What does it mean that Jesus Christ is the Son of God?

[Grace777x70]

Those who do not believe in the name of the only begotten Son of God are condemned already--->>>>

John 3:16-18

[SUP]16 [/SUP]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

[SUP]17 [/SUP]For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

[SUP]18 [/SUP]He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

Again what is His name--->>>>


Revelation 19:13

And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

The fact that people don't believe in Christ are condemned is NOT our ministry in the New Covenant as Paul clearly showed in 2 Cor. 5:18-19.

The preaching of the gospel ( which means good news ) of the grace of Christ is what we are called to do - NOT condemn people as in the Old Covenant mindset.

John 3:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Revelation 3

3 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

[SUP]6 [/SUP]He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."



Revelation 21:27
And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

 

[Grace777x70]

When Jesus and His love and grace are not preached but instead condemnation, there is something wrong because it is not the gospel.

The gospel of the grace of Christ is never spoken of - the Lord Jesus and His beauty is never spoken about - this reveals an Old Covenant mindset and "spirit".

Jesus in His own words had this to say about "this Old Covenant spirit".

Luke 9:54-56 (NASB)
[SUP]54 [/SUP] When His disciples James and John saw this, they said, "Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them?"

[SUP]55 [/SUP] But He turned and rebuked them, and said, "You do not know what kind of spirit you are of;

[SUP]56 [/SUP] for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them."

 

[followjesus]

If you were to ask somebody, "Who is Jesus Christ" they inevitably say "He's the Son of God." This answer is given not only by Christians but non Christians, including those in the cults as well as world religions. Even though the answer is "obvious" but what does it really mean?

Remember that Jesus Christ ask the disciples, (Matthew 16:14-17) "saying, Who do people say that the Son of Man is?" Please notice Jesus makes a point of saying "Son of Man." At vs16, "And Simon Peter answered and said, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of God." Jesus then says at vs17, "Blessed are you Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven,"

The answer that Peter gave is two-fold? In other words, Peter saying to the one person of Jesus Chriat that He/Jesus is, (1) the Christ/Messiah and (2) the Son of God. This answer will come into play not only at the trial of Jesus but before His trial and even after His crucifixtion/resurrection.

So within the pages of the Old Testament and in the New Testament is a "Jewish" idiom known as the "son of." But first, what is the definition of an "idiom?" The usual way in which the words of a particular language are joined together to express thought. The "son of" idiom DOES inted the meaning of a shared nature between ANY father and his son and thus between THE FATHER and THE SON, The "Son of God" title is entirely consistent with trinitarian doctrine which states explicitly that the Son is of the same NATURE of the Father. I'm cutting to the chase here but I will give examples from the Scriptures of how this works.

At 1 Kings 20:35; 2 Kings 2:3 say, "Sons of the prophets. This refers to men belonging to a prophetic band. Or Sons of the goldsmiths at Nehimiah 3:8 refers to goldsmith. I can give you many more from the Old Testament. Here are some from the New Testament. Sons of disobedience are those charactrerized by disobedience. (Ephesians 2:2). Or how about Barnabas at Acts 4:36 where his name literally means "son of consolation." he was called that because he was a consolin g person. One more, "Son of perdition." Who do you think this is talking about at John 17:12, and at 2 Thessalonians 2:3, means the lost one.

The point being is that this idiom can (1) Show membership in a profession or a guild. (2) Showing participation in a state or condition. Like "Sons of exile." (3) Showing a certain character like "Son of murder" denotes a murderer. And the last one, (4) Possessing a certain nature. The expression "son of man" clearly exhibi8ts the use of the word "son" to show the possession of a ceretain nature as at Numbers 23:19 which can be phraphrased, "God is not like man, who frequently lies; nor does He possess the nature of man, who by reason of his own limitations must ofter change his mind."

I think it's pretty obvious how the "son of" applies to Jesus Christ and in fact Jesus Christ referred to Himself as the "Son of Man" and as the "Son of God." At John 19:7, "The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by that law He ought to die because (or why) HE MADE HIMSELF OUT THE SON OF GOD." So why is that blasphemy worthy of death? At Matthew 26:63 the high priest ask Jesus to swear as to His identity, "But Jesus kept silent, And the high priest said to Him, "I adjure You by the living God, that You tell us "WHETHER" (1) You are the Christ/Messiah and (2) the Son of God." At Luke 22:70 Jesus says, "Yes, I am."

Finally, the Apostle John says at John 20:31 after Thomas makes his declaration that Jesus Christ is his "Lord and God" (John 20:28), "but these have been written that you may believe that Jesus IS THE CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD; and that believing you may have life in His name."

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Jesus is different. He Has no earthly Father, No mans seed is Jesus, the spirit came to mary, and mary concieved. all of the prophets had fathers of flesh. The ultimate thing that it means that Jesus is Gods Son, His Only begotten Son. The Only one who can ever say No mans seed Gave Him Life, but the spirit concieved Jesus in mary. The Son of man, is the spirit of Jesus. the annointing on the prophets in the o.t. those who received and spoke Gods Word, still then did it by the spirit of Jesus Christ, the Son of Man. ezekiel is continuosly referred to as " son of man" constantly scripture says " and the woprd of the Lord came to me saying " Son of Man".....and then ezekiel Gioves Gods word. Jesus spirit is the son of man. The eternal Son of God. "He who had no sin, was made to be sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God" and " for God so Loved the WORLD that He gave HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, that who so ever believes in Him, shall not perish but Have everl;asting Life"


God Has 1 begotten Son, all Sons and daughters come only through His Begotten, through Fatih in Him. even the o.t. prophets came through Gods Son. Son of Man. God is spirit, Gods son also is spirit, He was made into flesh and blood By God, in order to reclaim the dominion Lost by adam in eden. God gave adam dominion, adam Gave that dominion to satan through sin. Jesus came to destroy the devils work and redeem mankind from slavery to sin, and the sentance of death imposed By Law. Jesus is different in every way from prophets of Old, or believers of New, He is the Begotten of God. thats why He is Known as Gods Son, Because He is Gods Son. He was made flesh and blood, in order to save all who would believe from the coming wrath, because flesh and blood is corrupt, Jesus made it perfect for us died, rose and Gave us all we need to Live as chuildren of God, through Faith in Gods Only Son.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

The fact that people don't believe in Christ are condemned is NOT our ministry in the New Covenant as Paul clearly showed in 2 Cor. 5:18-19.

The preaching of the gospel ( which means good news ) of the grace of Christ is what we are called to do

Believing in Christ is believing in the Truth, as God's Word and words are Truth. That is where your false gospel message fails, because it is not based on the Truth but is of full of lies, twisted interpretations and half truths. A false gospel message has no power at all to save, but the gospel of Truth does, as it is also the Truth that makes you free.

Remember, what Jesus brought was not only the grace of God but also the Truth--->>>

John 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.


Colossians 1:6

Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

 

[Grace777x70]

Believing in Christ is believing in the Truth, as God's Word and words are Truth. That is where your false gospel message fails, because it is not based on the Truth but is of full of lies, twisted interpretations and half truths. A false gospel message has no power at all to save, but the gospel of Truth does, as it is also the Truth that makes you free.

Remember, what Jesus brought was not only the grace of God but also the Truth--->>>

John 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.


Colossians 1:6

Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

There you go again with the accusation of lies because I say that our ministry is not to condemn people but to instead preach the gospel of Christ to them.

You are free to believe what you want, but please stop with the accusations. This is the type of behavior that the mods are trying to stop in here. Thank you.

This type of un-necessary behavior causes strife and division and will be reported until it is stopped.

 

[valiant]

Those who do not believe in the name of the only begotten Son of God are condemned already--->>>>

John 3:16-18

[SUP]16 [/SUP]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

[SUP]17 [/SUP]For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

[SUP]18 [/SUP]He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

Again what is His name--->>>>

His Name is Jesus Christ the Son of God, our Lord (John 20.31).

Revelation 19:13

And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

LOL you will try anything,

 

[FreeNChrist]

Again the Word of God speaks the words of God, just as the prophets of old and the apostles all spoke by the Spirit of Christ, just as the the testimony of Jesus Christ is the Spirit of prophecy.

So believing in every word of God is important---->>>>

Matthew 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.


Luke 4:4
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.


John 6:53
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

Jesus is the living and active Word who brings life. Jesus Christ is not the Bible. Jesus Christ is God. And God cannot be contained within a book, nor reduced to mere words written on the pages of a book. That Bible is a book that exists to testify of the living Word, Jesus Christ, so that you will come to Him, believe in Him, and worship Him as God.....not the book.


“You don’t have His word living in you, because you don’t believe the One He sent. You study the Scriptures because you think you have eternal life in them, yet they testify about Me. And you are not willing to come to Me so that you may have life.”– John 5:39-40

 

[Grace777x70]

Philippians 2:5-6 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

[SUP]6 [/SUP] Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

His Name is Jesus Christ the Son of God, our Lord (John 20.31).



LOL you will try anything,

Are you also without understanding who the Son of God is?

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Again, who did the apostles hear, see with their eyes, and even touch....

1 John 1:1

1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Jesus Christ is not the Bible.

I didn't He was, but His words are in it, believe Him and them.

 

[FreeNChrist]

I didn't He was, but His words are in it, believe Him and them.

Rather, I believe in Him who is the living and active Word, Jesus Christ, who those words written in that book have testified of as being the one and only Lord God and Savior. There is no other.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

There you go again with the accusation of lies because I say that our ministry is not to condemn people but to instead preach the gospel of Christ to them.

You are free to believe what you want, but please stop with the accusations. This is the type of behavior that the mods are trying to stop in here. Thank you.

This type of un-necessary behavior causes strife and division and will be reported until it is stopped.

No accusations bud, I've already shown over and over again where your false grace message is filled with all kinds of errors. And since you like reporting me maybe the mods will also like to see where you are promoting salvation for practicing homosexuals and all wilful sinners, which once again proves your false gospel message is full of lies.

Here again is the proof---->>>

Originally Posted by Grace777x70
Theses sins are no different then one who is practicing homosexuality sins. You and all of us will be blessed to know that if you died tonight - the blood of our Lord Jesus would still be cleansing you of your sin and if you are in fact in Christ - you would be in His presence despite your wilful sinning.

This truth applies to all of us.”

Report away!

 

[Grace777x70]

And this is what I said in response to this.

More complete nonsense again....no one here in CC nor do I believe for one minute that CC is promoting homosexuality, malice and slander nor is anyone saying that any kind of sinning is right. This is a construct of your own mind.

People here including CC are promoting the grace of Christ - the blood of Christ - so that all people can walk in freedom from any sin that they are deceived in - including homosexuality and malice slanderers too. They are in the same list as being "works of the flesh".

We advocate as I assume CC does that we are to preach and teach the grace of Christ as it is grace that empowers us to bear the fruit of His life in and through us and to see the fruit of everything that we are because we are in Christ.

 

[Grace777x70]

And I also said this so that things are not taken out of context.

In order to keep the malice and slander down to a minimum - here is a post from a thread that I had done back in January 11/16. This shows what I believe about the homosexual lifestyle both for the unbeliever and for the believer.

Whether people agree or disagree with it is fine with me but I wanted to show the truth about what I really say about this subject.

It's time to stop the accusations and the causing of strife and divisions amongst us. It's not from God - it is from our enemy and it has a purpose.

Quote:

Personally I don't support gay marriage. I have 2 friends of mine that got "married"...they were not Christian to my knowledge altho one was an altar boy in a Catholic church...what ever that means in real life.

I don't for a second think it's my "duty" to tell unbelieving homosexuals how they are supposed to live. They don't need to change their behavior...they need to hear the gospel.

For the "believers" that say it's ok to lead a gay lifestyle I would say that they have a "confused" identity and I would teach them the gospel as well.

It's obvious by what they are doing that they don't know what happened to them when they came to Christ. I think the elders in their lives need to sit down with them and teach them the grace of Christ and in some cases to reprove them in this error.

This needs to be done under the direction of the Holy Spirit as He knows exactly what to do with each person individually.

Sometimes people are caught up in sin and don't know how to address it and thus out of frustration they make "excuses" for it because of all their confusion. These need to be taught the truth of who they are in Christ - others may need to be " delivered over to satan for the destruction of the flesh"...this needs to be done by a "spiritual elder"...and seems to be a very rare case in the N.T.

The true grace of the gospel of Christ "teaches" us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live godly in this present age. The final answer to me is to preach Jesus to them.

willfollowsGod, ladylynn, PennEd and 16 others like this.

Here is the reference.

CAN A CHRISTIAN BE PRO-GAY MARRIAGE?

 

[FreeNChrist]

No accusations bud, I've already shown over and over again where your false grace message is filled with all kinds of errors. And since you like reporting me maybe the mods will also like to see where you are promoting salvation for practicing homosexuals and all wilful sinners, which once again proves your false gospel message is full of lies.

Here again is the proof---->>>

Report away!

This from a guy who can't even say that Jesus is God.

 

[Grace777x70]

No accusations bud, I've already shown over and over again where your false grace message is filled with all kinds of errors. And since you like reporting me maybe the mods will also like to see where you are promoting salvation for practicing homosexuals and all wilful sinners, which once again proves your false gospel message is full of lies.

Here again is the proof---->>>



Report away!

Here is a question: All these "works of the flesh" are described by Paul in Gal 5 - as well as "things like these"..

BTW - immorality in this list qualifies for the homosexuality living lifestyle which is in the very same list as "outbursts of anger".

Angela said that she has had outbursts of anger for over 30 years and still has them -

Here is the question:

If she would have died any time after she had an episode of "outbursts of anger" -

- would she go to hell as some people's theology says because she willfully participated in these works of the flesh?

Answer this question ISIT because I want to see what your religion believes concerning the works of the flesh and going to heaven.

( I am not pointing out Angela here - just going by what she said in her past post here to make a point and it is true - we all have things that the Lord is transforming in our outward behavior )

For the record I believe Angela would be safely in her loving Father's arms if she would have died after having an outburst of anger towards someone. That is the grace of Christ in operation.

That's my own opinion. I am not condoning outbursts of anger nor do I say living the homosexual lifestyle as being "ok" - just stating what I believe the gospel of the grace of Christ has done for her.

This very same principle applies to all the works of the flesh - including immorality of which living the homosexual lifestyle is a product of.

Please answer this question in green above. Thank you

 

[garee]

Remember, what Jesus brought was not only the grace of God but also the Truth--->>>

Yes His truth graciously informs us that grace we are freely given comes through the hearing of the word God .It is a product of work of His faith, as a labor of His love .And not of ourselves, as a work we could do according to our own faith . It is God that forms Christ in us causes the growth if there is growth.

John 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Yes the grace that comes from His truth informs that grace is not of a work we could perform and therefore thinking we could is to Blaspheme His Holy name

Colossians 1:6

Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

The salvation grace is not in the world it the fruit of the gospel of grace.

Why does it seem you are doing despite to the grace of God that bought us.?

No man can keep the whole of perfect law of God without sinning . If we the least of the law we will be found guilty of the whole

He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? Heb 10:28

 

[bluto]

I already told you what I believe---->>>>>
1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

So isit, since Jesus Christ is the one Lord does that mean that God the Father is not the Lord God? The "Shema" says, "Hear O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one! Since the "Lord" is one and He is identified in the Shema as God why would you eliminate Jesus Christ from being the Lord God? And don't you ever read the context to understand the point the Apostle Paul is making? Do some homework! And btw, I think I explained to you why Jesus Christ is "NOT" the spoken word of God because He is the "living" word of God in flesh. 1 John 1:1-4.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

So isit, since Jesus Christ is the one Lord does that mean that God the Father is not the Lord God?

Where in the world do you guys get these silly ideas from? There is only One God the Father and His Word. God the Father made His Word both Lord and Christ.

Acts 2:36
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.


1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.