"replacement theology" - what is it?

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Nov 23, 2013
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so you deny that the romans killed Jesus?

More importantly. Your denying that Jesus, who could have saved himself. took his own life. And no one killed him (when we really get down to it) and if anything, Your sin killed Jesus (as did mine)


As for this passage it is quite clear. Christian jews, have suffered like their countrymen who were killed. The men who killed Jesus and the prophets.
Who kills the baby in an abortion, the doctor or the mother?
 
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You do realize that means when they come to know Christ... they get saved like Paul did.
You do realise he is talking about a nation, Not individual people?

He said they will see him WHEN they (the nation) says it. They (the nation) will see him again.

He is talking about his return.
 
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what is it? A bunch of baloney.

God can keep His word to Israel and the Church. There's no lack of supply.

God promised that Jesus would rule from Jerusalem and He will physically
Yes, Israel will not rule Jesus will. And the church will be worldwide as never before.. And these silly argments will be gone forever, because as scripture says, we will not have to teach our neighbor, because they to will know.
 
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You do realise he is talking about a nation, Not individual people?

He said they will see him WHEN they (the nation) says it. They (the nation) will see him again.

He is talking about his return.
It's only talking about his return in dispensational theology, the bible deosn't say that.
 
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Everything was always about salvation. From Genesis to Revelation.

Its called the overall context.

The nation of Israel and all promises were just means to bring Christ to the world. It has already happened.

Um No, Everything was not about salvation.

Who was saved because God made Ishmael a great nation, Because God made kings and national leaders out of the descendents of Abraham (Isreal and non Israel)

Who was saved because God gave abraham a plot of land

Thats your problem, your tryign to make everythign salvic when it is not. There is a WHOLE section of scripture based on the giving of th elaw. Yet not one person was saved because God gave moses and a people the law.
 

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who killed the Lord Jesus?

the chief priests and elders (Matt 26:3-4; 27:22-25; Jn 11:47-50; Jn 11:53)

the people of Israel (Lk 23:21; Acts 2:22-23)

the Romans (Matt 27:27-37)

God (Acts 2:23; 2 Cor 5:21)

and me.
 
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It's only talking about his return in dispensational theology, the bible deosn't say that.
Thanks, thats your opinion.

But the bible does say that. Many Many times.


Either way, As someone said, He spoke to Jerusalem. Not an individual person. SO either way You were wrong.

ps. Did not the angel say just as Jesus was seen ascending to heaven, in the same way he would return? hmm..
 
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who killed the Lord Jesus?

the chief priests and elders (Matt 26:3-4; 27:22-25; Jn 11:47-50; Jn 11:53)

the people of Israel (Lk 23:21; Acts 2:22-23)

the Romans (Matt 27:27-37)

God (Acts 2:23; 2 Cor 5:21)

and me.
I think that about says it!! Thank you sis.
 
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Who kills the baby in an abortion, the doctor or the mother?
coming from you, I am quite shocked.

BOTH killed the child.. However, if it came to a court of law and abortion was considered murder the doctor would be tried for murder, not the mother, although they could try her also. and hopefully would.

By the way, the one in charge is usually the one who is tried, who was king of Israel at the time of Jesus death.

 
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coming from you, I am quite shocked.

BOTH killed the child.. However, if it came to a court of law and abortion was considered murder the doctor would be tried for murder, not the mother, although they could try her also. and hopefully would.

By the way, the one in charge is usually the one who is tried, who was king of Israel at the time of Jesus death.

Stick with the bible, the bible says the JEWS killed the Lord.
 

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Thats your problem, your tryign to make everythign salvic when it is not.
New Testament does the same thing.

There is a WHOLE section of scripture based on the giving of th elaw. Yet not one person was saved because God gave moses and a people the law.
Law had also the role in the salvation plan. It was the preparation, a guardian until the seed will come.

Its in the letter to Galatians.
 
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New Testament does the same thing.
No it does not. The NT for the most part speaks of things we need to do after we are saved, what we need to do to grow in christ. Which has nothing to do with a person getting saved..


Law had also the role in the salvation plan. It was the preparation, a guardian until the seed will come.
Still never saved one person. And many people were saved before the law was given. And many are saved even today having never read the law.
Its in the letter to Galatians.
Still did not save one person.
 
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Stick with the bible, the bible says the JEWS killed the Lord.

Stick with the bible. the bible says many killed the lord. Including yourself.



I know. You do not want to take credit. but thats ok. You will one day.
 

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No it does not. The NT for the most part speaks of things we need to do after we are saved, what we need to do to grow in christ.
Please, read Galatians and Romans. There is the broader view about Israel, Law, prophecies, promises etc.

Still never saved one person. And many people were saved before the law was given. And many are saved even today having never read the law. [/B][/COLOR]
I never said Law saved somebody. I said that everything, Law included, had its role in the plan of salvation.

The role of the Law, for example, was to be our guardian until the seed will come. Its in Galatians.
 

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Stick with the bible. the bible says many killed the lord. Including yourself.



I know. You do not want to take credit. but thats ok. You will one day.
There is a difference between the killing Him from hatred, evil, aggression and envy and between that He died for our personal sins.

The first is the process of the crucifixion, the second one is the purpose of it.
 
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who killed the Lord Jesus?

the chief priests and elders (Matt 26:3-4; 27:22-25; Jn 11:47-50; Jn 11:53)

the people of Israel (Lk 23:21; Acts 2:22-23)

the Romans (Matt 27:27-37)

God (Acts 2:23; 2 Cor 5:21)

and me.
Christ finished all of the work by His own self. He is not served by human hands which includes His death. He gave up the Spirit of His own volition .Attributing anything to include his death to Satan and a Satan inspired crowd is not part of the gospel.

It is why in the clearest picture of the father and Son working together in perfect submission to one another .The father put the disciples asleep. Even praying with Christ is a considered a work of God. When the demonstration was over the Father woke them up.( And said unto them, Why sleep ye? rise and pray) .This happened three time, with three being the end of the matter .

And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy. And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words. Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners. Rise, let us be going: behold, he is at hand that doth betray me.Mat 26:39 -


Either Christ does all the work of salvation or he does nothing.

In the Mel Gibson ideology according to His movie. The Passion, which I believe he made a bloody mess of. There you will find his mother walking around in the garden giving Satan dirty looks to help her seem as if she had a part in the gospel .
 
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It's funny how Pilate and the Romans were guilty of killing Jesus when Pilate did his best to let Jesus go but the Jewish people insisted that Jesus be crucified.
 
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It's funny how Pilate and the Romans were guilty of killing Jesus when Pilate did his best to let Jesus go but the Jewish people insisted that Jesus be crucified.
Ain't it funny how roman soldiers beat jesus to a pulp (most humans would have died just by this alone) . Put a crown of thorns on his head, and hammered the nails into his wrists and ankles.. Then put a blade through his side to make sure he was dead.