"replacement theology" - what is it?

[PennEd]

Report me,Im not the one that has been banned here.You started the insults and the mods can see that. No one is harassing you. You are insulting others. You are the problem,no one else.

I have found it better to not directly engage this person. You were not here when she inundated the boards with this satanic doctrine before. At that time she posted that the holocaust didn't happen. Others besides myself were outraged and disgusted at this claim. She then tried to amend it to mean that maybe only 1 million not 6 million were murdered. And heck, because so many others died in WWII, why all the attention to these people who aren't even real jews?

She left for 2-3 yrs and this issue rarely reared it's ugly head during that time.

The problem is there are wonderful, caring, sweet, brothers and sisters that I greatly love and respect that have ascribed themselves to what I believe is a dangerous doctrine that almost by necessity breeds antisemitism.

It has also taken much time away from love and fellowship that we ALL could use more of. I'm not sure what the solution is beyond occasionally reminding people where this destructive doctrine ultimately leads, as personified by the OP.

 

[Stephen63]

not at all. I'm being quite reasonable.
how about you - you acting up lately Stephen?

Naw..... people keep having to accuse me to get me in trouble..... pretty much like the old days

 

[Desertsrose]

I understand that completely .. and did when I posted it. Are you under the impression that I have ill feelings towards the Jews ?

Great, I'm glad you do!

 

[kaylagrl]

Are you being naughty AGAIN, zone?!?

Oh yes! We have all been soundly slapped and she couldn't take the heat she created so she put us on ignore. Phew. Maybe we can now discuss the issue.

 

[kaylagrl]

​Got your back

Aww thanks sister. And as it happens,me middle name is Rose

 

[zone]

Matthew 21
The Parable of the Tenants

33“Hear another parable. There was a master of a house who planted a vineyard and put a fence around it and dug a winepress in it and built a tower and leased it to tenants, and went into another country. 34When the season for fruit drew near, he sent his servantsc to the tenants to get his fruit. 35And the tenants took his servants and beat one, killed another, and stoned another. 36Again he sent other servants, more than the first. And they did the same to them. 37Finally he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38But when the tenants saw the son, they said to themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and have his inheritance.’ 39And they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him. 40When therefore the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?” 41They said to him, “He will put those wretches to a miserable death and let out the vineyard to other tenants who will give him the fruits in their seasons.”

42Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:

“‘The stone that the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone;d
this was the Lord’s doing,
and it is marvelous in our eyes’?

43Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people producing its fruits. 44And the one who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; and when it falls on anyone, it will crush him.”e

45When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard his parables, they perceived that he was speaking about them. 46And although they were seeking to arrest him, they feared the crowds, because they held him to be a prophet.

 

[trofimus]

I AM discussing RT. YOU'RE the one insulting ME. So you stop your silliness and continue the discussion.

Jesus told us who was culpable in killing Him. I posted the Bible verses that prove that.That is what we were discussing before you started with the silliness.

Actually, kaylagrl, you are very often arguing ad hominem (not just in this thread), insulting and your posts are too aggressive.

So let us calm down and get back to Scripture.

 

[stonesoffire]

Thank you for the rep. Those settled in Israel of Arab descent are mostly Jordanian.

Its just Islam trying to take over the world. And now they live here in the USA too. I feel so sorry for the U.K. and Germany.

Tell me you who deny Israel has rights or that they even remain in the plan of God....what spirit do you think is behind this takeover mindset of Islam?

Our very news news reports have been prophetic. I was quite young when I heard the name Israel for the first time on the news. And suddenly the things I was hearing in Sunday school took on life.

Oh, and my point I was really making...no such thing as Palestine either. Forgot, got carried away a bit.

 

[stonesoffire]

Matthew 21
The Parable of the Tenants

33“Hear another parable. There was a master of a house who planted a vineyard and put a fence around it and dug a winepress in it and built a tower and leased it to tenants, and went into another country. 34When the season for fruit drew near, he sent his servantsc to the tenants to get his fruit. 35And the tenants took his servants and beat one, killed another, and stoned another. 36Again he sent other servants, more than the first. And they did the same to them. 37Finally he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38But when the tenants saw the son, they said to themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and have his inheritance.’ 39And they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him. 40When therefore the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?” 41They said to him, “He will put those wretches to a miserable death and let out the vineyard to other tenants who will give him the fruits in their seasons.”

42Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:

“‘The stone that the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone;d
this was the Lord’s doing,
and it is marvelous in our eyes’?

43Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people producing its fruits. 44And the one who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; and when it falls on anyone, it will crush him.”e

45When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard his parables, they perceived that he was speaking about them. 46And although they were seeking to arrest him, they feared the crowds, because they held him to be a prophet.

Hes talking to the leaders that He called children of vipers Zone. There were sects that were faithful and looking for Him to come. Same as today. Israel is a mix...same as all nations.

only He can divide sheep and goats because it's a heart thing.

 

[kaylagrl]

I have found it better to not directly engage this person. You were not here when she inundated the boards with this satanic doctrine before. At that time she posted that the holocaust didn't happen. Others besides myself were outraged and disgusted at this claim. She then tried to amend it to mean that maybe only 1 million not 6 million were murdered. And heck, because so many others died in WWII, why all the attention to these people who aren't even real jews?

She left for 2-3 yrs and this issue rarely reared it's ugly head during that time.

The problem is there are wonderful, caring, sweet, brothers and sisters that I greatly love and respect that have ascribed themselves to what I believe is a dangerous doctrine that almost by necessity breeds antisemitism.

It has also taken much time away from love and fellowship that we ALL could use more of. I'm not sure what the solution is beyond occasionally reminding people where this destructive doctrine ultimately leads, as personified by the OP.

Do tell?! Well its time for some house cleaning again. I can't rep you,seems Im always saying that.lol
I have encountered people in life with this belief and I have yet to meet one that is not anti-semetic. And very angry besides that.I do agree with you whole heartedly that his is a dangerous doctrine. People here have intimated already that the Holocaust didn't happen or say" yes,but others died too".
This breaks the heart of God. This is a doctrine from satan himself,there is no doubt.

 

[kaylagrl]

Actually, kaylagrl, you are very often arguing ad hominem (not just in this thread), insulting and your posts are too aggressive.

So let us calm down and get back to Scripture.

If my posts are insulting and aggressive how is it that a mod has never contacted me about it? Please dont take zones side,someone who is a known trouble maker. I did not insult zone,she insulted me and became aggressive. She doesn't need the young men here to save her and attack me and her supposed "enemies". We are discussing and were doing so in an adult manner. I do not argue ad hominem, I do speak up when people become brash,nasty and insulting. And I stand up for others as well. So again,zone is a big girl and doesn't need you boys to defend her. Now back to the discussion....

 

[LaurenTM]

If my posts are insulting and aggressive how is it that a mod has never contacted me about it? Please dont take zones side,someone who is a known trouble maker. I did not insult zone,she insulted me and became aggressive. She doesn't need the young men here to save her and attack me and her supposed "enemies". We are discussing and were doing so in an adult manner. I do not argue ad hominem, I do speak up when people become brash,nasty and insulting. And I stand up for others as well. So again,zone is a big girl and doesn't need you boys to defend her. Now back to the discussion....

I haven't bothered with this thread for awhile now, because it seems to be entertainment for at least one person

meaning no actual discussion was ever intended

some people just get off on that...and enjoy the ensuing bad atmosphere

they might do better on an atheist site...but then everyone agreeing with them....where's the fun in that?

no one is gonna win this one...something is being fed though...in fact I would say having a big ole feast....

 

[Stephen63]

Do tell?! Well its time for some house cleaning again. I can't rep you,seems Im always saying that.lol
I have encountered people in life with this belief and I have yet to meet one that is not anti-semetic. And very angry besides that.I do agree with you whole heartedly that his is a dangerous doctrine. People here have intimated already that the Holocaust didn't happen or say" yes,but others died too".
This breaks the heart of God. This is a doctrine from satan himself,there is no doubt.

I've known her for a while..... She & her "pack" would gang up on others & drive them off of CC or get them banned. I know this because I was one of her "favorites" to seek & destroy. She even had an admin in her pack(he's gone now). I don't have to prove it..... dig back to 2010 or so & you'll find it. A couple year's worth.

 

[zone]

Hes talking to the leaders that He called children of vipers Zone. There were sects that were faithful and looking for Him to come. Same as today. Israel is a mix...same as all nations.

only He can divide sheep and goats because it's a heart thing.

I'm very well aware of that.
did you think I don't know the early church was ALL jews, and that jews get saved around the world to this day?
where did you get the idea I thought otherwise?
oh...that would be from all the clanging in the background.

 

[kaylagrl]

I've known her for a while..... She & her "pack" would gang up on others & drive them off of CC or get them banned. I know this because I was one of her "favorites" to seek & destroy. She even had an admin in her pack(he's gone now). I don't have to prove it..... dig back to 2010 or so & you'll find it. A couple year's worth.

Well that is a piece of news! Well she disliked me so much that she put me on ignore.lol So I guess I can be thankful for that! She's raising a new pack,which is sad to see. Especially when they draw in young people with their poison and hatred.

 

[zone]

I've known her for a while..... She & her "pack" would gang up on others & drive them off of CC or get them banned. I know this because I was one of her "favorites" to seek & destroy. She even had an admin in her pack(he's gone now). I don't have to prove it..... dig back to 2010 or so & you'll find it. A couple year's worth.

Stephen, would mind starting another thread on zone if you have such a problem?
please don't clutter up this thread.
thanks again

 

[kaylagrl]

I've known her for a while..... She & her "pack" would gang up on others & drive them off of CC or get them banned. I know this because I was one of her "favorites" to seek & destroy. She even had an admin in her pack(he's gone now). I don't have to prove it..... dig back to 2010 or so & you'll find it. A couple year's worth.

Quote"Stephen, would mind starting another thread on zone if you have such a problem?
please don't clutter up this thread.
thanks again"

​Seems you've hit her bad side again. lol

 

[zone]

The Israel of God
(Galatians 6:16)

by Michael Marlowe, Dec. 2004.

14 But far be it from me to boast, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world hath been crucified unto me, and I unto the world. 15 For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. 16 And as many as shall walk by this rule, peace be upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

The proper interpretation and translation of the last phrase in Galatians 6:16 has become a matter of controversy in the past century or so. Formerly it was not a matter of controversy. With few exceptions, "The Israel of God" was understood as a name for the Church here. [1] The καὶ ("and") which precedes the phrase ἐπὶ τὸν Ἰσραὴλ τοῦ θεοῦ ("upon the Israel of God") was understood as an explicative καὶ....

....The phrase has become controversial because the traditional interpretation conflicts with principles of interpretation associated with Dispensationalism. Dispensationalists are interested in maintaining a sharp distinction between "Israel" and "the Church" across a whole range of theological matters pertaining to prophecy, ecclesiology, and soteriology. They are not comfortable with the idea that here Paul is using the phrase "Israel of God" in a sense that includes Gentiles, because this undermines their contention that "the Church" is always carefully distinguished from "Israel" in Scripture....

...cont.

 

[zone]

...Scofield himself acknowledged this when he wrote, "In the Church the distinction of Jew and Gentile disappears." This raises several questions. If "in the Church the distinction of Jew and Gentile disappears," as Scofield says, then why would Paul make such a distinction in 6:16? And if it is true that the Church is never called Israel in Scripture, and "all is contrast" between the two, then in what sense can Christians of Jewish background be called "Israel" any longer, if they are in the Church?

If someone in the Church is being called "Israel," then the all-important distinction between Israel and the Church has been breached. If it is said that people of Jewish background may still be called "Israel" after they have become Christians, then it must be admitted that the strict terminological distinction between "Israel" and "the Church" has broken down at this point. Further, if it is said that only persons of Jewish backgound can be so called, then we may rightly ask what has become of the teaching that "In the Church the distinction of Jew and Gentile disappears"? Do we have a separate class of "Jewish Christians" who alone are entitled to the name "Israel of God"? If so, what is the significance of this? Are there two types of Christianity, two Churches? ...

...The older dispensationalist writers, such as Darby, Scofield, and Chafer, avoided some of these embarrassing questions and implications because their distinction between Israel and the Church was more consistent and more radical. Scofield believed that the Jews of the end times were to be saved according to the Law of Moses, with renewed animal sacrifices. His scheme of interpretation envisioned a time when the parenthetical "Church age" has ended and the Law of Moses is reinstituted for salvific purposes.

After this change of "dispensations" people will be saved according to a different gospel, the "Gospel of the Kingdom." Paul's doctrine (called the "Gospel of the Grace of God") was no longer in effect. Paul's teaching on the unity of the Church did not apply because the Church has been "raptured" and is no longer in the earth, and God is no longer dealing with the Church. In this manner the distinction between "Israel" and "the Church" was upheld without denying the unity of the body of Christ....

etc.
The Israel of God (Galatians 6:16)

 

[stonesoffire]

I'm very well aware of that.
did you think I don't know the early church was ALL jews, and that jews get saved around the world to this day?
where did you get the idea I thought otherwise?
oh...that would be from all the clanging in the background.

From the OP.