"replacement theology" - what is it?

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zone

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Ah, lleviticus 26 is nonsense,

The Promise God gave to isreal concerning land is nonsense.

thanks, i know what you think of God and his promises now,
the petty shots aren't that helpful EG, but we can do that if ya want.

Nehemiah 9:8
And Thou didst find Abraham's heart faithful before Thee, and didst make a covenant with him to give him the land of the Canaanite, of the Hittite and the Amorite, of the Perizzite, the Jebusite, and the Girgashite-- to give it to his descendants. And Thou hast fulfilled Thy promise, for Thou art righteous.

oops - this says:

And Thou hast fulfilled Thy promise

what promise?

a covenant with him to give him the land of the Canaanite, of the Hittite and the Amorite, of the Perizzite, the Jebusite, and the Girgashite-- to give it to his descendants

so all the passages that say God fulfilled the land promise are clear. what about the "seed" promise

Acts 13:32-33,38
we preach to you the good news of the promise made to the fathers, that God has fulfilled this promise to us their children in that He raised up Jesus...that through Him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you
 
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Isreal was not in peace when Christ came, They were a slave nation to the roman empire. So Jesus fulfilled the promise while Isreal was not in a state of sin.

So how does Gods promise to Isreal have a thing to do with my salvation, When they were in sin and slaves in a land ruled by their enemy when he fuflilled that promise.

some tmes, we just have to think.
 

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Ihave to eave, but I leave wiht one comment

Isreal was not in peace when Christ came, They were a slave nation to the roman empire. So Jesus fulfilled the promise while Isreal was not in a state of sin.

So how does Gods promise to Isreal have a thing to do with my salvation, When they were in sin and slaves in a land ruled by their enemy when he fuflilled that promise.

some tmes, we just have to think.
I must say I do not understand this post at all.

Christ was the promise. He brought the real land (heaven), the real city (heavenly Jerusalem), the real circumcision, the real Sabbath etc etc. He brought all.

All the promises to Abraham or in Law are in Him "yes" and "amen".

Law ended. The eternal covenant ended.

BTW, Eternal means "for ages". It can mean "without end" only by a context. And you can read in the New Testament that with Christ their current "ages" has ended:

" But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself." Hebrews 9:26
 
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zone

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Your right it does not set aside the promise.

Isreal is scattered today and her land is desolate. because of the law given 430 years later.

It does not mean the land is still not theres. If they repent today as a nation, Would god re-establish his covenantwith THEM> and resgtore them to the land and again let them live in peace as long as they obey his commands and bserve his statutes?

I ahve asked you this three times now. are you going to answer?
WHAT??
wow. dual covenant theology.
are you sure you want to take that position?
 

zone

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You must realize that Israel, Law etc are just pictures and shadows of what was to come in Christ. Land, Jerusalem, everything.

Abraham, Isaac, Jacob knew that.

"Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one" Hebrews 11:16
it's hard to fathom what sort of gospel (?) these ppl hold to.
it's pretty shallow
 

trofimus

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it's hard to fathom what sort of gospel (?) these ppl hold to.
it's pretty shallow
I dont know. I was like them, 10 years ago. Now I can see how strange to Christianity such position is.

OK, midnight here, gotta go, too.
 

zone

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Deuteronomy 19:7-9
Therefore, I command you, saying, 'You shall set aside three cities for yourself.' "If the LORD your God enlarges your territory, just as He has sworn to your fathers, and gives you all the land which He promised to give your fathers— if you carefully observe all this commandment which I command you today, to love the LORD your God, and to walk in His ways always—then you shall add three more cities for yourself, besides these three.

Joshua 20:7-9 lists six cities of refuge - Kadesh, Shechem, Hebron, Bezer, Ramoth, and Golan.

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If the LORD your God enlarges your territory
just as He has sworn to your fathers
and gives you all the land which He promised to give your fathers

there will be 6 cities for them.
did it come to pass?

Joshua 20:7-9 lists six cities of refuge - Kadesh, Shechem, Hebron, Bezer, Ramoth, and Golan.

Joshua 20
Six Cities of Refuge
6'He shall dwell in that city until he stands before the congregation for judgment, until the death of the one who is high priest in those days. Then the manslayer shall return to his own city and to his own house, to the city from which he fled.'" 7So they set apart Kedesh in Galilee in the hill country of Naphtali and Shechem in the hill country of Ephraim, and Kiriath-arba (that is, Hebron) in the hill country of Judah. 8Beyond the Jordan east of Jericho, they designated Bezer in the wilderness on the plain from the tribe of Reuben, and Ramoth in Gilead from the tribe of Gad, and Golan in Bashan from the tribe of Manasseh.…

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So, God enlarged their territory
just as He had sworn to their fathers
and gave them all the land which He promised to give the fathers

right?
 
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Ok here's the argument to end this argument. Anybody who still believes God "owes" Israel something needs their head examined lol. The old covenant is GONE, the deal between God and Israel for land is GONE.

Hebrews 8:10-13 KJV
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

[11] And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

[12] For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

[13] In that he saith, A new covenant , he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
 

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[13] In that he saith, A new covenant , he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
oops....looks like a "replacement" < thank God!
 
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oops....look like a "replacement" < thank God!
Not a replacement, but a continuation of the covenant to the children of promise... only NOW it's not hidden, it's open for the world to see the mystery...

Ephesians 3:5-6 KJV
Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; [6] That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
 
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"Many" can mean 100, for example. Still nothing regarding the rest of unbelieving nation.

John said: "He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him."
This is the overall description of the situation, after all was done.
John also says the chief priests and the Pharisees conspired to kill the Jesus. makes no mention of "the Jews" or "the nation". also James the brother of Jesus lead the 1st Jerusalem church, i dont think it was a gentile church.

im sure there were many Jews that would not receive Him, there were also many non Jews as well.
 

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Dual Covenant Theology

"...The Dual Covenant theological position states that the Jews have a covenantal relationship with God through the Abrahamic and Mosaic covenants and therefore do not need to accept the New Covenant or Testament made through Jesus Christ. ..."

Dual Covenant Theology

Heresy: n 1: any opinions or doctrines at variance with the official or orthodox position [syn: unorthodoxy, heterodoxy] [ant: orthodoxy] 2: a belief that rejects the orthodox tenets of a religion
 
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Dual Covenant Theology

"...The Dual Covenant theological position states that the Jews have a covenantal relationship with God through the Abrahamic and Mosaic covenants and therefore do not need to accept the New Covenant or Testament made through Jesus Christ. ..."

Dual Covenant Theology

Heresy: n 1: any opinions or doctrines at variance with the official or orthodox position [syn: unorthodoxy, heterodoxy] [ant: orthodoxy] 2: a belief that rejects the orthodox tenets of a religion
The Jews (if they really are Jews) have really hoodwinked the "evangelical" crowd. Most of what they believe comes from Jews and Jesuits purposely trying to decieve them... after all they are the ENIMIES of the gospel. ;)
 

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The Jews (if they really are Jews) have really hoodwinked the "evangelical" crowd. Most of what they believe comes from Jews and Jesuits purposely trying to decieve them... after all they are the ENIMIES of the gospel. ;)
Jolly Old Cyrus Scofield.
do you suppose anybody still uses that book?
 
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Jolly Old Cyrus Scofield.
do you suppose anybody still uses that book?
Oh yeah... no doubt about it. I can't prove it but just reading some of the writing of Scofield and James Strong, I'm almost positive both were Freemasons.
 

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That is quite funny considering a few pages back someone said that Jesus wasn't even Jewish. Jesus isn't in the backseat at all.He's right where He belongs. The Messiah,to the Jews first and then the Gentiles.The true GOD OF ISRAEL.
It's important to keep hammering home the fact that those that go down this replacement theology road inevitably end up as antisemitic at some point.

They cannot reckon why the Jews are back in part of the land God supposedly took from them after giving it to them forever.

Israel is there. TODAY! You can get on a plane and go there. Their presence is an afront to the Replacement theologists.

So they come up with ludicrous explanations, like the Jews there today aren't really blood jews. Some of them, hate the Word so much, and extend that hatred toward the Jews to the point they deny the holocaust.

To those that have been swayed by this satanic doctrine, I truly want to ask you if you really want to throw your lot in with a person that denies the murder of 6 million jews, a mere 70-75 yrs ago!?

You cannot explain antisemitism, beyond it being satanic. There are between 13 and 15 million Jews worldwide, out of 7.2 BILLION people, yet even these few are too many for satan, who hates them, and has tried time and time again to wipe them out.
 
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It's important to keep hammering home the fact that those that go down this replacement theology road inevitably end up as antisemitic at some point.

They cannot reckon why the Jews are back in part of the land God supposedly took from them after giving it to them forever.

Israel is there. TODAY! You can get on a plane and go there. Their presence is an afront to the Replacement theologists.

So they come up with ludicrous explanations, like the Jews there today aren't really blood jews. Some of them, hate the Word so much, and extend that hatred toward the Jews to the point they deny the holocaust.

To those that have been swayed by this satanic doctrine, I truly want to ask you if you really want to throw your lot in with a person that denies the murder of 6 million jews, a mere 70-75 yrs ago!?

You cannot explain antisemitism, beyond it being satanic. There are between 13 and 15 million Jews worldwide, out of 7.2 BILLION people, yet even these few are too many for satan, who hates them, and has tried time and time again to wipe them out.

All I can say is Amen! And you are dead on.
 
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It's important to keep hammering home the fact that those that go down this replacement theology road inevitably end up as antisemitic at some point.

They cannot reckon why the Jews are back in part of the land God supposedly took from them after giving it to them forever.

Israel is there. TODAY! You can get on a plane and go there. Their presence is an afront to the Replacement theologists.

So they come up with ludicrous explanations, like the Jews there today aren't really blood jews. Some of them, hate the Word so much, and extend that hatred toward the Jews to the point they deny the holocaust.

To those that have been swayed by this satanic doctrine, I truly want to ask you if you really want to throw your lot in with a person that denies the murder of 6 million jews, a mere 70-75 yrs ago!?

You cannot explain antisemitism, beyond it being satanic. There are between 13 and 15 million Jews worldwide, out of 7.2 BILLION people, yet even these few are too many for satan, who hates them, and has tried time and time again to wipe them out.
A person is not antisemtic because that person understands the people in Israel today are not God's people.
 

PennEd

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A person is not antisemtic because that person understands the people in Israel today are not God's people.
Well, some are. Just as always.

Why and how are the Jews there today?