romans, righteousness by faith apart from law

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romans 1: 16-17 "For I am not ashamed of THE GOSPEL, because it is the POWER OF GOD that brings salvation to EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES: FIRST TO THE JEW THEN TO THE GENTILE. For in the gospel the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD is revealed—a RIGHTEOUSNESS THAT IS BY FAITH from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will LIVE BY FAITH"


Romans 1:5-6 "Through him we received grace and apostleship TO CALL ALL THE GENTILES TO THE OBEDIENCE THAT COMES FROM FAITH for his name’s sake. and YOU ALSO are among those Gentiles who are CALLED TO BELONG TO JESUS Christ."


Romans 3:19-26 "Now we know that whatever THE LAW SAYS, it says to those who are UNDER THE LAW, SO THAT every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the WORKS OF THE LAW; rather, THROUGH THE LAW we become CONSCIOUS OF SIN".


But now APART FROM THE LAW the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD has been made known, to which the LAW AND the PROPHETS TESTIFY. This righteousness is given THROUGH FAITH in Jesus Christ to allWHO BELIEVE. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW AND GENTILE, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,i through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the SINS COMMITED BEFOREHAND UNPUNISHED— he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and THE ONE WHO JUSTIFIES those who HAVE FAITH IN JESUS."


ROMANS 16:26 ""but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, SO THAT ALL THE GENTILES MIGHT COME TO THE OBEDIENCE THAT COMES FROM FAITH",,,V31 "Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law."


romans 6: 3-4"Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? WE WERE therefore buried with him through baptism INTO DEATH in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may LIVE A NEW LIFE."


romans 6:11-14 "-In the same way, count yourselves DEAD TO SIN but ALIVE TO GOD IN CHRIST JESUS. Therefore DO NOT LET SIN reign in YOUR MORTAL BODY so that YOU OBEY ITS EVIL DESIRES. Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an INSTRUMENT of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from DEATH TO LIFE; and OFFER EVERY PART OF YOURSELF TO HIM as an INSTRUMENT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS. For SIN SHALL NOT be your master, because you are NOT UNDER THE LAW, but under grace."


Romans 6:15- 18 "What then? SHALL WE SIN because we are not under the law but under grace? BY NO MEANS! Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the ONE YOU OBEY—whether you are slaves TO SIN, which LEADS TO DEATH, or to OBEDIENCE, which LEADS TO RIGHTEOUSNESS? But thanks be to God that, though you USED TO BE slaves to sin, you have COME TO OBEY from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your alleigience. YOU HAVE BEEN SET FREE FROM SIN and have become SLAVES TO RIGHTEOUSNESS."


romans 6:20-22 "When YOU WERE SLAVES TO SIN , you were free from the control of righteousness. What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things RESULT IN DEATH! But now that YOU HAVE BEEN SET FREE FROM SIN and have become SLAVES OF GOD, the benefit YOU REAP leads to holiness, and THE RESULT IS ETERNAL LIFE."


The righteousness that comes by Faith, is the same as the faith that leads to obedience. obedience saves, the difference is that before Jesus, we didnt have His righteousness revealed as He revealed it in His ministry. we obey Now in Christ because He has made us well able through faith in Hois death, as our death, and faith in His resurrection as our new Life. the old creation cant please God, the new creation who is born through Jesus, is saved by Faith that Jesus is the One God sent. If we believe in Jesus, through Knowledge of Jesus we are equipped for everything God expects of us. Jesus death is ours by faith, we died with Him, therefore the Laws authority over us ended because when you die, the law is finished it is for earthly life.


through faith, we died to the earthly life with Jesus, and are raised up in His resurrection as new creations, clothed and filled with His righteousness, because we are filled with His words, Jesus moinistry IS the righteousness of God revealed. Jesus teaching what is right, is Gods righteousness, the gospel. the law of moses was removed in Jesus death, and the gospel was put into effect over those who receive the truth of Jesus Christ. Grace doesnt set us free from Obeying God, it sets us free from sin under the first covenant. we dont have to be sinners any longer, God has made a way. apart from the mosaic Law, but NOT without rule and law of the spirit of Jesus Christ. His words are the words of eternal Life, rejecting His ministry eiother in favor of the mosaic law, or grace with no law, is a vital error.




righteousness by Faith saves us because obedience comes from true Faith. Faith doesnt ignore Gods Word, or pretend that because we have faith, we dont act. Faith will always become action. so saved by Grace and not by anything we had done is true. and that HAS TO lead to the obedience that comes from faith because these thoings are true also.


romans 2:7-11 "To those who by persistence in DOING GOOD seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are SELF SEEKING and who REJECT THE TRUTH AND FOLLOW EVIL, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God DOES NOT show favoritism."


galatians 6:7-9 "Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up."


galatians 5:16-21 "So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whateverc you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this WILL NOT inherit the kingdom of God."






The doctrines in the world that change the word of God to fit, are noit of God. Gods true doctrine changes the believer to fit Gods word. id Grace hates obedience, repentance, the gospel, the words and teachings of Jesus....it is not grace. If doctrines need to omit scriptures taught by Jesus, paul, james, peter, hebrews the doctrine is missing something important " division of the word" is acomplished by Jesus himself in His ministry.
 

notuptome

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Ro 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Abraham was before the law. Abraham was saved by grace. God imputed righteousness to Abraham not because of his deeds but through mercy and grace.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

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Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
 
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Ro 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Abraham was before the law. Abraham was saved by grace. God imputed righteousness to Abraham not because of his deeds but through mercy and grace.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Amen, saved by the grace of God, according to the work of His faith as a three day labor of His love. Not any work Abraham could do.

Its Christ's faith that makes His work of faith complete .We, I believe can see how Christ's faith worked with His works making the fact he believed it would work out in the end complete/perfect . In the same way the faith of Christ worked in Rahab or any believer who is freely given the faith of God, so that we can believe Him who has no form..as a imputed righteousness, of Christ.

Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?Jam 2:23
 
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Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
When you say obey,do you mean obedience to faith or do you mean Abraham had to put his faith Into action by offering up Isaac before GOD accounted him righteous?

GOD looks at the heart,so then Would you agree that GOD could see his faith or are you saying GOD needed to see If he was realy telling the truth In his heart by seeing If Abraham would put his faith Into physical action?

Romans 4:1-2
King James Version(KJV)

1.)What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2.)For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
 
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When you say obey,do you mean obedience to faith or do you mean Abraham had to put his faith Into action by offering up Isaac before GOD accounted him righteous?

GOD looks at the heart,so then Would you agree that GOD could see his faith or are you saying GOD needed to see If he was realy telling the truth In his heart by seeing If Abraham would put his faith Into physical action?

Romans 4:1-2
King James Version(KJV)

1.)What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2.)For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
I think a person would have to decide whose faith did the work making faith perfect? Of Abraham towards God, or of the faith of Christ, coming from God? A distinction must be made between the things (faith) of God and that of men

From my experiences many say God does not need faith. So then the faith would be towards God as a dead faith which cannot produce a work

It becomes whose faith towards who? .

Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith "toward" God,

To tribute the work of faith of Christ, the Lord of glory, having it respect to Abraham or any man shows blasphemy has had an effect. In that way we are to have no gods before him.

Jam 2:1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.

Jam 2:7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?
 
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Ro 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Abraham was before the law. Abraham was saved by grace. God imputed righteousness to Abraham not because of his deeds but through mercy and grace.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

your mixing what i said. lets look at abraham since you brought him up did abraham obey God before he was credited with righteousness?

Genesis 12:1-4 "Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:2And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:3And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.4So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran."

even before God credits abraham with righteousness abraham believed and did what God said to do. Belief God Knows will always lead to obedience. Faith is when you believe truly and act because God said it. Even Here in this example you see that abram believed, and God had already Given Him a promise BUT if abraham hadnt departed as commanded His blessing wouldnt have come. thats my point to say the word faith is one thing, to have faith is another. faith and works are One One is the root, the other the tree.

When God speaks a believer will move because they believe.

if you truly believe there is 1000000 dollars in your yard buried 3 ft down and someone tells you and gives you a map and says this is your money i give it to you all you have to do is dig it up. i bet youd grab a shovel and dig in the spot you are shown. but if you didnt have faith in the person, you would most likely not bother. Faith without action is dead and unprofitable it actually convicts us if we say i believe and will not do what were told By Our God its a contradiction. to believe something and not do it.