The Unforgiveable Sin

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We’ve all probably read this and scratched our heads wondering if we’ve committed this sin:

Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Matt 12:31 RSV

I was thinking about it the other day and a thought came to mind. Maybe what Jesus is telling us is that if we blasphemy against the Spirit, we will not be forgiven until we apologize to the Lord.
 
wanderer6059

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idk but this is why people should think before they say speaking in tongues id of the devil lol... just saying
 
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No, He's telling you that it is possible to so harden your heart against the Holy Spirit, to the point where you may even ascribe His work to the devil, that you will then never be convicted of your unbelief in Christ. Which is the very work of the Holy Spirit (John 16:8-9). Unbelief cannot, nor does it need to be forgiven, it needs to be corrected.
 
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wanderer6059 said:
idk but this is why people should think before they say speaking in tongues id of the devil lol... just saying
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I get a little tired hearing about churches who claim you are inferior if you don’t speak in tongues. Here’s what Paul said:

[27] If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn; and let one interpret.
[28] But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silence in church and speak to himself and to God. 1 Cor 14:27-28 RSV

There used to be a purpose in speaking in tongues. It seems to me that nowadays it is nothing but a status symbol. When someone speaks some unintelligible words that they claim are tongues, and nobody is there to interpret, what is a person supposed to believe?
 
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resurrection33 said:
I get a little tired hearing about churches who claim you are inferior if you don’t speak in tongues. Here’s what Paul said:

[27] If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn; and let one interpret.
[28] But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silence in church and speak to himself and to God. 1 Cor 14:27-28 RSV

There used to be a purpose in speaking in tongues. It seems to me that nowadays it is nothing but a status symbol. When someone speaks some unintelligible words that they claim are tongues, and nobody is there to interpret, what is a person supposed to believe?
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thats completely right on, people take it to some crazy extremes today. but i tell you what i speak in tongues and i do it in privet pray or in a hushed word, and it does build me up, and there is enough scripture to support it being biblical. why would they write about how to do something in the bible in it were from the devil.
 
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wanderer6059 said:
thats completely right on, people take it to some crazy extremes today. but i tell you what i speak in tongues and i do it in privet pray or in a hushed word, and it does build me up, and there is enough scripture to support it being biblical. why would they write about how to do something in the bible in it were from the devil.
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I've never heard it said before today that it was from the devil.
 
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i have alot, i my past i was even one of them...

and zone said it in another thread today lol
 
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I believe that the division amongst believers over this issue is of the devil, no doubt.

Anything that serpent can do to divide the body is his goal....

What is silly is the idea that it is some type of "proof" necessary to show that you are a believer. That is no more true than saying you are not a believer if you don't have the gift of teaching.. and, believe me, there are a LOT of believers who don't have that gift...
 
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hornetguy said:
I believe that the division amongst believers over this issue is of the devil, no doubt.

Anything that serpent can do to divide the body is his goal....

What is silly is the idea that it is some type of "proof" necessary to show that you are a believer. That is no more true than saying you are not a believer if you don't have the gift of teaching.. and, believe me, there are a LOT of believers who don't have that gift...
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completely... its sad the devil used our own Christ words against us...

A House Divided
…24If a kingdom is divided against itself, it cannot stand. 25If a house is divided against itself, it cannot stand. 26And if Satan is divided and rises against himself, he cannot stand; his end has come.…
 
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The whole point....the Pharisees were attributing the work of Jesus to the power of the devil instead of the Holy Spirit...this is to deny the work of Christ as valid which is a state of UNBELIEF....NO BELIEF = NO FORGIVENESS....you cannot be PARDONED if you will not BELIEVE!
 
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wanderer6059 said:
thats completely right on, people take it to some crazy extremes today. but i tell you what i speak in tongues and i do it in privet pray or in a hushed word, and it does build me up, and there is enough scripture to support it being biblical. why would they write about how to do something in the bible in it were from the devil.
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Rule of biblical interpretation... discerning whether something is intended to be for all times or has a limited time.

Example.. the global flood.. God promised not to do this again, signifying the promise with a rainbow.

Example.. the OT law system.. failed and was superceded by the New Testament system of faith.

And there are other examples.

Point is.. just because something is in the bible.. doesn't mean it's for all time.

So for those who believe tongues have done their job.. fulfilled their purpose.. this is not violating scripture. It's concluding that what causes tongues to be put away.. has already come.

Looking at Ephesians 4, 1 Corinthians 13 and the scripture 'all the law and the prophets were until John'.. among some others scriptures.

Yes Jesus is the 'same yesterday today and forever'.. but even that quote .. the surrounding passage is about the certainty of His return and coming judgment.. not about speaking in tongues.
 
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wanderer6059 said:
idk but this is why people should think before they say speaking in tongues id of the devil lol... just saying
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On the other hand, I have seen this verse to be frequently misused by charismatic leaders.

In the way - "I am speaking of the Holy Spirit and you cannot criticize me, because....[this verse]"

The same way you cannot judge prophecies, the obviously wrong practice during charismatic meetings etc.
 
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resurrection33 said:
We’ve all probably read this and scratched our heads wondering if we’ve committed this sin:

Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Matt 12:31 RSV

I was thinking about it the other day and a thought came to mind. Maybe what Jesus is telling us is that if we blasphemy against the Spirit, we will not be forgiven until we apologize to the Lord.
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Jesus said ones who commit this sin Never have forgivness...

We must understand this in Context and see What the sin is...

Mark 3: KJV
 22 ¶And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.

23 And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?

24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.

25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
26 And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.
27 No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.
28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

Jesus had the Holy Spirit, But the scribes declared that the works that Jesus was doing where being done my the chief of devils whom they called beelzebub but Jesus identified as satan.. They had accused the Holy Spirit of being satan and this is how they blasphemed the Holy Spirit...
 
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resurrection33 said:
We’ve all probably read this and scratched our heads wondering if we’ve committed this sin:

Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Matt 12:31 RSV

I was thinking about it the other day and a thought came to mind. Maybe what Jesus is telling us is that if we blasphemy against the Spirit, we will not be forgiven until we apologize to the Lord.
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Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

That portion of scripture is focused on what we do see as the things of man and what we cannot see, those of God. The principle below would be important when viewing that portion. I think it is the key to help us understand those kind of difficulties .

2Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for "the things which are seen are temporal"; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

I would think it has to so on how we view faith (not seen) in respect to eternal Holy Spirit of Christ, not seen, who temporally dwelt in a body of sin as that seen. Jesus resisted worship because his outward flesh, is not that which profits, but that not seen His Spirit is. God is not man as us.

If man attributes the eternal faith of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God based on that which he sees, they have already committed blasphemy of the Spirit.

We are not to have the faith of Christ ,generated by God which indwells the person in respect to what we do see.

Again having a proper understanding of faith that comes from the Spirit of Christ who works with us as Emanuel is essential in believing him.

A perfect example is found in respect to the commandment below. It becomes will we obey the commandment in James below , or attribute the understanding in respect to men seen .One from my experience that is over looked

Jam 2:1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.

The conclusion

Jam 2:7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?
 
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resurrection33 said:
We’ve all probably read this and scratched our heads wondering if we’ve committed this sin:

Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Matt 12:31 RSV

I was thinking about it the other day and a thought came to mind. Maybe what Jesus is telling us is that if we blasphemy against the Spirit, we will not be forgiven until we apologize to the Lord.
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No, it means it will not be forgiven- ever. It is hard to understand how this could be if you don't understand what it means to grieve the Spirit of Holiness. I seen it in an acquaintance of mine growing up. She really liked black and skulls in her clothing and decor. She liked evil music lyrics and thrashing her head around uncontrollably. When I chose things that were good she called them boring, even if it was behavior. She hated what was good or holy. She literally moaned and grieved if she had to put up with something holy and good.

Now if your soul grieves what is holy, how can you ever bond with a holy God? That is unforgivable- because what fellowship can light have with darkness? It's like a person taking alcohol to an AA meeting for the purpose of getting drunk there- it defeats the purpose. The whole purpose of this physical world and Christianity is to bring the good ones to heaven someday.

So if you have someone who doesn't even WANT to be good, God will not help them be good. I make mistakes, but I genuinely WANT to be holy. Like Paul said, "The good I WANT to do I don't do, and the bad I DONT WANT to do I end up doing." This is true of every Christian. But imagine a Christian who does NOT want to be holy, and grieves the very thought of it- THAT is unforgivable.
 
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