The Great Tribulation - A Futurist Lie

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If you understand that God's Wrath on Judah and Jerusalem was executed in the Roman war centred around AD 70, read no further.

If you have shunted this monumental, epochal, divinely ordained event somewhere into the future, and wrapped some crazy eschatology around it, then consider Paul's words very carefully:

Romans 9: 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience the objects of wrath that are made for destruction

If you are caught up in the lie of Futurism, then I believe that you need to consider conforming your mind to the mind of Christ.

In a very real sense God made a Declaration Of his Power in AD 70, and as a Futurist you are committing a sin of ignorance, by denying his statement
 
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Sin of ignorance. Ha.
So this is the reign of Christ that were living in. Sex trafficking children is a multi-billion dollar business world wide. Drug abuse rampant. Violence. Genocide. Alcoholism. Mental illness. I could go on. We're definitely in the 1000 year reign of Christians.
 
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CharlieGrown

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Revelation chapter 4, the moment you realize Preterism was an epic fail.
 
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If you understand that God's Wrath on Judah and Jerusalem was executed in the Roman war centred around AD 70, read no further.
Ah yes, ye olde preterism teaching... you're going to be shocked to learn how wrong this is when you are going thru the tribulation and your beliefs make you a candidate to go ahead and take the mark of the beast when that opportunity arrives so you can continue buying and selling.

Losing your soul to eternal fire ain't gonna be nuthin nice... if the preterism position is true, then there's a lot of stuff concerning end times events in God's Word that are lies and make no sense whatsoever.

So, have your beliefs caused you to turn against Israel and to support the palestinians?

Those that curse Israel... will be cursed!
 

Ahwatukee

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Ah yes, ye olde preterism teaching... you're going to be shocked to learn how wrong this is when you are going thru the tribulation and your beliefs make you a candidate to go ahead and take the mark of the beast when that opportunity arrives so you can continue buying and selling.

Losing your soul to eternal fire ain't gonna be nuthin nice... if the preterism position is true, then there's a lot of stuff concerning end times events in God's Word that are lies and make no sense whatsoever.

So, have your beliefs caused you to turn against Israel and to support the palestinians?

Those that curse Israel... will be cursed!
It is amazing to me that they attempt to assign historical events as being the fulfillment of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which is how God is going to carry out his coming wrath upon the earth leading up to Christ's return to end that age. I've always said that preterism, along with Amillennialism, is one of the most deceiving and destructive false teachings out there.

The promises that the Lord made is to the entire church, not to just the first century Church, which is still in the process of being built. So that when the resurrection takes place, the entire church will be caught up, both those who have died in Christ and those who are still living and looking forward to his appearing.

They have no understanding in regards to the severity and magnitude of God's coming wrath, which will do what Jesus said it will do, "except those days were shortened, no one would be left alive." And if they think that the world is going to be Christianized in preparation for Christ's return, that ain't gonna happen, but the world will continue to get worse. Then the One who is restraining will be taken out of the way and then the full force of sin will be unleased and that man of sin will be revealed.
 

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Preterism was a creation pushed by the catholic church to support the Idea that the catholic church was the establishment of the 1000 year reign of the saints with Jesus on earth.. Of course this was a deception and false.. At the time of the year 1000 there was a huge amount of fear that the final judgement was soon to arrive.. But if course since preterism was false the end did not come at 1000 AD.. That's when they had to invent the doctrine that the 1000 years was only symbolic of a long time and did not mean an actual 1000 years.. LOL I would understand if Zeek was a catholic in holding the position he does.. But a protestant holding the preterism position is so sad....
 
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A lot of ranting going on. A gentle reminder:
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I am not a Preterist Adstar, that is just heresay
 
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I am not a Preterist Adstar, that is just heresay
ZEEK, it's the word "Futurist" that might be throwing us off.
 
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Believing the tribulation has already happened... is preterism
 
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I don't believe in the tribulation
 

RickyZ

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satan is counting on that
 
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The you are in step with preterism.

One must reject portions of scripture as being lies to not believe what the Lord's Word teaches about the coming trib

Luke 21:34-36
And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Watch therefore, and pray always, that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
 
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If you understand that God's Wrath on Judah and Jerusalem was executed in the Roman war centred around AD 70, read no further.

If you have shunted this monumental, epochal, divinely ordained event somewhere into the future, and wrapped some crazy eschatology around it, then consider Paul's words very carefully:

Romans 9: 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience the objects of wrath that are made for destruction

If you are caught up in the lie of Futurism, then I believe that you need to consider conforming your mind to the mind of Christ.

In a very real sense God made a Declaration Of his Power in AD 70, and as a Futurist you are committing a sin of ignorance, by denying his statement

I have never in my life seen such ignorance of God's Word!
Just a stupid post.
 

Bladerunner

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how many times does it make that we have been around this tree?
 
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If you understand that God's Wrath on Judah and Jerusalem was executed in the Roman war centred around AD 70, read no further.

If you have shunted this monumental, epochal, divinely ordained event somewhere into the future, and wrapped some crazy eschatology around it, then consider Paul's words very carefully:

Romans 9: 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience the objects of wrath that are made for destruction

If you are caught up in the lie of Futurism, then I believe that you need to consider conforming your mind to the mind of Christ.

In a very real sense God made a Declaration Of his Power in AD 70, and as a Futurist you are committing a sin of ignorance, by denying his statement
The great tribulation has not happened yet,for when it does it will be on a world wide level,that involves the Christians that rebelled against the beast kingdom,which is a kingdom that involves the whole world,the ten horn kingdom,the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section.

Jesus said that this tribulation will be the worse tribulation ever,and was not a tribulation like it before,and will not be a tribulation like it again.

It has nothing to do with the overthrow of Israel,and Jerusalem,in 70 A.D.,which they were overthrown because of their rejection of Christ,which God gave them a certain amount of time as a nation to turn to Jesus,but they did not do it,so God allowed the Roman Empire to overthrow them,and cast them in to the nations,which God will one day bring them back to their land,and bring them to the truth that Jesus is their Savior.

The overthrow of Jerusalem,and Israel,is a physical overthrow because they rejected Christ,but Jesus speaks to watch out for spiritual deception,but the overthrow of Jerusalem has nothing to do with watch out for spiritual deception,but was a physical overthrow,which what is there to look out for if it cannot be avoided,for they will get overthrown despite those that are with Christ,for the nation rejected Christ.

Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

This is the only reference to the Roman Empire overthrowing Jerusalem.The disciples said to Jesus look at all these lovely buildings,and Jesus said all these buildings are coming down.

That was it,and Jesus only said those buildings are coming down,because they said look at these great buildings.

Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

Then the disciples wanted to know the sign of Jesus' coming,and the end of the world,in which Jesus told them future events that are past the overthrow of Jerusalem,at the time of the end,and to watch out for spiritual deception,which is going on now,especially with the new age movement.

The world will come together and form a kingdom that does not believe in a personal God,based on nature worship,and the exaltation of people,and make war with all the people that did not take the mark.

The great tribulation is a future event,against all the Christians,in which they will be resurrected,and the wrath of God is poured upon the world,which they go against Israel,and God comes back with His saints and puts the world down,and Jesus rules the world for 1000 years over all the people that God spared at the battle of Armageddon.

Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
Zec 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

The Roman Empire overthrew Jerusalem,but here it is the entire world gathered together against Israel,all nations against her.

Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

God said He is going to gather all nations together against Jerusalem to battle,and then God will come back with the saints,and fight against them like He did in the day of battle.

ec 14:6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
Zec 14:7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
Zec 14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

The LORD shall be king over all the earth,and in that day there shall be one LORD,and His name one,which means nobody will acknowledge any God or spiritual figure,but only the LORD.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

All the people that God spared out of the nations that came against Israel shall have to go up year after year,and worship the LORD at Jerusalem.

This surely did not happen in the past,and is a future event.

Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Jer 46:27 But fear not thou, O my servant Jacob, and be not dismayed, O Israel: for, behold, I will save thee from afar off, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and be in rest and at ease, and none shall make him afraid.
Jer 46:28 Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the LORD: for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.

Eze 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
Eze 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
Eze 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
Eze 39:24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

The great tribulation has nothing to do with the overthrow of Jerusalem,and Israel,in 70 A.D.,but a future event,which is a persecution of all the Christians that rebel against the beast kingdom,which is the worse persecution ever because it involves the whole world going against them.

All nations will go against Israel,but God brought them to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah prior to that time,and God saves them,and the kingdom is restored to Israel in the millennial reign of Christ.
 

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God is love (1 John 4:16). God and Christ love all of humanity (John 3:16).
But Christ will be angry at the sins of mankind when He returns.

To save the human race alive (Matthew 24:22), He is coming to punish in love!
Otherwise, man would destroy all life upon the Earth!

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18And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead,
that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants
the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great;

and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

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17And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men,

because they have sinned against the Lord:
and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.
 
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[h=1]When Was the Book of Revelation Written?[/h][FONT=&quot]BY WAYNE JACKSON[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Traditionally, the book of Revelation has been dated near the end of the first century, around A.D. 96. Some writers, however, have advanced the preterist (from a Latin word meaning “that which is past”) view, contending that the Apocalypse was penned around A.D. 68 or 69, and thus the thrust of the book is supposed to relate to the impending destruction of Jerusalem (A.D. 70).[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]A few prominent names have been associated with this position (e.g., Stuart, Schaff, Lightfoot, Foy E. Wallace Jr.), and for a brief time it was popular with certain scholars. James Orr has observed, however, that recent criticism has reverted to the traditional date of near A.D. 96 (1939, 2584). In fact, the evidence for the later date is extremely strong.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In view of some of the bizarre theories that have surfaced in recent times (e.g., the notion that all end-time prophecies were fulfilled with the fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70), which are dependent upon the preterist interpretation, we offer the following.[/FONT]
[h=2]External Evidence[/h][FONT=&quot]The external evidence for the late dating of Revelation is of the highest quality.[/FONT]
[h=3]Irenaeus[/h][FONT=&quot]Irenaeus (A.D. 180), a student of Polycarp (who was a disciple of the apostle John), wrote that the apocalyptic vision “was seen not very long ago, almost in our own generation, at the close of the reign of Domitian” (Against Heresies 30). The testimony of Irenaeus, not far removed from the apostolic age, is first rate. He places the book near the end of Domitian’s reign, and that ruler died in A.D. 96. Irenaeus seems to be unaware of any other view for the date of the book of Revelation.[/FONT]
[h=3]Clement of Alexandria[/h][FONT=&quot]Clement of Alexandria (A.D. 155-215) says that John returned from the isle of Patmos “after the tyrant was dead” (Who Is the Rich Man? 42), and Eusebius, known as the “Father of Church History,” identifies the “tyrant” as Domitian (Ecclesiastical History III.23).[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Even Moses Stuart, America’s most prominent preterist, admitted that the “tyrant here meant is probably Domitian.” Within this narrative, Clement further speaks of John as an “old man.” If Revelation was written prior to A.D. 70, it would scarcely seem appropriate to refer to John as an old man, since he would only have been in his early sixties at this time.[/FONT]
[h=3]Victorinus[/h][FONT=&quot]Victorinus (late third century), author of the earliest commentary on the book of Revelation, wrote:[/FONT]
When John said these things, he was in the island of Patmos, condemned to the mines by Caesar Domitian. There he saw the Apocalypse; and when at length grown old, he thought that he should receive his release by suffering; but Domitian being killed, he was liberated (Commentary on Revelation10:11).
[h=3]Jerome[/h][FONT=&quot]Jerome (A.D. 340-420) said,[/FONT]
In the fourteenth then after Nero, Domitian having raised up a second persecution, he [John] was banished to the island of Patmos, and wrote the Apocalypse (Lives of Illustrious Men 9).
[FONT=&quot]To all of this may be added the comment of Eusebius, who contends that the historical tradition of his time (A.D. 324) placed the writing of the Apocalypse at the close of Domitian’s reign (III.18). McClintock and Strong, in contending for the later date, declare that “there is no mention in any writer of the first three centuries of any other time or place” (1969, 1064). Upon the basis of external evidence, therefore, there is little contest between the earlier and later dates.[/FONT]
[h=2]Internal Evidence[/h][FONT=&quot]The contents of the book of Revelation also suggest a late date, as the following observations indicate.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The spiritual conditions of the churches described in Revelation chapters two and three more readily harmonize with the late date.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The church in Ephesus, for instance, was not founded by Paul until the latter part of Claudius’s reign: and when he wrote to them from Rome, A.D. 61, instead of reproving them for any want of love, he commends their love and faith (Eph. 1:15) (Horne 1841, 382).[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Yet, when Revelation was written, in spite of the fact that the Ephesians had been patient (2:2), they had also left their first love (v. 4), and this would seem to require a greater length of time than seven or eight years, as suggested by the early date.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Another internal evidence of a late date is that this book was penned while John was banished to Patmos (1:9). It is well known that Domitian had a fondness for this type of persecution. If, however, this persecution is dated in the time of Nero, how does one account for the fact that Peter and Paul are murdered, yet John is only exiled to an island? (Eusebius III.18; II.25).[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Then consider this fact. The church at Laodicea is represented as existing under conditions of great wealth. She was rich and had need of nothing (3:17). In A.D. 60, though, Laodicea had been almost entirely destroyed by an earthquake. Surely it would have required more than eight or nine years for that city to have risen again to the state of affluence described in Revelation.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The doctrinal departures described in Revelation would appear to better fit the later dating. For example, the Nicolaitans (2:6, 15) were a full-fledged sect at the time of John’s writing, whereas they had only been hinted at in general terms in 2 Peter and Jude, which were written possibly around A.D. 65-66.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Persecution for professing the Christian faith is evidenced in those early letters to the seven churches of Asia Minor. For instance, Antipas had been killed in Pergamum (2:13). It is generally agreed among scholars, however, that Nero’s persecution was mostly confined to Rome; further, it was not for religious reasons (Harrison 1964, 446).[/FONT]
 

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When Was the Book of Revelation Written?

BY WAYNE JACKSON
Traditionally, the book of Revelation has been dated near the end of the first century, around A.D. 96. Some writers, however, have advanced the preterist (from a Latin word meaning “that which is past”) view, contending that the Apocalypse was penned around A.D. 68 or 69, and thus the thrust of the book is supposed to relate to the impending destruction of Jerusalem (A.D. 70).
A few prominent names have been associated with this position (e.g., Stuart, Schaff, Lightfoot, Foy E. Wallace Jr.), and for a brief time it was popular with certain scholars. James Orr has observed, however, that recent criticism has reverted to the traditional date of near A.D. 96 (1939, 2584). In fact, the evidence for the later date is extremely strong.
In view of some of the bizarre theories that have surfaced in recent times (e.g., the notion that all end-time prophecies were fulfilled with the fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70), which are dependent upon the preterist interpretation, we offer the following.
External Evidence

The external evidence for the late dating of Revelation is of the highest quality.
Irenaeus

Irenaeus (A.D. 180), a student of Polycarp (who was a disciple of the apostle John), wrote that the apocalyptic vision “was seen not very long ago, almost in our own generation, at the close of the reign of Domitian” (Against Heresies 30). The testimony of Irenaeus, not far removed from the apostolic age, is first rate. He places the book near the end of Domitian’s reign, and that ruler died in A.D. 96. Irenaeus seems to be unaware of any other view for the date of the book of Revelation.
Clement of Alexandria

Clement of Alexandria (A.D. 155-215) says that John returned from the isle of Patmos “after the tyrant was dead” (Who Is the Rich Man? 42), and Eusebius, known as the “Father of Church History,” identifies the “tyrant” as Domitian (Ecclesiastical History III.23).
Even Moses Stuart, America’s most prominent preterist, admitted that the “tyrant here meant is probably Domitian.” Within this narrative, Clement further speaks of John as an “old man.” If Revelation was written prior to A.D. 70, it would scarcely seem appropriate to refer to John as an old man, since he would only have been in his early sixties at this time.
Victorinus

Victorinus (late third century), author of the earliest commentary on the book of Revelation, wrote:
When John said these things, he was in the island of Patmos, condemned to the mines by Caesar Domitian. There he saw the Apocalypse; and when at length grown old, he thought that he should receive his release by suffering; but Domitian being killed, he was liberated (Commentary on Revelation10:11).
Jerome

Jerome (A.D. 340-420) said,
In the fourteenth then after Nero, Domitian having raised up a second persecution, he [John] was banished to the island of Patmos, and wrote the Apocalypse (Lives of Illustrious Men 9).
To all of this may be added the comment of Eusebius, who contends that the historical tradition of his time (A.D. 324) placed the writing of the Apocalypse at the close of Domitian’s reign (III.18). McClintock and Strong, in contending for the later date, declare that “there is no mention in any writer of the first three centuries of any other time or place” (1969, 1064). Upon the basis of external evidence, therefore, there is little contest between the earlier and later dates.
Internal Evidence

The contents of the book of Revelation also suggest a late date, as the following observations indicate.
The spiritual conditions of the churches described in Revelation chapters two and three more readily harmonize with the late date.
The church in Ephesus, for instance, was not founded by Paul until the latter part of Claudius’s reign: and when he wrote to them from Rome, A.D. 61, instead of reproving them for any want of love, he commends their love and faith (Eph. 1:15) (Horne 1841, 382).
Yet, when Revelation was written, in spite of the fact that the Ephesians had been patient (2:2), they had also left their first love (v. 4), and this would seem to require a greater length of time than seven or eight years, as suggested by the early date.
Another internal evidence of a late date is that this book was penned while John was banished to Patmos (1:9). It is well known that Domitian had a fondness for this type of persecution. If, however, this persecution is dated in the time of Nero, how does one account for the fact that Peter and Paul are murdered, yet John is only exiled to an island? (Eusebius III.18; II.25).
Then consider this fact. The church at Laodicea is represented as existing under conditions of great wealth. She was rich and had need of nothing (3:17). In A.D. 60, though, Laodicea had been almost entirely destroyed by an earthquake. Surely it would have required more than eight or nine years for that city to have risen again to the state of affluence described in Revelation.
The doctrinal departures described in Revelation would appear to better fit the later dating. For example, the Nicolaitans (2:6, 15) were a full-fledged sect at the time of John’s writing, whereas they had only been hinted at in general terms in 2 Peter and Jude, which were written possibly around A.D. 65-66.
Persecution for professing the Christian faith is evidenced in those early letters to the seven churches of Asia Minor. For instance, Antipas had been killed in Pergamum (2:13). It is generally agreed among scholars, however, that Nero’s persecution was mostly confined to Rome; further, it was not for religious reasons (Harrison 1964, 446).

I think, that the best evidence of when Rev was written is the fact that the book of the 7 seals is opened.

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It could be assumed that the book of the 7 seals is the same book that is sealed until the time of the end in Dan. 12.

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The angel (Dan. 12) says that when the power of the holy people is scattered (70 AD) these things will be finished (all the things in the last vision of Dan.)

He says that the time is 3 1/2ts,

So from the angel speaking, at the time of the Babylonian captivity, until 70 AD was the 1st 3 1/2 ts.

The 2nd 3 1/2 ts is from 70 AD until Israel was restored to Jerusalem in 1967.

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The time of the end began on Pentecost.

But it wasn't until 70 AD that the power of the holy people would be scattered.

The destruction of Jerusalem is shown in the 6th seal,

And the opening of the 7th seal shows that the requirements to open the little book had be met.

Jesus opened the book in 96 ad (approx) and copies of the book were sent to the churches.

They read the story of the 2 witnesses, which is what the little book says.

It is the story of Israel until they are restored to Jerusalem and the resurrection.

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So it appears to me that the Rev was given after 70 AD.