"replacement theology" - what is it?

[Ahwatukee]

By that logic I guess you think Judas was just fulfilling his God given duty in betraying Christ. God used him just like he used the Jews... any wicked Christ hating group could have done the job, but God used the Christ hating Jews. Does that mean the Jews didn't kill Christ.

Hello KJV,

All I know is that, the scripture was written before hand and all scripture must be fulfilled. Regarding Judas, it was written of him:

"Even my close friend in whom I trusted, Who ate my bread, Has lifted up his heel against me."

Is it not written, "see, I lay a stumbling stone in Zion that will cause men to stumble"

God has mercy upon whom he will have mercy and compassion upon whom he will have compassion. It therefore does not depend on man's efforts.

 

[KJV1611]

Hello KJV,

All I know is that, the scripture was written before hand and all scripture must be fulfilled. Regarding Judas, it was written of him:

"Even my close friend in whom I trusted, Who ate my bread, Has lifted up his heel against me."

God has mercy upon whom he will have mercy and compassion upon whom he will have compassion. It therefore does not depend on man's efforts.

Judas fit the bill for the job, it could have been any number of wicked people. Same with the Jews, God could have chosen wicked Romans to DEMAND he be killed but he chose the wicked Jews to do the job. The way it turned out, the Jews killed Jesus.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

So has anyone answered yet Rob, or is it still the eternal dance around the question?

 

[Bladerunner]

Hello KJV,

All I know is that, the scripture was written before hand and all scripture must be fulfilled. Regarding Judas, it was written of him:

"Even my close friend in whom I trusted, Who ate my bread, Has lifted up his heel against me."

Is it not written, "see, I lay a stumbling stone in Zion that will cause men to stumble"

God has mercy upon whom he will have mercy and compassion upon whom he will have compassion. It therefore does not depend on man's efforts.

Hey my friend, I see you are still at it with no sweat on your brow.

I want to wish a very Merry Christmas to you and your family. May it bring all the Love and Blessings of Jesus Christ throughout the coming Year.

 

[KJV1611]

So has anyone answered yet Rob, or is it still the eternal dance around the question?

We will never get an honest answer to that question from that side because that would mean they have been wrong all this time. I'm pretty sure they would rather ignore the truth of that verse to uphold their doctrine rather than believe the truth.

 

[psalm6819]

I thinks she is talking about this.

1 Thessalonians 2:14-15 KJV
For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:
[15] Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:

No, I'm talking about the GOSPEL. What's your version of it?

Does the death of Jesus Christ have anything to do with it?????

 

[Spurgeoncy]

They killed HIM?????????? You beleive that He died because He had no choice????????????

Jesus was crucified for the sin of the world, He could have stopped it at ANY moment

It was love for us that held Him to the cross not the nails driven by mortal men

He had no choice, as he said, he and his father were one. His father's will was his will.

While you are here Psalm 8918

Not all Israel are of Israel - this clearly shows that the flesh children are not the real Israel. Agree or disagree?

 

[KJV1611]

No, I'm talking about the GOSPEL. What's your version of it?

Does the death of Jesus Christ have anything to do with it?????

I wasn't talking about you I was talking about what Spurgeoncy was talking about.

 

[psalm6819]

By that logic I guess you think Judas was just fulfilling his God given duty in betraying Christ. God used him just like he used the Jews... any wicked Christ hating group could have done the job, but God used the Christ hating Jews. Does that mean the Jews didn't kill Christ.

Jesus was the propitiation for our sin that is why He died at the hands of the Romans at the behest of the religious establishment but only by obeidance to the will of the Father.

Do you know some other way of redemption?

 

[Spurgeoncy]

The Jews roping the Romans in to do their dirty business was a very bad mistake.

When the Romans figured out they'd been played for a patsy, they came back and taught the Jews a very big lesson.

i think anyone would take umbrage at being roped in to murder God...

 

[psalm6819]

He had no choice, as he said, he and his father were one. His father's will was his will.

While you are here Psalm 8918

Not all Israel are of Israel - this clearly shows that the flesh children are not the real Israel. Agree or disagree?

You have your version of truth but I can't agree with you cuz then we'd both be wrong

since there will be no meeting of the minds here I'll just leave this alone

 

[Bladerunner]

He had no choice, as he said, he and his father were one. His father's will was his will.

While you are here Psalm 8918

Not all Israel are of Israel - this clearly shows that the flesh children are not the real Israel. Agree or disagree?

It appears you are one of those fleshy/spiritual beings..........


Israel is God's time clock.....The Jewish People are His Chosen People

The way you are going, you may never know where you went wrong.

 

[KJV1611]

Jesus was the propitiation for our sin that is why He died at the hands of the Romans at the behest of the religious establishment but only by obeidance to the will of the Father.

Do you know some other way of redemption?

I'm not arguing that Jesus wasn't here to die. I'm just saying that God used the wicked Jews to accomplish the sacrifice. The bible clearly says that the Jews killed the Lord.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

Still no answer Rob?

Oh here comes blade runner... or shall we call him Flymo?

 

[KJV1611]

He had no choice, as he said, he and his father were one. His father's will was his will.

While you are here Psalm 8918

Not all Israel are of Israel - this clearly shows that the flesh children are not the real Israel. Agree or disagree?

Give up lol, that side will not touch that verse.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

It seemed rude not to ask though ....

 

[PennEd]

The replacement theologisists that despise the jews at their own peril, can rejoice with their friend obama, and Islam tonight!

[h=1]BREAKING: Obama Officially Betrays Israel, Stabs American Ally in the Back[/h]By
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The Obama Administration made a stunning break with policy on Friday by not vetoing a dangerous anti-Israel resolution at the United Nations.
The resolution demands Israel stop letting Jews live in the so-called West Bank and the eastern side of Jerusalem. Because it was voted on in the Security Council, it carries much more weight.

The resolution passed by a vote of 14-0, with one abstention – the United States.
As a matter of policy, every previous president has vetoed anti-Israel resolutions in the Security Council. This was done to protect Israel, one of America’s closest allies in the world, from harsh sanctions.
But Israel said Obama was determined to finally get his revenge on Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
“The US administration secretly cooked up with the Palestinians an extreme anti-Israeli resolution behind Israel’s back,” a government source in Jerusalem told The Times of Israel.
He went on to explain that Obama had not simply made a point by have the US abstain on the vote.

The passing of this resolution will provide “a tailwind for terror and boycotts and effectively make the Western Wall occupied Palestinian territory.”
Earlier this month, Obama did indeed meet with Palestinians and Egyptian officials regarding a UN resolution. Already at the time, Jerusalem feared Obama would make some spiteful move against both the Jewish state and President-elect Donald Trump.

Trump on Friday tried to get the resolution removed by making an urgent phone call to Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi.
[h=3]BETRAYAL[/h]But Trump shouldn’t even have had to do that. Obama has effectively betrayed perhaps America’s closest friend and a key strategic ally. Just because he didn’t like their prime minister.
This is childish, not presidential.
“This is an abandonment of Israel which breaks decades of US policy of protecting Israel at the UN and undermines the prospects of working with the next administration of advancing peace,” said the Israeli official.

But Obama likely no longer cares whether or not peace is achieved. He was unable to achieve it, so why should anyone else.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

Well there is your answer zone

replacement Theology is something to with Islam and Obama

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I see a transexual and his husband refusing to eat pork....

 

[Bladerunner]

I'm not arguing that Jesus wasn't here to die. I'm just saying that God used the wicked Jews to accomplish the sacrifice. The bible clearly says that the Jews killed the Lord.

what about the ancient prophecies that tell to the exact day when Jeus will ride into Jerusalem, three days before he was Crucified?

What about the prophecies that told us how and when Jesus was going to die from Genesis on up?.

While the Pharisees clearly wanted Jesus NOT to be the Messiah, they followed prophecy and crucified him.

oh, one other thing about this thread. A comment it made about the 70AD destruction of the temple that was Prophesied by Jesus some 35 years before it happened. MAT 24:1-3

What about the Christians Jesus saved that day. Not one was killed because of Luke 21: 21

What about the prophecy of Daniel about the destruction of the temple after the Messiah had come,,,not before.

and What about the prophecy you and others keep throwing around that the Abomination of Desolation happened in 70 AD, the one that is in Daniel 9:27...NOT SO!!!.

Here is a historical account where the temple in 70AD was inadvertently set on fire. Therefore there could be no AD??????

Josephus speaks of the house to house fighting that occurred:

These Romans put the Jews to flight, and proceeded as far as the holy house itself. At which time one of the soldiers, without staying for any orders, and without any concern or dread upon him at so great an undertaking, and being hurried on by a certain divine fury, snatched some what out of the materials that were on fire, and being lifted up by another soldier, he set fire to a golden window, through which there was a passage to the rooms that were round about the holy house, on the north side of it. As the flames went upward, the Jews made a great clamour, such as so mighty an affliction required, and ran together to prevent it; and now they spared not their lives any longer, nor suffered anything to restrain their force, since that holy house was perishing . . . thus it was the holy house burnt down . . . Nor can one imagine any thing greater or more terrible than this noise; for there was at once a shout of the Roman Legions, who were marching all together, and a sad clamour of the seditious, who were now surrounded with fire and sword . . . the people under a great consternation, made sad moans at the calamity they were under . . . Yet was the misery itself more terrible than this disorder; for one would have thought that the hill itself, on which the Temple stood, was seething hot, as full of fire on every part of it. (Ref. 4)

Thus the Abomination of Desolation did not happen in 70AD.... It will happen in the near future. I thing you and others had better change your tune or risk being left behind.

Have a Merry Christmas.

 

[KJV1611]

what about the ancient prophecies that tell to the exact day when Jeus will ride into Jerusalem, three days before he was Crucified?

What about the prophecies that told us how and when Jesus was going to die from Genesis on up?.

While the Pharisees clearly wanted Jesus NOT to be the Messiah, they followed prophecy and crucified him.

oh, one other thing about this thread. A comment it made about the 70AD destruction of the temple that was Prophesied by Jesus some 35 years before it happened. MAT 24:1-3

What about the Christians Jesus saved that day. Not one was killed because of Luke 21: 21

What about the prophecy of Daniel about the destruction of the temple after the Messiah had come,,,not before.

and What about the prophecy you and others keep throwing around that the Abomination of Desolation happened in 70 AD, the one that is in Daniel 9:27...NOT SO!!!.

Here is a historical account where the temple in 70AD was inadvertently set on fire. Therefore there could be no AD??????

Josephus speaks of the house to house fighting that occurred:

These Romans put the Jews to flight, and proceeded as far as the holy house itself. At which time one of the soldiers, without staying for any orders, and without any concern or dread upon him at so great an undertaking, and being hurried on by a certain divine fury, snatched some what out of the materials that were on fire, and being lifted up by another soldier, he set fire to a golden window, through which there was a passage to the rooms that were round about the holy house, on the north side of it. As the flames went upward, the Jews made a great clamour, such as so mighty an affliction required, and ran together to prevent it; and now they spared not their lives any longer, nor suffered anything to restrain their force, since that holy house was perishing . . . thus it was the holy house burnt down . . . Nor can one imagine any thing greater or more terrible than this noise; for there was at once a shout of the Roman Legions, who were marching all together, and a sad clamour of the seditious, who were now surrounded with fire and sword . . . the people under a great consternation, made sad moans at the calamity they were under . . . Yet was the misery itself more terrible than this disorder; for one would have thought that the hill itself, on which the Temple stood, was seething hot, as full of fire on every part of it. (Ref. 4)

Thus the Abomination of Desolation did not happen in 70AD.... It will happen in the near future. I thing you and others had better change your tune or risk being left behind.

Have a Merry Christmas.

They were prophecies about the Jews because God knows the end from the beginning. God didn't predestine the Jews to HATE Jesus, he FOREKNEW they would hate him.