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    Quote Originally Posted by stonesoffire View Post
    Sons inherit the house. Rules over...Physical Israel is the house.

    As I posted before. In the Millennial reign, the overcomers come back with Jesus and rule and reign with Him. Then the question is over who? Some say all that are left of the tribulation. Maybe, but maybe its what is left of Israel.
    I think there will be people all over the world who endure to the end and were saved, Scripture speaks of them being in their own countries And once a year coming to Jerusalem to worship the king (punished if they do not) Of course the ones who make it have families, and multiply and replenish the earth.
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    Our covenant is the covenant given to Abraham and Christ BEFORE the law was given to Israel. That same covenant is the NEW covenant for Israel. Everybody is saved in one of two ways, keep all the laws of the old covenant or believe God and it will be counted as righteousness.
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    Wrong noone but Jesus EVER kept the law
    This is exactly the point KJV1611 was making. There's only one way .. by grace thru faith in Jesus Christ .. even for the Jews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plainguy View Post
    This is exactly the point KJV1611 was making. There's only one way .. by grace thru faith in Jesus Christ .. even for the Jews.
    Perhaps you should reread the post that you quoted kjv ne of two ways
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    post 2302 plz reread it Plainword
    Ephesians 4:32
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    kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Jesus sake forgave you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psalm6819 View Post
    Perhaps you should reread the post that you quoted kjv ne of two ways
    No need to. He has never implied that anybody has "kept the whole law" perfectly except Jesus Christ. Nobody has. I would think this to be a given. I won't preclude him or you or anybody that calls themselves a Christian to think as much. It's elementary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psalm6819 View Post
    Perhaps you should reread the post that you quoted kjv ne of two ways
    actually he is right,

    In THAT post. KJV was saying there are only two ways to heaven.

    1. Perfect keeping of the law

    2. Faith in Christ.

    and he is right, But that is not the topic of Chapter 11..
    Eternally Grateful for the grace God has shown a wretched soul such as myself.

    Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,

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    Seems to me that most members are neglecting that Jesus is the messiah.

    He is their messiah.

    All Israel will be saved.

    Harvest is 4 parts.

    Their are 2 gospels (good news- es)

    A) to the Jews = messiah has come

    B) to the gentiles= we are grafted in.

    It even says that through jealousy the Jews enter. We PROVOKE then through jealousy.

    They are covenant people. God deals with them,and concentrates huge effort on them to save them.

    Hello? The 144 k are FIRSTFRUITS JEWS.

    THE Jews are harvested separately.

    Replacement theology is not in the word.

    2groups. Both come into the kingdom through Jesus.
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    While I have read parts of this long topic, I am not sure if this 'change of Covenants' has been discussed, since the Old Covenant is no longer valid, as it says in Hebrews 8:
    10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
    13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

    The First Evangelical Outreach:
    One of the greatest stories seldom told is how the Lord evangelized the Jewish world within a month after the Day of Pentecost.
     
    Two of the annual Jewish feasts in Jerusalem were the Passover, followed by The Feast of Unleavened bread, --- and Pentecost, to which every able bodied Jewish male was required to attend, if at all possible.
    --- That would mean a great crowd at Jerusalem on these two occasions.
     
    At the Passover that year, Jesus was crucified, and all who were there for the beginning would learn about it, and would be there till after the resurrection, because after the Day of Passover, the Feast of Unleaven Bread lasted another 7 days. --- When they went home they would tell all the events --- and for the Feast of Pentecost, 50 days later, many of those same ones would return along with others, --- as it says in Acts 2:
    5 And there were dwelling (temporarily) in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven.
    I guess that means from every place where the Jews had been scattered from Jerusalem in the various captivities, and other people fleeing for safety.

    9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,
    10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretans and Arabs.
    --- It says the Jews were there "From every nation under heaven." --- that would mean there would be representatives of the 'Jewish world' from wherever they had gone. --- And it says they were 'devout men' or 'serious Jews.' --- And the Message of the Gospel was to be given "To the Jew first."
    On the Day of Pentecost, They heard the Apostles speaking in the language in which they were born --- "We hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God."

    The interesting thing about the Jews was that wherever they went, they maintained the Hebrew language, because of their ties to Jerusalem for these feasts, and their families, --- but they heard the Apostles glorifying God in the language in which they were born, so they couldn't deny that God was in their midst, and that it was the Holy Spirit that was speaking through them.

    Then Peter preached the message of Salvation, and that day some 3000 were saved. Acts 2:41.
    42 And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers.
    46 So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart,
    47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.
    --- And a few days later,
    4:4 However, many of those who heard the word believed; and the number of the men came to be about five thousand.
     
    --- Of these 3000 or 5000, those who were from outside of Jerusalem, would return to their own countries and their own homes within a week or two, and having the Message of the Gospel, and being filled with the Holy Spirit, they would evangelize their own community, and would revitalize, or start a local Church, 'the Lord working with them.' --- So, within two or three weeks, all the Jewish communities that were represented at Pentecost would hear the Gospel, and they would spread the Gospel from their groups, as they were growing into established Churches.

    --- Later, when the Apostles went to visit these Churches, they would be welcomed by the group, and since the Apostles might only know Hebrew, they could relate to the Jews who knew Hebrew, and those Jews in turn, could translate to the local people, in the local language or dialect --- so there was no 'need of language study,' to be a Missionary among the Jews.

    --- Also Matthew had written a first 'Gospel of Matthew in Aramaic,' a dialect of Hebrew, sometimes called 'Matthew's Gospel in Hebrew,' and the Apostles would no doubt each have had a copy when they went out from Jerusalem.
    Peter and his wife traveled to some of the areas, and years later Peter wrote his first letter to people located in the northern part of Asia Minor and around the Black Sea, which were named in Acts 2. --- 1 Peter 1:
    1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
     
    So the Jews were evangelized, and they would still keep their ties to Jerusalem and the Temple, --- until in 70 AD when the Romans destroyed the Temple and cripled Judaism. --- Then the 'local Churches' might well have become the 'worship centers' in each community, town or city. --- These Churches would be spread out as they are today, and no doubt had 'associations' and worked together with other Churches, but they were rather independant, relying on the Lord and being guided by the Holy Spirit.
    --- God reached the Jews wherever they were and brought the 'remnant' back to Himself.'
     
    There was continuity in the Churches as they first had, the 'Gospel of Matthew' in Aramaic (Hebrew), then the first Greek writings, the letters of Paul, --- the four Gospels, and Acts, --- The Apostles were followed by the Church Fathers, then men like Polycarp, who knew the Apostle John in his youth, and Papias in the early second century, and later in that century, Irenaeus, who knew Polycarp in his youth.

    The Christians continued to evangelize through the local Churches, so as predicted, the Gospel was given to the Jews first, and the Jews evangelized their own communities through their Christian Churches in the midst of the Gentile countries. --- So the Jews preached the Gospel to the Gentiles where they lived and in the various languages that were represented on the Day of Pentecost at Jerusalem.
    --- Each year these same Jews and/or others would go back to Jerusalem for these same feasts, so they kept a good relationship with the Jewish Christians in Jerusalem and Judea, as well as reaching out in their own communities.
     
    Since the Jews evangelized the Gentiles in the various language groups, and Paul, the Jew, evangelized Asia Minor, --- Thus the Jewish world became New Testament believers, so,
     
    I don't see any "Replacement Theology" from Jews to Gentiles, or from Judaism to the Church, because all of the preaching and teaching of the Gospel to the Gentiles came first through the Jews, --- did it not?

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    Great video zone. Now I see why the Zionist say what they say... they're quoting Scofield lol.
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    Hi Zone and KJV1611,
     
    I listened to the Message on the Scofield Bible and agree that some of his writings are his opinion from his learning and study, --- but there are other Scriptures that give promises of the land of Israel as being an inheritance forever, --- however, the 'children of Israel,' the twelve tribes that occupied the land divided into the ten northern tribes called Israel, --- and the two southern tribes called Judah.
    The northern tribes from Samaria were taken captive to Assyria, and the southern tribes from Judah including Jerusalem were taken captive to Babylon about 600 BC. --- These scattered people still maintained their Hebrew roots and language so that years later, representatives would return to Jerusalem for the Feasts, and some would be there on the Day of Pentecost where they accepted the New Covenant.
     
    Isaiah had predicted both of these captivities, along with many warning to repent. --- The tribes had utterly failed to influence the nations around them, --- but instead, entered into idolatry themselves, so God 'separated' from them, (like a marriage separation since "He had been a husband to them), --- and He 'disregarded' them to introduce the New Covenant.
     
    --- It was about 606 BC, just a few years before the Babylonian captivity, when this prophecy was given in Jeremiah 31:
    31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
    32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord.
    33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
    34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."

    This was fulfilled in the coming of Jesus Christ, --- and the giving of the Holy Spirit, on and after the Day of Pentecost, and the fulfillment is recorded in Hebrews 8:
    7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
    8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
    9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.
    10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
    11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them.
    12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds[
    b] I will remember no more."
    13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

    --- This New Covenant was made with the descendants of the 'house of Israel' which would include the house of Judah because God did not see them as divided in the New Covenant.
    All of the Apostles who became Christians were descendants, were they not? --- So they took the new Covenant to the New Generations of Jews, who became Christians. --- And it was these Jews who evengelized the Jews first, and then the Gentiles.
    Is that not right?
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    To continue from above by going now to where the first promise was given to Abraham in Genesis 12:
    1 Now the Lord had said to Abram:
    "Get out of your country, From your family And from your father’s house, To a land that I will show you.
    2 I will make you a great nation; I will bless you And make your name great; And you shall be a blessing.
    3 I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you; And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed."
     
    And the covenant or promise that seems not to be fulfilled is in Genesis 15:
    18 On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying:
    "To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates."

    --- So this identifies the 'descendants' of Abraham. --- And in Genesis 17:
    1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, "I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless.
    2 And I will make My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly."
    3 Then Abram fell on his face, and God talked with him, saying:
    4 "As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be a father of many nations.
    5 No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for I have made you a father of many nations.
    6 I will make you exceedingly fruitful; and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come from you.
    7 And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you.
    8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God."
    --- So we have two promises, which are quite different.
     
    In the first Covenant God said,
    "To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates."
    In the second Covenannt God said in verse
    8, "Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God."

    It doesn't say that the first covenant of land from 'the River of Egypt to the River Euphrates,' was an 'everlasting possession.' --- But it does say that the land of Canaan was to be 'an everlasting possession.'
    The greatest identification of this was when the 'Children of Israel (Jacob)' returned from Egypt. --- And again when Israel was made a Nation in 1948. And it seems that Israel is staying in their land.
     
    After Ishmael was born, but before Isaac was born it says again in Genesis 17:
    15 Then God said to Abraham, "As for Sarai your wife, you shall not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall be her name.
    16 And I will bless her and also give you a son by her; then I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of peoples shall be from her."
    17 Then Abraham fell on his face and laughed, and said in his heart, "Shall a child be born to a man who is one hundred years old? And shall Sarah, who is ninety years old, bear a child?"

    18 And Abraham said to God, "Oh, that Ishmael might live before You!"
    19 Then God said: "No, Sarah your wife shall bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac; I will establish My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his descendants after him.
    20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you. Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall beget twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation.
    21 But My covenant I will establish with Isaac,

    After the offering of Isaac which confirmed Abraham's faith in God, it says in Genesis 22:
    17 Blessing I will bless you (Abraham), and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies.
    18 In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice."

    So here is the division between the inheritance to Isaac, and the inheritance to Ishmael.
    --- But there is more so I will continue later.

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    To continue from above with the inheritance of Isaac.

    In Genesis 23 Sarah dies, and in 24, Isaac marries Rebecca.
    In Genesis 25 we have the marriage of Abraham to Keturah:
    25 Abraham again took a wife, and her name was Keturah.
    2 And she bore him Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah.
     
    5 And Abraham gave all that he had to Isaac.
    6 But Abraham gave gifts to the sons of the concubines which Abraham had; and while he was still living he sent them eastward, away from Isaac his son, to the country of the east.
    This really tells the story. --- And Abraham gave all that he had to Isaac

    --- Abraham gave gifts to the sons of Keturah, --- and perhaps to Ishmael also and later in the Chapter, Abraham died:
    7 This is the sum of the years of Abraham’s life which he lived: one hundred and seventy-five years.
    8 Then Abraham breathed his last and died in a good old age, an old man and full of years, and was gathered to his people.
    9 And his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah.

    Next Rebecca gives birth to twins, Esau and Jacob, --- The sons of Isaac.
    They were direct descendants of Isaac, so they would inherit the land, but interesting things happened. Jacob deceived Esau and had to flee for his life, so they were separated for many years. --- Jacob worked for his uncle Laban for 2o years and married his two daughters, Leah and Rachel. He also had their servants as concubines, and from them all he had 12 sons and 1 daughter, Dinah. --- He had built up flocks and herds, so when they all left to go back to Canaan, --- and face the music with his brother Esau, he was afraid for his life and the welfare of his family.
     
    In the meantime Esau had done well and was quite wealthy in goods and he graciously forgave Jacob for the past. --- They were both living in the land of Canaan and increasing in livestock so this happened in Genesis 36:
    6 Then Esau took his wives, his sons, his daughters, and all the persons of his household, his cattle and all his animals, and all his goods which he had gained in the land of Canaan, and went to a country away from the presence of his brother Jacob.
    7 For their possessions were too great for them to dwell together, and the land where they were strangers could not support them because of their livestock.
    8 So Esau dwelt in Mount Seir. Esau is Edom.
    --- Esau moved across the Jordan and south to the lower part of the dead Sea, south of Moab in Jordan.
     
    This left Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel, as the sole inheritor of the Land of Canaan, now called Israel, --- which the twelve tribes, on returning from Egypt took possession of. --- So this fulfilled the promise to Abraham concerning Isaac and his inheritance, --- did it not?
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    To continue with the provision for Ishmael, Esau, and the children of Keturah.

    The Promise was given to Abraham in Genesis 15:
    18 On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying:
    "To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates—
    We have established that the promised land (Canaan) was given to Isaac, Jacob, and his descendants, the Twelve Tribes of Israel.
    --- The southern border of Israel is on an angle down from the Mediteranean Sea to the Gulf of Aqaba, and this position below Gaza on the Mediteranean is where the River of Egypt is. --- It says online:
    Quote: The historical border between Israel and Egypt has always been the Wadi el- Arish, also known as the River of Egypt. "On that day the Lord made a covenant ..." Genesis 15:18.

    The Eastern border is tha Arabah to the Dead Sea and the Jordan River to the Sea of Galilee.

    Notice that Abraham sent the sons from Keturah to the east into Jordan, Genesis 25:
    5 And Abraham gave all that he had to Isaac.
    6 But Abraham gave gifts to the sons of the concubines which Abraham had; and while he was still living he sent them eastward, away from Isaac his son, to the country of the east.

    And it identifies the promise of provision for Ishmael in Genesis 17:
    20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you. Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall beget twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation.
    --- And his possession is outlined in Genesis 25:
    12 Now this is the genealogy of Ishmael, Abraham’s son, whom Hagar the Egyptian, Sarah’s maidservant, bore to Abraham.
    13 And these were the names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to their generations: The firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth; then Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam,
    14 Mishma, Dumah, Massa,
    15 Hadar, Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah.
    16 These were the sons of Ishmael and these were their names, by their towns and their settlements, twelve princes according to their nations.
    18 (They dwelt from Havilah as far as Shur, which is east of Egypt as you go toward Assyria.)

    --- This Havilah is in southern Arabia and east to Shur near Egypt, and north to Assyria, --- So the Ishmaelites established trade routes from the East to bring goods to Syria and down to Egypt. --- A gransdon of Ishmael was Midian, and both are mentioned in the story of Joseph when his brothers sold him as a slave in Genesis 37:
    23 So it came to pass, when Joseph had come to his brothers, that they stripped Joseph of his tunic, the tunic of many colors that was on him.
    24 Then they took him and cast him into a pit. And the pit was empty; there was no water in it.
    25 And they sat down to eat a meal. Then they lifted their eyes and looked, and there was a company of Ishmaelites, coming from Gilead with their camels, bearing spices, balm, and myrrh, on their way to carry them down to Egypt.
    26 So Judah said to his brothers, "What profit is there if we kill our brother and conceal his blood?
    27 Come and let us sell him to the Ishmaelites, and let not our hand be upon him, for he is our brother and our flesh." And his brothers listened.
    28 Then Midianite traders passed by; so the brothers pulled Joseph up and lifted him out of the pit, and sold him to the Ishmaelites for twenty shekels of silver. And they took Joseph to Egypt.
     
    So Ishmael and his descendants basically dwelt in Saudi Arabia, and while the eastern border doesn't quite reach the Euphrates, the same Arab people go beyond the Euphrates, even to the Tigris.
    --- So the descendants of Abraham occupy from the River of Egypt, to the River Euphrates, --- do they not?
     
    Remember also that Esau moved from Canaan down to southern Jordan, so all the descendants of Abraham are Jacob (Israel) in Israel, --- Esau and the sons of Keturah in Jordan, --- and Ishmael and his twelve sons in Saudi Arabia.
    And certainly they became a great nation, and still are. --- While the land was desert for years that they travelled across it, when the time was right, they discovered oil, which has continued to make them wealthy.
     

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    But what happened to the other part of the Prophecy in Genesis 22?
    17 "Blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore;"

    The blessing was given to Isaac, --- and then Abraham was told to take Isaac and sacrifice him, and Abraham was obedient, though certainly not understanding how God could have a dead sacrifice, and also a living descendant to father a multitude.
    --- Abraham was obedient to the point of taking the knife in his hand, --- But the Lord stopped him and in Genesis 22:
    12 And He said, "Do not lay your hand on the lad, or do anything to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me."
    16 "By Myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son
    17 blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies.
    18 In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice."

    This was the action that prompted the verse that said in Galations 3:
    6 Just as Abraham "believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."
     
    But something went wrong and the New Covenant was being planned in the Book of Isaiah, 48:
    16 "Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning;
    From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord God and His Spirit Have sent Me."
    17 Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, The Holy One of Israel:
    "I am the Lord your God, Who teaches you to profit, Who leads you by the way you should go.
    18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments! Then your peace would have been like a river, And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.
    19 Your descendants also would have been like the sand, And the offspring of your body like the grains of sand;
    His name would not have been cut off Nor destroyed from before Me."

    --- O that you (Israel) had heeded My commandments. --- your descendsnts also would have been like the sand. --- His name (Israel) would not have been cut off.
     
    This was the prophecy of Jeremiah 31:
    31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
    32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord.
    33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
    34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."

    So Israel was 'cut off,' or 'separated' from God because they failed to keep His commandments, --- And the promise of descendants was cancelled. --- Israel did not become great in numbers, did they?
     

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    Ezekiel 20:21
    the children rebelled against me,” continued God, through the Prophet Ezekiel.
    “They polluted [MY sabbaths].…” (verse 21).

    He scattered them, in national captivity and slavery (verse 23).
    “Because they had not executed MY judgments, but had despised MY statutes,
    and had polluted MY sabbaths, and their eyes were after their FATHERS’ idols”

    “And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries
    wherein ye are scattered…with fury poured out. And I will bring you into
    the wilderness of the people [coming exodus—Jeremiah 23:7-8],


    and there will I plead with you face to face” (Ezekiel 20:34-35).

    “Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt,

    SO will I plead with you, saith the Lord God.… And I will purge out from among
    you the rebels, and them that transgress against me…
    and YE shall know that I am the Lord” (verses 36-38).

    43And there shall ye remember your ways, and all your doings, wherein ye have been defiled;
    and ye shall [lothe yourselves] in your own sight for all your evils that ye have committed.

    44And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have wrought with you for my name's sake,
    not according to your wicked ways, nor according to your corrupt doings, O ye house of Israel,
    saith the Lord God.

    Ezekiel36

    21But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned
    among the heathen, whither they went.Therefore say unto the house of Israel,

    Thus saith the Lord God; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but
    for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.

    23And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen,
    which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that
    I am the Lord, saith the Lord God, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.

    24For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries,
    and will bring you into your own land.25Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you,
    and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

    26A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will
    take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

    27And I will put my spirit within you, and [cause you to walk] in [my statutes],
    and ye[ shall] keep [my judgments], and do them.

    28And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people,
    and I will be your God. 29I will also save you from all your uncleannesses:

    and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.
    30And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye
    shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen.

    31Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good,
    and [shall lothe yourselves] in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.

    38As the holy flock, as the flock of Jerusalem in her solemn feasts;
    so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of men: and they shall know that I am the Lord.

    And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another,
    and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
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    Hi Prove-all,
     
    Thank you for your confirmation in these Scriptures, that God 'separated' from His people Israel, to bring in the New Covenant where God said, "I will put My laws in their hearts and write it on their minds."
    --- And it says by way of explanation in Hebrews 8:
    7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.

    So Jesus came as a Jew among the Jews to teach them first, and through the Jewish Apostles and disciples the Gospel was preached to the World. In this, God did not 'abandon' His people but introduced 'Faith and obedience' again with the guidance of the indwelling Holy Spirit.
    --- So how has God fulfilled the promise made to Abraham that his descendants would be,
    "as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore?"
     
    We have confirmed that Abraham was a 'man of Faith' --- which was proven by his obedience, so we see this again in Galatians 3:
    6 Just as Abraham "believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."
    7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.
    8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, "In you all the nations shall be blessed."
    9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.

    --- So when did the Lord preach the Gospel to Abraham?
    Abraham learned the Law from Melchizedek, even to the Law of tithing in Genesis 14: 18-20. --- And later when they came to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, the Lord spoke to Abraham in Genesis 18:
    17 And the Lord said, "Shall I hide from Abraham what I am doing,
    18 since Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?
    19 For I have known him, in order that he may command his children and his household after him, that they keep the way of the Lord, to do righteousness and justice, that the Lord may bring to Abraham what He has spoken to him."

    --- And God had said in Genesis 22:
    18 "In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed."
     
    And this promise to Abraham is fulfilled in Galatians 3:
    16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, "And to seeds," as of many, but as of one, "And to your Seed," who is Christ.
    26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
    27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
    28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
    29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
     
    --- And this verse verifies that no one comes to the saving knowledge of God except through Faith:
    3:7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.
    The New Denomination of Believers are the Messianic Jews who you can find online.

    Quote: "There is no way to tell the exact number, but we estimate approximately 15,000 Messianic Jewish believers live in Israel today."

    Placid

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    Amazing how ones end times view effect how they process other parts of scripture.

    I am glad my studies are not dependant on the boogy men the anti pretribs are obsessed with.
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