But what if the Christian does not confess His sin?
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Keep in mind I did not say that a believer shouldn't or cannot confess their sins. I am saying that confessing one's sins for forgiveness' sake is contrary to Christ's sacrifice. Sin confession for forgiveness in my understanding ignores Jesus Christ's accomplishments through His sufferings. VVhy would you seek forgiveness for a sin that has already been paid in full by the blood of the Lamb?
Now, yes people can confess their sins to the Lord. Be open and honest. Seek Him and fellowship. No door should be locked as you are His temple. There is nothing wrong with speaking to the Lord about things you find yourself weak to and are "under performing" in terms of holiness. Pray that He continues to sanctify you.
The issue with sin confession for forgiveness is that it replaces Jesus Christ on the cross with some other means of staying saved. Is it your confession in Christ that saves you (faith in Him), or is it your ability to confess your sins on a daily basis? Is He your Savior or are you depending upon yourself, through sin confession to be able to take hold of eternal salvation?
Again, its not so much so sin confession itself that is the issue, but the intent behind it. Are you trying to be forgiven through some other means than Christ's sacrifice? For what reason did Christ die if its all up to you to be saved? Sin confession for forgiveness is a doctrine that tries to supersede Christ's atonement, as if one is in a race and Jesus passed us the baton (known as sin confession).
People can confess their sins, but in terms of forgiveness look no further than Jesus and what He did not only for us, but the world.
Now, yes people can confess their sins to the Lord. Be open and honest. Seek Him and fellowship. No door should be locked as you are His temple. There is nothing wrong with speaking to the Lord about things you find yourself weak to and are "under performing" in terms of holiness. Pray that He continues to sanctify you.
The issue with sin confession for forgiveness is that it replaces Jesus Christ on the cross with some other means of staying saved. Is it your confession in Christ that saves you (faith in Him), or is it your ability to confess your sins on a daily basis? Is He your Savior or are you depending upon yourself, through sin confession to be able to take hold of eternal salvation?
Again, its not so much so sin confession itself that is the issue, but the intent behind it. Are you trying to be forgiven through some other means than Christ's sacrifice? For what reason did Christ die if its all up to you to be saved? Sin confession for forgiveness is a doctrine that tries to supersede Christ's atonement, as if one is in a race and Jesus passed us the baton (known as sin confession).
People can confess their sins, but in terms of forgiveness look no further than Jesus and what He did not only for us, but the world.
How do you want to accept Christs sacrifice if you dont confess and come to him with what he sacrificed himself for in the first place?
How does he pay and forgive for something that doesnt get given to him?
It may be your understanding but its not my understanding
I very much believe people can go to heaven without agreeing with me.
Of course he died for our sins and suffered for them. But I dont see him being able to have suffered for something no one gives up to him.
If things were like that, everyone who says he accepts Christ, can do whatever they want. If someone aborted, she doesnt have to confess it? Because you dont find it relevant as it may ''ignore Christs accomplishments''?
Same with other sins.
How does he pay and forgive for something that doesnt get given to him?
It may be your understanding but its not my understanding
I very much believe people can go to heaven without agreeing with me. Of course he died for our sins and suffered for them. But I dont see him being able to have suffered for something no one gives up to him.
If things were like that, everyone who says he accepts Christ, can do whatever they want. If someone aborted, she doesnt have to confess it? Because you dont find it relevant as it may ''ignore Christs accomplishments''?
Same with other sins.
Breaking the law is a sin. Speeding is breaking the law. People crash by speeding. People die in car accidents. When a person dies from a car accident, that person lost the opportunity to ask forgiveness for speeding. No matter what the action, sin is still sin to God. So in that person's final act (speeding), does God send that person to hell because he/she failed to repent of the final act? This is your line of logic.
Many people believe as Trump does about forgiveness.
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How do you want to accept Christs sacrifice if you dont confess and come to him with what he sacrificed himself for in the first place?
How does he pay and forgive for something that doesnt get given to him?
It may be your understanding but its not my understanding I very much believe people can go to heaven without agreeing with me.
Of course he died for our sins and suffered for them. But I dont see him being able to have suffered for something no one gives up to him.
If things were like that, everyone who says he accepts Christ, can do whatever they want. If someone aborted, she doesnt have to confess it? Because you dont find it relevant as it may ''ignore Christs accomplishments''?
Same with other sins.
How does he pay and forgive for something that doesnt get given to him?
It may be your understanding but its not my understanding
I very much believe people can go to heaven without agreeing with me. Of course he died for our sins and suffered for them. But I dont see him being able to have suffered for something no one gives up to him.
If things were like that, everyone who says he accepts Christ, can do whatever they want. If someone aborted, she doesnt have to confess it? Because you dont find it relevant as it may ''ignore Christs accomplishments''?
Same with other sins.
Belief and faith are the means to salvation, right? No man has entered Heaven by his own merit but through imputation. Saved by grace through faith. It is through Christ's sacrifice that we are justified and reconciled with God. Our sin blotted out and Him no longer seeing our sin (because He remembers them no more) but rather Jesus Christ's imputed righteousness. Our salvation is not dependent upon us, but rather in Jesus. Adam's sin got imputed to us, our sin to Christ, and Jesus' righteousness to us. So then, our sin is no longer a barrier between us and God because Jesus tore the veil. He took care of what alienated us from God. He paid the penalty for sin and in doing such we are forgiven.
All of this accomplished outside of sin confession for forgiveness. The only sin confession for forgiveness that happens in the believer's life is prior to being born again. They confess their sinfulness to God, their necessity of Christ, and then receive Him as savior unto eternal life. Its so very simple. Lets not complicate it with a doctrine that undermines what Jesus truly accomplished through His suffering and resurrection. VVe are forgiven, washed clean by the blood of Christ.
There is therefore now no condemnation for those that are in Christ Jesus. Praise God.
M
Swaggart really said this???
The sooner we confess the sooner we will be forgiven. IF or when we sin we must confess that particular sin. We need not ever sin again after that, but IF we sin again we have an advocate who will always forgive us as long as we ask Him to. 1john 1:9 is a conditional promise, the condition is that "IF we ask" The promise is He will forgive. The best part of this promise is that He will cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness at that moment, meaning that we are sinless and we never have to sin again.
The sooner we confess the sooner we will be forgiven. IF or when we sin we must confess that particular sin. We need not ever sin again after that, but IF we sin again we have an advocate who will always forgive us as long as we ask Him to. 1john 1:9 is a conditional promise, the condition is that "IF we ask" The promise is He will forgive. The best part of this promise is that He will cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness at that moment, meaning that we are sinless and we never have to sin again.
M
The Lord impressed me from the beginning that I must ask Him to reveal my past sins so I can confess them and He will forgive them. Remember the job of the Comforter is to reprove, or convict us of sin and righteousness and judgment John 16:7&8. As the Lord reveals our past sins He also makes a way to make amends to those we have sinned against. No need for us to try to conjure up all our past sins unless the Comforter does reveal them to us. But if we are convicted we must adhere to that conviction, and not try to run from it. The sure way to tell if our convictions are from God is found in the book of Isaiah:8:20: "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." Every Christian act must adhere to this rule that God gave us so we can not be deceived.
I was raised a catholic, I was an alter boy. A couple sundays I stole a nickel here a dime there for a candy bar after church. About 50 cents altogether. 20 years later the Lord convicted me to repay that money I stole. Like we are told in Ezekiel:33:15: "If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die." It took years of battling against the conviction. Finally one day on my way home from work my motorcycle steered its way to the local catholic church. I was impressed to give the priest 20.00. What a blessing that was for both of us. He told me he would not press charges, which I never even thought about. My mom had a similar experience, but hers was near impossible to carry out, but the Lord made a way and all involved were converted because of her honesty.
I was raised a catholic, I was an alter boy. A couple sundays I stole a nickel here a dime there for a candy bar after church. About 50 cents altogether. 20 years later the Lord convicted me to repay that money I stole. Like we are told in Ezekiel:33:15: "If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die." It took years of battling against the conviction. Finally one day on my way home from work my motorcycle steered its way to the local catholic church. I was impressed to give the priest 20.00. What a blessing that was for both of us. He told me he would not press charges, which I never even thought about. My mom had a similar experience, but hers was near impossible to carry out, but the Lord made a way and all involved were converted because of her honesty.
M
If what you say is true why did John write 1 john? Especially chapter 1:9. John wrote around ad 90.
Here is what Paul writes about what Jesus did as the propitiation for the remission of sins found in Romans:3:25: "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;" God will only forgive the sins of our past, but only as John writes IF we confess them 1 John 1:9
John wrote in 1John:3:8: "He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil." so how can we be "of the devil" and Christ's at the same time? Only through confession and repentance, no matter how often we must do it. Jesus said "ask and you shall receive" He did not say ask once. We must continue to ask for everything God offers us freely. We are to ask for the Holy Spirit and He will freely give it, but only to those who obey Him according to Acts:5:32: "And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him."
Here is what Paul writes about what Jesus did as the propitiation for the remission of sins found in Romans:3:25: "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;" God will only forgive the sins of our past, but only as John writes IF we confess them 1 John 1:9
John wrote in 1John:3:8: "He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil." so how can we be "of the devil" and Christ's at the same time? Only through confession and repentance, no matter how often we must do it. Jesus said "ask and you shall receive" He did not say ask once. We must continue to ask for everything God offers us freely. We are to ask for the Holy Spirit and He will freely give it, but only to those who obey Him according to Acts:5:32: "And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him."
I do not understand what the deal is,for what is hard about telling God you are sorry for your sins.
If you offend your wife or another person you tell them sorry,which is so important that Jesus said leave your gift at the altar and go reconcile with the person,and then go offer your gift,and shall we not say we are sorry to God,which reconciles us to God.
Jesus' blood washes away sins,and gives forgiveness,but it does not take away responsibility of the believer,the same as the Old Testament.
Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins[James 5;19-20].
If you offend your wife or another person you tell them sorry,which is so important that Jesus said leave your gift at the altar and go reconcile with the person,and then go offer your gift,and shall we not say we are sorry to God,which reconciles us to God.
Jesus' blood washes away sins,and gives forgiveness,but it does not take away responsibility of the believer,the same as the Old Testament.
Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins[James 5;19-20].
if one believes that repentance is a one time deal, then they are denying Jesus Christ position,
and sacrifice...
upon conversion, we are assured that ALL of our 'past-sins' are forgiven, washed, a clean slate...
after conversion, when we betray our Saviour, He has made a way for us to be cleansed, by
going to Him in sorrowful Repentance - the Holy Spirit convicts us of our betrayals and leads
us to our Saviour because of our Love for Him, and He forgives us and gives us the strength
and power to 'over-come' our 'old-man-worldly-ways......the world so hates this Blessing
through the death and resurrection of our Holy Saviour, so much so, that so many don't believe
that they can actually confess and that Jesus will give us forgivness, and the strength and power
to 'over-come' and so grow into the 'new-man', that He expects of us and that we only desire
to become -
another words, His chosen people, who do everything in their power to obey, serve and please Him,
never counting the cost, but only counting the benefits that He so lovingly has promised to us...
and sacrifice...
upon conversion, we are assured that ALL of our 'past-sins' are forgiven, washed, a clean slate...
after conversion, when we betray our Saviour, He has made a way for us to be cleansed, by
going to Him in sorrowful Repentance - the Holy Spirit convicts us of our betrayals and leads
us to our Saviour because of our Love for Him, and He forgives us and gives us the strength
and power to 'over-come' our 'old-man-worldly-ways......the world so hates this Blessing
through the death and resurrection of our Holy Saviour, so much so, that so many don't believe
that they can actually confess and that Jesus will give us forgivness, and the strength and power
to 'over-come' and so grow into the 'new-man', that He expects of us and that we only desire
to become -
another words, His chosen people, who do everything in their power to obey, serve and please Him,
never counting the cost, but only counting the benefits that He so lovingly has promised to us...
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Your argument, of course, is that this one who is erring from the truth is a genuine Christian who will lose his salvation if he does not turn from "the error of his way." Notice how this erring is not specifically spelled out which leads to a vague conclusion. Another argument is that this one who has wandered from the truth is a "professing" Christian, whose faith is not genuine and he will experience eternal death if he is not converted unto salvation. A third argument is that this one who has wandered from the truth is a genuine Christian who needs to be converted from "the error of his way" (not converted to salvation) or else experience premature physical death. This third interpretation supports the argument that the word soul (Gr psyche) may mean "life," and that the clause would be taken as a warning that backsliding may end in physical death. James is addressed the Brethren, but says if anyone "AMONG" you. Among us but not of us?
In regards to turning back the wanderer from error, the arguments for OSAS is the wanderer is either a professing Christian, whose faith is not genuine or a sinning Christian, who needs to be restored. For the former, the death spoken of in vs. 20 is the "second death" (Revelation 21:8); for the latter, it is "physical death" (1 Corinthians 5:1-5; 11:29-32; 1 John 5:16).
In Matthew 26:38, Jesus said: "My soul [psuche] is deeply grieved, to the point of death." Jesus was not saying that His soul was deeply grieved to the point of spiritual death, Rather, Jesus was talking about his human life. Jesus covered our sins in one way by bringing forgiveness for all who believe, yet sins can also be covered in a different way. In Proverbs 10:12, we read: Hatred stirs up strife, But love covers all sins. In 1 Peter 4:8, we read: And above all things have fervent love for one another, for "love will cover a multitude of sins." Where there is strife, there is hatred and unless love prevails, the strife will get worse. Love covers offences and sins when a believer turns back from error.
In regards to turning back the wanderer from error, the arguments for OSAS is the wanderer is either a professing Christian, whose faith is not genuine or a sinning Christian, who needs to be restored. For the former, the death spoken of in vs. 20 is the "second death" (Revelation 21:8); for the latter, it is "physical death" (1 Corinthians 5:1-5; 11:29-32; 1 John 5:16).
In Matthew 26:38, Jesus said: "My soul [psuche] is deeply grieved, to the point of death." Jesus was not saying that His soul was deeply grieved to the point of spiritual death, Rather, Jesus was talking about his human life. Jesus covered our sins in one way by bringing forgiveness for all who believe, yet sins can also be covered in a different way. In Proverbs 10:12, we read: Hatred stirs up strife, But love covers all sins. In 1 Peter 4:8, we read: And above all things have fervent love for one another, for "love will cover a multitude of sins." Where there is strife, there is hatred and unless love prevails, the strife will get worse. Love covers offences and sins when a believer turns back from error.
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a wonderful post, we can only 'turn-around' through repentance in our Holy Saviour's sacrifice,
who sits on the right hand of God as our Holy Intercessor...only through our Love and submission
for Him and our Trust in His Sacrifice can we truly 'over-come' our 'old-man-behaviour' and become
the 'new man' that He so desires us to become...if we don't believe that we can be pardoned by our
'confessions', then we will forever remain the same, and will be denying that He intercedes for us
each and every time The Holy Spirit 'convicts' us of our shaming Him through our sins...
1JOHN 1:9.
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
a wonderful post, we can only 'turn-around' through repentance in our Holy Saviour's sacrifice,
who sits on the right hand of God as our Holy Intercessor...only through our Love and submission
for Him and our Trust in His Sacrifice can we truly 'over-come' our 'old-man-behaviour' and become
the 'new man' that He so desires us to become...if we don't believe that we can be pardoned by our
'confessions', then we will forever remain the same, and will be denying that He intercedes for us
each and every time The Holy Spirit 'convicts' us of our shaming Him through our sins...
1JOHN 1:9.
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Even if James were speaking of Christians, then physical death needs to be considered, as I shared in post #56. The NAS, ESV and NKJV all say if any/anyone AMONG you strays/wanders from the truth.. What we really need is a verse that specifically says a really "saved" person really "lost their salvation" in order to absolutely prove that's the case.