Supposed trips to heaven

[MarshallJohn]

Recently my church hosted a preacher who claimed to have visited heaven. I did not recognize his name so I googled him and was worried by what I saw:

I checked out his website and his own vignette stated that, "discouraged with only 10 healings in a 26 year ministry he sought breakthrough by studying the Sid Roth show 6-8 hours a day". I think studying the Sid Roth show for 8 hours a day would more likely lead you into a chronic vegetative state instead of a deeper relationship with God.

He said in an interview with Sid Roth:

"An angel came to me and he had sandy brown hair. He took me up into theheavens. I was taken to the body parts room and there

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on the table and hanging were literally
hearts, kidneys, bones, livers, different body parts, fingers, eyes, ears, all kinds of body parts.
And there were two angels assigned to me. One was an angel that would give me revelation
concerning healing, miracles and other matters, and the other was an angel that would minister
with me in the area of miracles. And the angel that was assigned to me for miracles told me that
God was gonna have me bring His healing power to the nations."

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He also claimed that while in heaven the Lord gave him books. "He read how to pierce the heavenly veil so the Father’s supernatural blessings can be released".

My problems with this:
1. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 says that the scripture we all have is all we need to be equipped for "every" good work.
No further revelation is needed and any further revelation is condemned.

Claims of extra biblical revelation are blasphemy because it is saying God forgot to add something to His written word and it took Him 2000 years to remember it. It is an attack on the omniscience of God.

2. Why would the God who spoke the universe into existence need to grow body parts.
3. Paul warned that those who boast of angelic visions were actually unspiritual, puffed up in the fleshy minds, and separated from Christ. Colossians 2:18-19
4. Those prophets mentioned in the bible as having prophetic visions of heaven were fixated on Gods glory and their own sin. Modern day prophets are fixated on talking flowers, body parts rooms etc.. with little to no mention of Gods glory.
5. Why would this man need angels to give him revelation? That is the Holy Spirits job to open the written word to all Christians as it is studied, preached and taught using proper biblical exegesis.
6. If God needs this mans help to "pierce the heavenly veil" so "His blessings can be released" That is an attack on His omnipotence. Such a claim is blasphemy.

I have also seen videos of this man associating with the angel feather and gold dust crowed. What has light to do with darkness.

My pastor brushes all these things aside and people at my church seem willing to accept this person as great man of God without asking any questions. Where has discernment gone?

What are your thoughts?

 

[tourist]

I think that this claims of this man are ludicrous.

 

[Demi777]

that dude was most likely on drugs when he did those statements.. Ive seen some of Sid Roth and often I have to turn it off.

 

[kaylagrl]

Recently my church hosted a preacher who claimed to have visited heaven. I did not recognize his name so I googled him and was worried by what I saw:

I checked out his website and his own vignette stated that, "discouraged with only 10 healings in a 26 year ministry he sought breakthrough by studying the Sid Roth show 6-8 hours a day". I think studying the Sid Roth show for 8 hours a day would more likely lead you into a chronic vegetative state instead of a deeper relationship with God.

He said in an interview with Sid Roth:

"An angel came to me and he had sandy brown hair. He took me up into theheavens. I was taken to the body parts room and there

​

on the table and hanging were literally
hearts, kidneys, bones, livers, different body parts, fingers, eyes, ears, all kinds of body parts.
And there were two angels assigned to me. One was an angel that would give me revelation
concerning healing, miracles and other matters, and the other was an angel that would minister
with me in the area of miracles. And the angel that was assigned to me for miracles told me that
God was gonna have me bring His healing power to the nations."

​

He also claimed that while in heaven the Lord gave him books. "He read how to pierce the heavenly veil so the Father’s supernatural blessings can be released".

My problems with this:
1. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 says that the scripture we all have is all we need to be equipped for "every" good work.
No further revelation is needed and any further revelation is condemned.

Claims of extra biblical revelation are blasphemy because it is saying God forgot to add something to His written word and it took Him 2000 years to remember it. It is an attack on the omniscience of God.

2. Why would the God who spoke the universe into existence need to grow body parts.
3. Paul warned that those who boast of angelic visions were actually unspiritual, puffed up in the fleshy minds, and separated from Christ. Colossians 2:18-19
4. Those prophets mentioned in the bible as having prophetic visions of heaven were fixated on Gods glory and their own sin. Modern day prophets are fixated on talking flowers, body parts rooms etc.. with little to no mention of Gods glory.
5. Why would this man need angels to give him revelation? That is the Holy Spirits job to open the written word to all Christians as it is studied, preached and taught using proper biblical exegesis.
6. If God needs this mans help to "pierce the heavenly veil" so "His blessings can be released" That is an attack on His omnipotence. Such a claim is blasphemy.

I have also seen videos of this man associating with the angel feather and gold dust crowed. What has light to do with darkness.

My pastor brushes all these things aside and people at my church seem willing to accept this person as great man of God without asking any questions. Where has discernment gone?

What are your thoughts?

Ahh yes,gold in the teeth,feathers from the rafters,spiritual birthing. Seen and heard it all,nothing surprises me anymore. I shouldn't say that,someone will take it as a challenge. People will argue with me Im sure but here's my thoughts. Total nonsense. Its a fad,a way to get into the pockets of the people and a way to have a cult following. Ive seen so many churches torn apart by this junk. They have a claim of spiritual superiority and if you don't get it, you're not worthy. It is utter foolishness.You need to go to your pastor with your concerns and if he refuses to listen you need to consider moving to another church. Its nothing more than fluff and a way to make yourself look more spiritual than others.My grandmother use to say the ground is level at the foot of the cross.And so it is. No one has special knowledge the rest of us don't have. You are totally right.

 

[LanceA]

Sid Roth is entertaining but I've only seen a handful of people on the show that I would say were sane. I really don't know what to think of people visiting heaven then coming back. I know that Paul possibly did but other than that I really don't know.

 

[Yonah]

Isa 8:20
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

 

[presidente]

My problems with this:
1. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 says that the scripture we all have is all we need to be equipped for "every" good work.
No further revelation is needed and any further revelation is condemned.

I don't know what translation you are using, but the passage says no such thing.


It seems like a lot of cessationists have dyslexia. They read a verse that all scripture is inspired by God, and turn it around to say that scripture is all that is inspired by God and is profitable for doctrine, rebuke, etc.


As a matter of logic, a statement that scripture is given that the man of God might be fully equipped is not the same thing that scripture is all that is needed to be fully equipped.


I could say the US government gives the soldier bullets so that he might be fully equipped. That is true. But he also has a gun and a uniform. Giving a naked soldier with no rifle some bullets doesn't make him fully equipped. But he does need the bullets to be fully equipped.


What is really weird about using this passage against the operation of spiritual gifts is that the New Testament scriptures actually teach us that we need people with these various spiritual gifts. So the argument is that we don't need something the Bible teaches us that we need because we have the Bible. Can we apply the same logic and say that we don't need love, faith, or holiness because we have the Bible?


Can we be fully equipped without grace? When spiritual gifts operate, God's grace is at work. We have gifts (charismata) differing according to the grace (charis) given unto us. Grace and gifts are very interrelated concepts.


Scripture also commands 'Despise not prophesyings.' It makes no sense to twist this verse directed to Timothy around to make it contradict other scripture. In I Timothy 1, Paul said Timothy had a spiritual gift in him by the laying on of Paul's hands. Timothy was supposed to stir it up. What was the point of stirring it up if he was going to lose the gift when he read chapter 3? If the gift of prophecy no longer functioned when Timothy got to the end of chapter 3, then chapter 4 wouldn't be inspired scripture would it? Neither would the book of Revelation.


How will the two witnesses prophesy and do miracles if such things no longer exist?

Claims of extra biblical revelation are blasphemy because it is saying God forgot to add something to His written word and it took Him 2000 years to remember it.

I'd say your statement is closer to blasphemy. The Bible is 100% clear that not all prophecy is in the Bible. Think through the references to prophecy in scripture. Samuel prophesied words that did not fall to the ground after that one prophecy we actually read and the ministry we read about at the end of his life. Samuel told Saul that he would meet prophets and they would prophesy. Saul also prophesied. Saul's prophecies and the prophecies of the prophets from Shiloh are not in the Bible.


What the seven thunders said wasn't written in the Bible. What the man in the third heaven saw wasn't in scripture. The Bible never teaches that all revelation is in scripture. No man knows the Father but the Son, and he to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him. So we can't know God without revelation. Paul prayed for believers to have the Spirit of revelation. Revelation is not only in a book. It is in all genuine believers. And there are specific revelatory gifts.


Jude said for the faith that was once delivered to the saints. The faith has already been revealed. Apostolic doctrine has been revealed. But who has been called to what ministry-- that is not all recorded in the Bible. What God wants you to focus on for your own ministry, that is not all in the Bible. The problem your child is struggling with that you finally know after spending time in prayer is not revealed in the Bible. We can't see 'Chuck is called to be a missionary to Africa' in the Bible. The Spirit can reveal such things. But it is not all in scripture.


You seem to be adding doctrine to the faith once delivered to the saints, doctrine contrary to what is taught in I Corinthians.

As far as trips to heaven go, I certainly can't vouch for all of them, and I am skeptical of many of these claims. I've heard of the body part room on different occasions from different people. When people have visions, they can also be metaphorical.

 

[notuptome]

I don't know what translation you are using, but the passage says no such thing.


It seems like a lot of cessationists have dyslexia. They read a verse that all scripture is inspired by God, and turn it around to say that scripture is all that is inspired by God and is profitable for doctrine, rebuke, etc.


As a matter of logic, a statement that scripture is given that the man of God might be fully equipped is not the same thing that scripture is all that is needed to be fully equipped.


I could say the US government gives the soldier bullets so that he might be fully equipped. That is true. But he also has a gun and a uniform. Giving a naked soldier with no rifle some bullets doesn't make him fully equipped. But he does need the bullets to be fully equipped.


What is really weird about using this passage against the operation of spiritual gifts is that the New Testament scriptures actually teach us that we need people with these various spiritual gifts. So the argument is that we don't need something the Bible teaches us that we need because we have the Bible. Can we apply the same logic and say that we don't need love, faith, or holiness because we have the Bible?


Can we be fully equipped without grace? When spiritual gifts operate, God's grace is at work. We have gifts (charismata) differing according to the grace (charis) given unto us. Grace and gifts are very interrelated concepts.


Scripture also commands 'Despise not prophesyings.' It makes no sense to twist this verse directed to Timothy around to make it contradict other scripture. In I Timothy 1, Paul said Timothy had a spiritual gift in him by the laying on of Paul's hands. Timothy was supposed to stir it up. What was the point of stirring it up if he was going to lose the gift when he read chapter 3? If the gift of prophecy no longer functioned when Timothy got to the end of chapter 3, then chapter 4 wouldn't be inspired scripture would it? Neither would the book of Revelation.


How will the two witnesses prophesy and do miracles if such things no longer exist?





I'd say your statement is closer to blasphemy. The Bible is 100% clear that not all prophecy is in the Bible. Think through the references to prophecy in scripture. Samuel prophesied words that did not fall to the ground after that one prophecy we actually read and the ministry we read about at the end of his life. Samuel told Saul that he would meet prophets and they would prophesy. Saul also prophesied. Saul's prophecies and the prophecies of the prophets from Shiloh are not in the Bible.


What the seven thunders said wasn't written in the Bible. What the man in the third heaven saw wasn't in scripture. The Bible never teaches that all revelation is in scripture. No man knows the Father but the Son, and he to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him. So we can't know God without revelation. Paul prayed for believers to have the Spirit of revelation. Revelation is not only in a book. It is in all genuine believers. And there are specific revelatory gifts.


Jude said for the faith that was once delivered to the saints. The faith has already been revealed. Apostolic doctrine has been revealed. But who has been called to what ministry-- that is not all recorded in the Bible. What God wants you to focus on for your own ministry, that is not all in the Bible. The problem your child is struggling with that you finally know after spending time in prayer is not revealed in the Bible. We can't see 'Chuck is called to be a missionary to Africa' in the Bible. The Spirit can reveal such things. But it is not all in scripture.


You seem to be adding doctrine to the faith once delivered to the saints, doctrine contrary to what is taught in I Corinthians.

As far as trips to heaven go, I certainly can't vouch for all of them, and I am skeptical of many of these claims. I've heard of the body part room on different occasions from different people. When people have visions, they can also be metaphorical.

2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Once again you contradict the word of God.

You go to great lengths to manufacture heretical doctrines.

All these supposed trips to heaven are completely false and unbiblical.

2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Get on the firm foundation that cannot be moved.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[blue_ladybug]

A body parts room in heaven? Pardon me while I .


That is totally and absolutely the most ridiculous thing I have EVER heard about the contents of heaven..

 

[Magenta]

Jesus said: No one has ascended to heaven but He who came
down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.

 

[MarshallJohn]

God is not offended by his children testing what is said in His name by comparing to His word. He commands us to do it and commends those who do. Look at the Bereans in Acts17.
I Thes 5:21 tells us to test everything claimed to be spoken by prophets. John tells us to try the spirits to prove they are of God. The only people offended by having their words tested are the false prophets who try to threaten people with Psalm 105:15 "touch not mine anointed, do my prophets no harm" which is referring to physical harm against actual prophets of God and not confronting false prophets with their lies. Titus 1:9 states that Gods ministers must know sound doctrine in order to teach others and rebuke those who contradict it.

Here is a quoted from Albert Barnes commentary on 1 Thes 5:21 "Christianity does not require people to disregard their reason, or to be credulous. It does not expect them to believe anything because others say it is so. It does not make it a duty to receive as undoubted truth all that synods and councils have decreed; or all that is advanced by the ministers of religion. It is, more than any other form of religion, the friend of free inquiry, and would lead people everywhere to understand the reason of the opinions which they entertain; compare Acts 17:11-12; 1 Peter 3:15."

"Error, superstition, bigotry, and fanaticism attempt to repress free discussion, by saying that there are certain things which are too sacred in their nature, or which have been too long held, or which are sanctioned by too many great and holy names, to permit their being subjected to the scrutiny of common eyes, or to be handled by common hands. In opposition to all this, Christianity requires us to examine everything - no matter by whom held; by what councils ordained; by what venerableness of antiquity sustained; or by what sacredness it may be invested. We are to receive no opinion until we are convinced that it is true; we are to be subjected to no pains or penalties for not believing what we do not perceive to be true; we are to be prohibited from examining no opinion which our fellow-men regard as true, and which they seek to make others believe. No popular current in favor of any doctrine; no influence which name and rank and learning can give it, is to commend it to us as certainly worthy of our belief. By whomsoever held, we are to examine it freely before we embrace it; but when we are convinced that it is true, it is to be held, no matter what current of popular opinion or prejudice maybe against it; no matter what ridicule may be poured upon it; and no matter though the belief of it may require us to die a martyr's death. "

Where Ephesian 2:20 speaks of the foundation of the church being laid on the foundation of the apostles and prophets it is saying "having been laid". It is already laid, the foundation of the church is the written word of God and nothing more can be added to it.

 

[NarrowRoadDisciple]

Honestly, when it comes to people claiming to have gone to heaven and back....
Do their descriptions of heaven line up with the scriptural description of heaven?
If not... then we should be careful when considering what they have seen.

 

[KALYNA18]

Jesus said: No one has ascended to heaven but He who came
down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.

There was a story where the rich man died and asked someone if he could go back and tell his family about the terrible place he was in, it was replied back that no man has ever went back to earth, neither from heaven or hell. I will find that scripture. Ty.

 

[KALYNA18]

A body parts room in heaven? Pardon me while I View attachment 163102 .


That is totally and absolutely the most ridiculous thing I have EVER heard about the contents of heaven..

 

[KALYNA18]

I think that this claims of this man are ludicrous.

 

[Angela53510]

I don't know what translation you are using, but the passage says no such thing.


It seems like a lot of cessationists have dyslexia. They read a verse that all scripture is inspired by God, and turn it around to say that scripture is all that is inspired by God and is profitable for doctrine, rebuke, etc.


As a matter of logic, a statement that scripture is given that the man of God might be fully equipped is not the same thing that scripture is all that is needed to be fully equipped.


I could say the US government gives the soldier bullets so that he might be fully equipped. That is true. But he also has a gun and a uniform. Giving a naked soldier with no rifle some bullets doesn't make him fully equipped. But he does need the bullets to be fully equipped.


What is really weird about using this passage against the operation of spiritual gifts is that the New Testament scriptures actually teach us that we need people with these various spiritual gifts. So the argument is that we don't need something the Bible teaches us that we need because we have the Bible. Can we apply the same logic and say that we don't need love, faith, or holiness because we have the Bible?


Can we be fully equipped without grace? When spiritual gifts operate, God's grace is at work. We have gifts (charismata) differing according to the grace (charis) given unto us. Grace and gifts are very interrelated concepts.


Scripture also commands 'Despise not prophesyings.' It makes no sense to twist this verse directed to Timothy around to make it contradict other scripture. In I Timothy 1, Paul said Timothy had a spiritual gift in him by the laying on of Paul's hands. Timothy was supposed to stir it up. What was the point of stirring it up if he was going to lose the gift when he read chapter 3? If the gift of prophecy no longer functioned when Timothy got to the end of chapter 3, then chapter 4 wouldn't be inspired scripture would it? Neither would the book of Revelation.


How will the two witnesses prophesy and do miracles if such things no longer exist?





I'd say your statement is closer to blasphemy. The Bible is 100% clear that not all prophecy is in the Bible. Think through the references to prophecy in scripture. Samuel prophesied words that did not fall to the ground after that one prophecy we actually read and the ministry we read about at the end of his life. Samuel told Saul that he would meet prophets and they would prophesy. Saul also prophesied. Saul's prophecies and the prophecies of the prophets from Shiloh are not in the Bible.


What the seven thunders said wasn't written in the Bible. What the man in the third heaven saw wasn't in scripture. The Bible never teaches that all revelation is in scripture. No man knows the Father but the Son, and he to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him. So we can't know God without revelation. Paul prayed for believers to have the Spirit of revelation. Revelation is not only in a book. It is in all genuine believers. And there are specific revelatory gifts.


Jude said for the faith that was once delivered to the saints. The faith has already been revealed. Apostolic doctrine has been revealed. But who has been called to what ministry-- that is not all recorded in the Bible. What God wants you to focus on for your own ministry, that is not all in the Bible. The problem your child is struggling with that you finally know after spending time in prayer is not revealed in the Bible. We can't see 'Chuck is called to be a missionary to Africa' in the Bible. The Spirit can reveal such things. But it is not all in scripture.


You seem to be adding doctrine to the faith once delivered to the saints, doctrine contrary to what is taught in I Corinthians.

As far as trips to heaven go, I certainly can't vouch for all of them, and I am skeptical of many of these claims. I've heard of the body part room on different occasions from different people. When people have visions, they can also be metaphorical.

I am not a total cessionist, as I do not believe I can put God in a box. If he heals someone, certainly that is a miracle. While Satan can deceive us, does Satan have the power to heal? I think not!

However, you really show your ignorance, Presidente concerning 2 Timothy, 3:16-17

"All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work." 2 Tim. 3:16-17 ESV

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." 2 Tim. 3:16-17 NIV

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Tim. 3:16-17 KJV

As you can see, with the exception of the translation of [FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]ἄρτιος (ratios) which is only found in this passage and is a hapax legomena. Bauer says:[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]ἄρτιος (Artios) pertinent to being well fitted for some function, complete, capable, proficient, able to meet all demands. Probably NIV comes closest to the correct translation. And an interesting new word for me! [/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]But the KEY word here is - γραφὴ. This means "writing, Scripture." Thus it does not refer to any kind of new revelation, but rather, to something that has been written down. I have heard it argued that this only refers to the Old Testament, but I think Paul had written a lot of his letters by this time, and therefore, those are also inspired by God. [/FONT]


This verses is a caution and a warning, in addition to an encouragement to knowing the Word of God - the written, inspired Word.

Because, if we do not know the word of God, how can we know and understand doctrine and be able to reprove or correct someone. That is the biggest issue we have in this forum, and I am quite sure it also reflects what is going on in many churches today.

Any new revelation must be checked against the Word of God. Paul had a vision of heaven, but he was God's chosen to the Gentiles and would not even use his own name.

"I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows. 3 And I know that this man was caught up into paradise—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— 4 and he heard things that cannot be told, which man may not utter. 5 On behalf of this man I will boast, but on my own behalf I will not boast, except of my weaknesses—6 though if I should wish to boast, I would not be a fool, for I would be speaking the truth; but I refrain from it, so that no one may think more of me than he sees in me or hears from me." 2 Cor. 12:2-6

Paul became more humble after having his vision, not less. It seems to me like the person the OP is talking about is a fraud and shyster. And that people who believe him have not read the written Word of God, which needs to be our standard.

Paul would not say what he saw, then neither should this Sid Roth. Just a terrible deception!

 

[presidente]

2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Again, this illustrates the danger of rejecting the teaching of the word of God, including the teaching on spiritual gifts. How can you be thoroughly equipped unto good works if you reject these teachings? The scriptures, including the scriptures that Timothy actually grew up reading that Timothy would have taken Paul's statement to refer to, speak of the Spirit being poured out on all flesh. Your sons and daughters shall prophesy it says.

We need to believe and follow what the scripture teaching. We shouldn't think we no longer need to believe the Bible since now we have a copy of the Bible. We shouldn't believe that the Bible replaces the teachings that are in the Bible.

Once again you contradict the word of God.

You go to great lengths to manufacture heretical doctrines.

You are the one trying to use scripture to argue against scripture.

All these supposed trips to heaven are completely false and unbiblical.

Many of them may be. I was pointing out that the OPs basis for objecting to them was false and unbiblcal.

 

[plainguy]

What airline did he fly ?

 

[presidente]

However, you really show your ignorance, Presidente concerning 2 Timothy, 3:16-17

"All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work." 2 Tim. 3:16-17 ESV

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." 2 Tim. 3:16-17 NIV

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Tim. 3:16-17 KJV

As you can see, with the exception of the translation of ἄρτιος (ratios) which is only found in this passage and is a hapax legomena. Bauer says:

ἄρτιος (Artios) pertinent to being well fitted for some function, complete, capable, proficient, able to meet all demands. Probably NIV comes closest to the correct translation. And an interesting new word for me!

Angela,
How does what you posted in any way contradict what I wrote. My comment was about semantics and an interpretation that relies on switching word order in one's mind.

The passage says,
[FONT=&quot]16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.[/FONT]

It says 'all scripture is given...that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.'

It does NOT say 'Scripture is all that is given...that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.'

That's the say some cessationists interpret the passage. The passage shows us that scripture enables the man of God to be thoroughly furnished for good works, but not that it is all a man needs. The really weird thing about the cessationist position is that it requires us to believe that the man of God can be thoroughly furnished without the stuff the scriptures indicate we need.

I Corinthians 12 implies that we need gifted members of the body with gifts like the word of wisdom, the word of knowledge, prophecy, faith, gifts of healing, discernment of spirits, intepretation of tongues, etc. One part of the body is not to say to another, "I have no need of thee."

What if someone took this passage from I Timothy, reinterpreted the cessationist way, misquoting it and saying 'Scripture is all that is inspired of God' and therefore concludes that we don't need the things the Bible says we need because we have the Bible"

He can say,
"We don't need prophesying because we have the Bible."
"We don't need visions because we have the Bible."
"We don't need grace because we have the Bible."
"We don't need repentence because we have the Bible."
"We don't need water baptism because we have the Bible."
"We don't need ordained ministry because we have the Bible."

Why is it that when cessationists apply this verse to prophesying, they say we don't need something tells us to earnestly desire to do, but they don't apply the exact same rational to water baptism, ordained ministry, abstaining from fornication, brother love, etc.?

The passage says scripture is profitable for doctrine, so we must believe what it's doctrine teaches. We shouldn't think that having a copy of the Bible means we don't have to believe it's doctrines on spiritual gifts.

But the KEY word here is - γραφὴ. This means "writing, Scripture." Thus it does not refer to any kind of new revelation, but rather, to something that has been written down. I have heard it argued that this only refers to the Old Testament, but I think Paul had written a lot of his letters by this time, and therefore, those are also inspired by God.

Maybe. But Paul also told Timothy he had studied the scriptures from his childhood. Since Paul told Timothy to stir spiritual gifts up in him in the same letter, it makes little sense that Timothy's gift would have ceased. If this were a polemic against revelatory gifts, that doesnt' make sense, since the Revelatory gifts clearly continued on in the writing of the book of Revelation. And we accept I Timothy 4 and II Timothy as scripture, too, so we must believe the gifts necessary to communicate inspired scripture were still active.

This verses is a caution and a warning, in addition to an encouragement to knowing the Word of God - the written, inspired Word.

We both agree that is important. It is also important that beleivers not take a passage that emphasises the importance of Biblical doctrine and twist it around to use it as an excuse for rejecting Biblical doctrine (on prophesying and other spiritual gifts.)

Any new revelation must be checked against the Word of God.

Certainly.

Paul had a vision of heaven, but he was God's chosen to the Gentiles and would not even use his own name.

Sure (assuming that was Paul which seems to be the case.) But he saw unutterable things. That doesn't mean someone else might not have a vision of heaven and see utterable things. John was allowed to share much of his revelation, but was told to seal up the seven thunders. He was not allowed to write down what they said.

Paul became more humble after having his vision, not less. It seems to me like the person the OP is talking about is a fraud and shyster.

I don't know. I don't think it would be appropriate to make such a declaration without watching the video first, just based on the post of someone I've never met on a forum.
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[CharlieGrown]

I think I know who this is, last name Duval?