"replacement theology" - what is it?
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The children of the promise are in the process of becoming sons but flesh Israel isn't. Remember, the bible says that the children of the FLESH are NOT the children of God.... Flesh descendants aren't children.
Romans 9:8 KJV
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Romans 9:8 KJV
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
recap of God’s Promises to Abrahams seed, or [physical descendants]
¦Genesis 12:1-2 | God promises Abraham that his descendants will become a great nation.
¦Genesis 17:1-6 | God promises Abraham will be a father of many nations, not just one.
¦Genesis 22:16-18 | God promises that the birthright nations among Abraham’s descendants
will possess the gates (access points) of their enemies.
¦Genesis 26:3-5 | God promises the birthright nations will multiply as the stars of heaven.
¦Genesis 27:26-29 God promises the birthright nations will become wealthy and ruleover other nations
¦Genesis 28:13-14 | God promises that the birthright nations will spread worldwide.
¦Genesis 35:11 | God promises that the birthright nations will become
“a nation and a company of nations.”
Genesis 48, Abraham’s grandson Jacob—whom God renamed Israel—
specifically assigned his name to Ephraim and Manasseh,
saying that one of these descendants would become a “great” people,
and that the other would become a “multitude of nations”.
“By myself have I sworn, saith the [Eternal],
because thou hast done,not withheld thy only son
That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will
multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand
which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the
gates ofhis enemies.
The promise now is [unconditional].
This legacy guaranteed on the authority of God Almighty
unconditionally, multitudinous population,untold wealth
and material resources, national greatness
and world power!owning enemys [sea] gates
Again The spiritual promises,the promises of the “one seed,”Christ,
and of salvation through Him—Bible calls the scepter.
But the material and national promises relating to many
nations, national wealth, prosperity and power, and possession
of the Holy Land, the Bible calls the birthright.
Both the birthright and the scepter were repromised
by the Eternal to Abraham and Isaac and to Jacob then split.
The sceptre shall not depart from Judah …” (Genesis 49:10).
But the birthright was Joseph’s” (1 Chronicles 5:2).
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He fulfilled the covenant He made with Abraham. But, for His body, He left us His will. His words and Pauls revelation.
Rev_21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Basically, the new covenant is I have saved you by my death and resurrection and I ask you to believe. Believing sets it in motion.
I don't know why this gets skipped over. Many Christians have challenged me on this. Jesus died and left us an inheritance. Never for Israel, the nation, has this been done.
Rev_21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Basically, the new covenant is I have saved you by my death and resurrection and I ask you to believe. Believing sets it in motion.
I don't know why this gets skipped over. Many Christians have challenged me on this. Jesus died and left us an inheritance. Never for Israel, the nation, has this been done.
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I don't think the Abrahamic Covenant ever really disappeared though.
There were always people of faith in Israel.
When Habbakuk prophesied of the imminent Assyrian invasion, he said the evil would be cut down, but
'the just would live by faith'
Hebrews 11
32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions.
34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
38 (Of whom the world was not worthy
they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
There were always people of faith in Israel.
When Habbakuk prophesied of the imminent Assyrian invasion, he said the evil would be cut down, but
'the just would live by faith'
Hebrews 11
32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions.
34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
38 (Of whom the world was not worthy
they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
What about the promises to King David.
David succeeded Saul. David sat on the Eternal’s throne.
1 Chronicles 29:23
Then Solomon sat on the throne of the Lord as king instead of David his father,
2 Chronicles 9:8)
Blessed be the Lord thy God, which delighted in thee to set thee on his throne,
to be king for the Lord thy God:
because thy God loved Israel, to establish them for ever,
therefore made he thee king over them, to do judgment and justice.
2 Samuel 23:1, 5
1“Now these be the last words of David.
5Although my house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me
an [everlasting covenant], [ordered in all things, and sure]:
“And it came to pass that night, that the word of the Lord came unto Nathan,
saying, Go and tell my servant David, Thus saith the Lord, Shalt thou build me
an house for me to dwell in,
[W]hen thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers,
I will set up thy seed after thee,
which shall proceed out of thy bowels [Solomon], and I will establish [his] kingdom.
[He shall build] an house for my name,
and I will stablish the throne of [his kingdom] for ever.
I will be his father, and he shall be my son. [Solomon]
David’s [son] Solomon succeeded him, also sitting on the Eternal’s throne.
David’s [son] Solomon built an house for God.
If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with (the rod of men),
and with the stripes of the children of men:
But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul,
whom I put away before thee. And thine house and thy kingdom shall be
established for ever before thee:
-people think above verses is about Jesus and not Solomon,
but companion verse below shows it was Davids physical seed then.
28My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.
29His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and [his throne as the days] of heaven.
30If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;
31If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;
32Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.
33Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my
faithfulness to fail.
34My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
35Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
36His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.
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3I have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto [David my servant],
4Thy seed will I establish for ever, and [build up thy throne] [to all generations]. Selah.
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5Ought ye not to know that the Lord God of Israel gave the kingdom over
Israel to David for ever, even to him and to his sons by a covenant of salt?
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this is part of the septer promise,[ to be kings-rulers] and priests-[teachers]
David succeeded Saul. David sat on the Eternal’s throne.
1 Chronicles 29:23
Then Solomon sat on the throne of the Lord as king instead of David his father,
2 Chronicles 9:8)
Blessed be the Lord thy God, which delighted in thee to set thee on his throne,
to be king for the Lord thy God:
because thy God loved Israel, to establish them for ever,
therefore made he thee king over them, to do judgment and justice.
2 Samuel 23:1, 5
1“Now these be the last words of David.
5Although my house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me
an [everlasting covenant], [ordered in all things, and sure]:
“And it came to pass that night, that the word of the Lord came unto Nathan,
saying, Go and tell my servant David, Thus saith the Lord, Shalt thou build me
an house for me to dwell in,
[W]hen thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers,
I will set up thy seed after thee,
which shall proceed out of thy bowels [Solomon], and I will establish [his] kingdom.
[He shall build] an house for my name,
and I will stablish the throne of [his kingdom] for ever.
I will be his father, and he shall be my son. [Solomon]
David’s [son] Solomon succeeded him, also sitting on the Eternal’s throne.
David’s [son] Solomon built an house for God.
If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with (the rod of men),
and with the stripes of the children of men:
But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul,
whom I put away before thee. And thine house and thy kingdom shall be
established for ever before thee:
-people think above verses is about Jesus and not Solomon,
but companion verse below shows it was Davids physical seed then.
28My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.
29His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and [his throne as the days] of heaven.
30If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;
31If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;
32Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.
33Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my
faithfulness to fail.
34My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
35Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
36His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.
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3I have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto [David my servant],
4Thy seed will I establish for ever, and [build up thy throne] [to all generations]. Selah.
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5Ought ye not to know that the Lord God of Israel gave the kingdom over
Israel to David for ever, even to him and to his sons by a covenant of salt?
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this is part of the septer promise,[ to be kings-rulers] and priests-[teachers]
ROFL Potters Clay did you rep me to correct my spelling? I was on my way out the door when I posted that. In a big hurry,{have been all Christmas.} I looked at the word the way I spelled it and spell correct said I was wrong so I just went with whatever spelling it offered. But my spelling was a lot closer to the right spelling "etiquette" Spell check lied to me!! I feel betrayed Next time Im sticking with my own spelling!!
Oh,I forgot,thanks for the rep!
Next time Im sticking with my own spelling!!Oh,I forgot,thanks for the rep!
But now I know you're fine
I am rather late to this discussion and have not perused all 115 pgs of this, so if I am saying what someone else has already said, please overlook me.
The purpose of Israel was to bring forth the prophesied Messiah, as He came through the lineage of Judah. The Law covenant was given solely to the Jews, and those proselyte Jews(Gentiles adopted in such as Rahab and Ruth). Yet, those proselytes could only go so far into thtemple(outer court, IIRC). Only the true Jews could go in further. Now that Jesus has died, was buried, and was resurrected, both Jews and Gentiles have access to the father through Him(Jesus).
Now, what is 'Israel'? In Romans 2 Paul wrote A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.[Romans 2:28,29] The Jews leading up to, and during, Jesus' earthly ministry, thought all that was needed was to be a seed of Abraham through their fleshly lineage. They thought that being born a natural Jew was all that was necessary. Yet we can read in another place where Paul wrote Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. For it is written:“Be glad, barren woman, you who never bore a child; shout for joy and cry aloud, you who were never in labor; because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband.”Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.”Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.[Galatians 4:21-31]
The Law was fulfilled, but not done away with. It was fulfilled in Christ. Now the church, the body of Christ, is comprised of both Jews and Gentiles. So the church never replaced anything, but is now composed of all believers of all time, Jews and Gentiles.
The purpose of Israel was to bring forth the prophesied Messiah, as He came through the lineage of Judah. The Law covenant was given solely to the Jews, and those proselyte Jews(Gentiles adopted in such as Rahab and Ruth). Yet, those proselytes could only go so far into thtemple(outer court, IIRC). Only the true Jews could go in further. Now that Jesus has died, was buried, and was resurrected, both Jews and Gentiles have access to the father through Him(Jesus).
Now, what is 'Israel'? In Romans 2 Paul wrote A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.[Romans 2:28,29] The Jews leading up to, and during, Jesus' earthly ministry, thought all that was needed was to be a seed of Abraham through their fleshly lineage. They thought that being born a natural Jew was all that was necessary. Yet we can read in another place where Paul wrote Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. For it is written:“Be glad, barren woman, you who never bore a child; shout for joy and cry aloud, you who were never in labor; because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband.”Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.”Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.[Galatians 4:21-31]
The Law was fulfilled, but not done away with. It was fulfilled in Christ. Now the church, the body of Christ, is comprised of both Jews and Gentiles. So the church never replaced anything, but is now composed of all believers of all time, Jews and Gentiles.
