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williamjordan

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It takes true growth, and maturity to understand this.

It wasn’t until the crucifixion that the new covenant took effect. Thus, while Jesus walked this earth the old covenant was still in force.

“For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.

For where a will is involved, the death of the one who made it must be established. For a will takes effect only at death, since it is not in force as long as the one who made it is alive. Therefore not even the first covenant was inaugurated without blood.” (Hebrews 9.13–17)

Paul very much distinguishes between the “ministry of death, carved in letters on stone,” as that which once had glory, and the “ministry of the Spirit,” which surpasses it in glory (2 Corinthians 3). His point being that while Christians are not bound by the letter of the law, God has written on their hearts. The Spirit will guide, and restrain. They will no longer do what is “required” of them, but will act in accordance with their new nature (Romans 2.12–16).
 
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It takes true growth, and maturity to understand this.

It wasn’t until the crucifixion that the new covenant took effect. Thus, while Jesus walked this earth the old covenant was still in force.

“For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.

For where a will is involved, the death of the one who made it must be established. For a will takes effect only at death, since it is not in force as long as the one who made it is alive. Therefore not even the first covenant was inaugurated without blood.” (Hebrews 9.13–17)

Paul very much distinguishes between the “ministry of death, carved in letters on stone,” as that which once had glory, and the “ministry of the Spirit,” which surpasses it in glory (2 Corinthians 3). His point being that while Christians are not bound by the letter of the law, God has written on their hearts. The Spirit will guide, and restrain. They will no longer do what is “required” of them, but will act in accordance with their new nature (Romans 2.12–16).
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john 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: THE WORDS I SPEAK UNTO YOU , they ARE SPIRIT AND LIFE."

Paul absolutely distinguished between the mosaic covenant ( stone) and the New which is the gospel. Jesus made the distinction between the Law and His ministry is the thing. Paul was only testifying of Hos Lord and Savior He was doing the same things the prophets were doing in the Old. Jesus IS the new covenant, the seed through whom all nations would be blessed. His will is found in thee words He spoke, and THAT is what is put into effect by His death. His death fulfills the Law and His blood puts HIUS WILL into effect, or in authority. His will, Jesus will is the Gospel, the things He said to His disciples to actually do is what im saying. the fact that His death fulfilledthe old covenant, i agree with entirely.

Im saying that Just Like moses first gave all the commands of the Law, Jesus gave all the commands of the spirit. and then Just as Moses then sprinkled the blood that put the first into effect, Jesus shed His own blood that put His into effect. it doesnt change anything to understand the Jews were under the first covenant, those who hoped in that covenant, are they who denied Jesus, whom the first covenant testified of. Jesus death and resurrection doesnt change the Gospel in any way His words are absolutely 100 percent Christian Doctrine

Matthew 28:16-20 "
Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. 18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

This ^^^^ was spoken after Jesus rose from the dead. and is a clear command to those He was teaching in the Gospels, to Go into the world and teach the same things He taught them, incuding that they are to obey everything He taught the disciples. the letters of stone werethe mosaic covenant, that ended at the cross, but Jesus authority was from His ministry beginning. Hos words are Him giving the commands of the spirit that we are suppose to follow. what validated that was His own Blood shed Just as the example is given in Hebrews how moses Gave the first covenant.

Yes the first covenant atogether is fulfilled, we have a new law of the spirit, the spirit is guided By Jesus words and gets into our hearts By the words of Jesus the MEDIATOR of this covenant as a high priest in the order of Melchezidek who was High opriest of God BEFORE the Law ever came through Moses. the law didnt come until long after the flood. Melchezidek came with the BREAD AND WINE in abrahams day when the Law was yet to be given, moses came and established the Law 430 years later through the levitical priesthood. Melchezidek had nothing to do with the mosaic Law, when the Law came, the order was changed from melchezidek, to aaron and then the levitical priests because the covenant we belong to , is that which was before the Law came, the One that abraham belonged to through the High priest Melchezidek, King of Peace.

The Law has nothing to do with the New covenant, it was for mans wisdom and learning, placed Between melchezideks priesthood and Jesus Priesthood. the levitical preisthood, and the Law was new=ver for salvation but for preservation of men until the seed of the abrahamic promise had come with the eternal covenant, the covenant of Faithfulness from faith.

Grace, has alays been part of God, He made adam in His grace, blessed adam in His grace, gave adam dominion in Hois grace......adam still sinned and fell from that Grace. the bible starts out with man in intimate relationship with God free to eat from the tree of Life, in the middle man follows the will of the enemy and loses His right to eat from the tree of Life, the end is the Savior who comes to save those who had fallen into sin and death having lost a hope of life..... and the end result for those who trust in Jesus Christ.....is again man in intimate relationship with God, free to eat from the tree of Life and live for ever.