The role of the law in the covenant. Galatians.

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Grandpa

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Brother we are people who follow the word of God. I see nothing here but the reasoning of man. Either back up what you are saying or don't bother up to you.

And where do you get off calling the law of God carnal when the word says of it:

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

and Again:

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

So the word of God would disagree with your opinion above.
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Your attempt at following the Law in your flesh is what is carnal.

You've turned the commandment into a carnal commandment.

But its not a carnal commandment. Its not one that can be fulfilled by your work or your understanding.

Its a spiritual law and only the spirit can fulfill it.

Here, I'll show you...

Romans 14:23 [FONT=&quot]And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for [/FONT][FONT=&quot]whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]Galatians 3:11-12
[FONT=&quot]11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Whatsoever is not of faith is sin. Your attempt at following the law in your flesh is not of faith. Therefore your attempt is sin.

So now what? You can't work at the law because it is not of faith and therefore sin. But if you break the commandments that is sin too.

So how can a person keep the commandments but not work at the law? I'm glad you asked.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

By faith in Christ.

This rest that Christ talks of is rest from your work at the law.

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Do you believe the Lord? Do you believe that without Him you can do nothing? What about resting on saturdays, surely you can do that without Him?

What the Lord means is that you can do nothing spiritually without Him. You can't cause or keep your own salvation. That's spiritual and not carnal. You can't keep a spiritual law. You have no power to do so.

Now onto this much fruit that the Lord speaks about in this verse. What is this fruit? (You ask really good questions)

Galatians 5:22-23
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[FONT=&quot]22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

They are produced by faith in Christ. Coming to Christ and receiving rest and abiding in that rest that is in Christ. All By Faith.

Not by your carnal work or carnal understanding. You have no power to produce this on your own. Its spiritual...

So yeah, the law is holy and just and good. But your understanding of it falls way short. Your work at it falls even shorter.


Did you really think it would be that easy to follow Gods Law? He tells you that His Ways are much higher than your ways. His Thoughts are much Higher than your thoughts. Only God Himself could follow His Law.

I type all this in hopes that you would understand. And if not then I hope someone does...[/FONT]
 
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Grandpa said:
Your attempt at following the Law in your flesh is what is carnal.

You've turned the commandment into a carnal commandment.

But its not a carnal commandment. Its not one that can be fulfilled by your work or your understanding.

Its a spiritual law and only the spirit can fulfill it.

Here, I'll show you...

Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Galatians 3:11-12
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Whatsoever is not of faith is sin. Your attempt at following the law in your flesh is not of faith. Therefore your attempt is sin.

So now what? You can't work at the law because it is not of faith and therefore sin. But if you break the commandments that is sin too.

So how can a person keep the commandments but not work at the law? I'm glad you asked.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

By faith in Christ.

This rest that Christ talks of is rest from your work at the law.

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Do you believe the Lord? Do you believe that without Him you can do nothing? What about resting on saturdays, surely you can do that without Him?

What the Lord means is that you can do nothing spiritually without Him. You can't cause or keep your own salvation. That's spiritual and not carnal. You can't keep a spiritual law. You have no power to do so.

Now onto this much fruit that the Lord speaks about in this verse. What is this fruit? (You ask really good questions)

Galatians 5:22-23

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

They are produced by faith in Christ. Coming to Christ and receiving rest and abiding in that rest that is in Christ. All By Faith.

Not by your carnal work or carnal understanding. You have no power to produce this on your own. Its spiritual...

So yeah, the law is holy and just and good. But your understanding of it falls way short. Your work at it falls even shorter.


Did you really think it would be that easy to follow Gods Law? He tells you that His Ways are much higher than your ways. His Thoughts are much Higher than your thoughts. Only God Himself could follow His Law.

I type all this in hopes that you would understand. And if not then I hope someone does...
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Sufficient scripture has been given to show this to be inaccurate.
 
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gotime said:
Sufficient scripture has been given to show this to be inaccurate.
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Hebrews 7:11-19
[FONT=&quot]11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.


Do you understand these scriptures??? What is this saying?[/FONT]
 
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Many have missed some very important points about the 10 commandments. lets examine what Paul says about them in Galatians.......
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outstanding thx:)
 

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gotime

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Grandpa said:
Hebrews 7:11-19
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.


Do you understand these scriptures??? What is this saying?
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Yes indeed I do and I fail to see its relation but I will explain anyhow even though you refuse to address any scripture I have posted. The Context most clearly is concerning the priesthood and the change in that priesthood form the line of Aaron to Christ in the order of Melchisedec.

16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

So it is clear here that the carnal commandment is referring to the line of priests from Aaron who all died as apposed to Jesus who has an endless life and thus can be a priest forever. As is evident in the question asked in verse 11:

Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

The argument of course has to do with this text:

Psa 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

Thus by this it is clear that the law of the priesthood could not remain always as they did not live forever but Christ does live forever and is a priest in the temple made by God and not man.

Heb 7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
Heb 7:23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
Heb 7:24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.


Heb 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

Very clear.
 
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To add to that see Hebrews 5 which speaks about these things and also Hebrews 9

Heb 9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
Heb 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
Heb 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
 
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gotime said:
I was not speaking about the physical law. of course the writing on stone was added. But the law of love which is on that stone will always be through eternity. There was never a time and never will be a time that love is done away with.
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The writing on the stone was the first law of His love .As a work of His faith it prepared the way and established the law of faith (believing God) not seen. Remember it was God who cut out the stones and wrote them with His finger.

In order to show men He is not served by human hands.
 
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Your attempt at following the Law in your flesh is what is carnal.

You've turned the commandment into a carnal commandment.

But its not a carnal commandment. Its not one that can be fulfilled by your work or your understanding.

Its a spiritual law and only the spirit can fulfill it.

Here, I'll show you...

Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: forwhatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Galatians 3:11-12
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Whatsoever is not of faith is sin. Your attempt at following the law in your flesh is not of faith. Therefore your attempt is sin
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Faith of itself must first be defined as to where and who it comes from and therefore who it works in ?

Getting that upside down leads to confusion and much misunderstanding from my experience..

You would have to identify whose faith is in view? Of God or of men? Whatsoever is not of whose faith as a work, is sin?

What we offer towards Him that which He freely gives us as our Amen.
 
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Yes indeed I do and I fail to see its relation but I will explain anyhow even though you refuse to address any scripture I have posted. The Context most clearly is concerning the priesthood and the change in that priesthood form the line of Aaron to Christ in the order of Melchisedec.

16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

So it is clear here that the carnal commandment is referring to the line of priests from Aaron who all died as apposed to Jesus who has an endless life and thus can be a priest forever. As is evident in the question asked in verse 11:
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You missed something very important. Did you do it on purpose?

Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

So the law of a carnal commandment is not just about the line of priests but also about a change in the law. The law has changed in a fundamental way since the Lord Jesus Christ has become our High Priest. It is no longer designed as a carnal commandment, one that can be worked at in your own flesh and understanding, it is one that is given as a gift. Obedience is a gift. Salvation is a gift. Eternal Life is a gift. The fruit of the Spirit is a gift.

It is all a gift given by faith in Jesus Christ. By His Grace and Mercy.

If you are still working at the law in your own flesh and understanding then you aren't receiving these gifts from our High Priest. You are still under the law of a carnal commandment. You've placed your own self there by your own understanding.

Galatians 3:3 [FONT=&quot]Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?[/FONT]

Just about every religion and denomination has some sort of doctrinal error in it. It would be like trusting in the intellect of men and their philosophy and understanding instead of Christ Alone.

It's interesting how diverse our understanding is. Its like the tower of Babel. We are trying to share our understanding of God and its like we are speaking different languages...
 
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