such,but made of precious stones,gold,pearls,and the such,and the river proceeding out of the throne,and the tree of life,to identify with the garden of Eden.
Boy are you in for a surprise
 
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