The Gospel of Christ vs Scripture

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John146

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As believers, we are commanded to take the gospel of Jesus Christ (1Corinthians 15:3-4) to the whole world. What is the purpose of the rest of Scripture?

2 Timothy 3
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Notice Scripture is given for the man of God to make the man of God perfect, complete, not lacking anything in order that the man of God will be completely furnished unto all good works.
Once we take the gospel out to the world and people get saved, we are to guide them through Scripture to teach them to live for the Lord; to provide reproof; to provide correction; to provide instruction from Scripture. This provision in Scripture can be through a local church or personal discipleship.

Before one is saved, it's all about the gospel of Christ. Once one is saved, it's all about Scripture.

 
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FreeNChrist

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As believers, we are commanded to take the gospel of Jesus Christ (1Corinthians 15:3-4) to the whole world. What is the purpose of the rest of Scripture?

2 Timothy 3
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Notice Scripture is given for the man of God to make the man of God perfect, complete, not lacking anything in order that the man of God will be completely furnished unto all good works.
Once we take the gospel out to the world and people get saved, we are to guide them through Scripture to teach them to live for the Lord; to provide reproof; to provide correction; to provide instruction from Scripture. This provision in Scripture can be through a local church or personal discipleship.

Before one is saved, it's all about the gospel of Christ. Once one is saved, it's all about Scripture.

Our need for the gospel of Christ never ends. That is the very purpose of those scriptures, to testify of Jesus....the Lord God and Savior of the world.
 
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I believe how we have received Christ - that is how we are to walk in Him. I believe the Holy Spirit uses scripture to reveal Christ to us. The scriptures are not God nor do they replace Christ Himself but they speak and point towards Christ and our total dependence on what He has done for us.

Colossians 2:6-8 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him,

[SUP]7 [/SUP] having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith, just as you were instructed, and overflowing with gratitude.

[SUP]8 [/SUP] See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.
 

John146

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Our need for the gospel of Christ never ends. That is the very purpose of those scriptures, to testify of Jesus....the Lord God and Savior of the world.
I'm not following you. Can you explain further? Thanks.

Scripture will correct the man of God, reprove the man of God, and instruct the man of God in righteous living. This is the purpose of Scripture.
 

John146

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I believe how we have received Christ - that is how we are to walk in Him. I believe the Holy Spirit uses scripture to reveal Christ to us. The scriptures are not God nor do they replace Christ Himself but they speak and point towards Christ and our total dependence on what He has done for us.

Colossians 2:6-8 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him,

[SUP]7 [/SUP] having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith, just as you were instructed, and overflowing with gratitude.

[SUP]8 [/SUP] See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.
The only way we know about Christ is through Scripture. The only way we know how to live godly once saved is through Scripture. Scripture is our final authority on all matters of faith and practice.
 
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The only way we know about Christ is through Scripture. The only way we know how to live godly once saved is through Scripture. Scripture is our final authority on all matters of faith and practice.
I agree.

Jesus used different things also other than scripture to reveal truths - like how creation works. Look at the birds of the air....etc. Jesus very rarely actually quoted scripture and when He did so - it was mostly when speaking with the religious Pharisees and Sadducees and scribes.

Don't get me wrong - I am all for the scriptures - but for the reason they were given - to reveal and speak of Christ and that we are to come to Him. The scriptures are not a means to themselves and they are not God Himself. We can in our own idolatry make the scriptures "God". That's the main point I am saying.

Here in lies the rub - unless the Holy Spirit reveals Christ in those scriptures - we end up with interpreting the scriptures with our own humanistic minds. This is the reason we have women walking around in some denominations with their hair in a bun and not wearing any jewelry...etc.

Scripture is NOT God and it is very important to have that fact established in our minds but also within all scripture is hidden Christ and we rely on Him only for all things. We rely on the Holy Spirit to reveal the truths of Christ that is in the scriptures. We thank God for the scriptures!
 

Blain

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your mistake is within the title the gospel of Christ vs scripture the title should be the gospel of Christ is scripture.
The bible declares that every scripture in the holy bible is God breathed, his own words and what was it that Jesus always spoke of? God's words he never spoke on his own accord he only repeated what he heard from his father. The entire bible from genesis 1 to revelation 22 is a love story the tale of father and his children sin and salvation light and darkness pain and healing and Jesus testifies every word ever written in the bible he is the physical manifestation of the word of God.

so you see you cannot have the gospel of Christ without scripture because they are one and the same
 
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BeyondET

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The only way we know about Christ is through Scripture. The only way we know how to live godly once saved is through Scripture. Scripture is our final authority on all matters of faith and practice.
I agree like learning about the choices a pelican will make in life... :)
 
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BeyondET

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People learn of spiritual knowledge Yes through scripture, though through life experiences as well, both shown as examples... :)
 
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FreeNChrist

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I'm not following you. Can you explain further? Thanks.

Scripture will correct the man of God, reprove the man of God, and instruct the man of God in righteous living. This is the purpose of Scripture.
Our need for the gospel does not end at conversion. And what is the correct teaching of scripture regarding righteous living?
 
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BeyondET

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Of the title thread Gospel of Christ vs scripture, Jesus started teaching more and more around 30 years old why some would say, will for a good part of His life Jesus gained knowledge of His surroundings through life experiences and these experiences translated into scripture. In any person's life they can do this as well, a person can't drive their car for ever at some point they have to stop for Gas...
 

Dino246

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The only way we know about Christ is through Scripture. The only way we know how to live godly once saved is through Scripture. Scripture is our final authority on all matters of faith and practice.
I agree in principle, but there is a danger in trying to find the answer to every question through Scripture alone. On some issues, we need the Holy Spirit to give us wisdom, because Scripture is not adequately clear or specific. We need both. The Holy Spirit will not violate Scripture (in that sense Scripture is the final authority); rather, He will take it, apply it, and make it alive to us in our everyday lives. The Holy Spirit within us steers our lives toward godliness; knowing Scripture (in isolation) does not change us. Just consider the devil for proof of that.
 

John146

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Of the title thread Gospel of Christ vs scripture, Jesus started teaching more and more around 30 years old why some would say, will for a good part of His life Jesus gained knowledge of His surroundings through life experiences and these experiences translated into scripture. In any person's life they can do this as well, a person can't drive their car for ever at some point they have to stop for Gas...
Are you saying there are additional things, outside of the word of truth, that we must learn in order to live for God? Scripture alone is not enough?
 
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BeyondET

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Are you saying there are additional things, outside of the word of truth, that we must learn in order to live for God? Scripture alone is not enough?
Well there are additional things but it isn't a must to learn in order to live for God, but of scripture IMO it's Ok to use life experiences and modern cultural ways to express scripture verses in a way others may feel a connection with a here and now type of thing as long as it's in a positive constructive way. I don't know anybody who still use frankincense or Myrrh, I'm sure some do but it's not as popular as it once was. A lot of the parables Jesus spoke of were from human culture.
 
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I use the pelican as a example which was used in the bible as well, but something else interesting about the pelican a mother pelican will rip off her own flesh and feed her young if she can't find any food for them so they can live.
On a spiritual sense IMO isn't that what God did for man.
 

John146

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Well there are additional things but it isn't a must to learn in order to live for God, but of scripture IMO it's Ok to use life experiences and modern cultural ways to express scripture verses in a way others may feel a connection with a here and now type of thing as long as it's in a positive constructive way. I don't know anybody who still use frankincense or Myrrh, I'm sure some do but it's not as popular as it once was. A lot of the parables Jesus spoke of were from human culture.
Yes, God can use life experiences to teach us truths from His word. But truth comes from the word of God.

2 Peter 1
16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Peter tells of his experience upon the mount, but states that Scripture is a more sure word of prophecy than his experience. The word of God always trumps experiences. If the experience does not line up with Scripture, then an experience cannot be trusted.
 
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Yes, God can use life experiences to teach us truths from His word. But truth comes from the word of God.

2 Peter 1
16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Peter tells of his experience upon the mount, but states that Scripture is a more sure word of prophecy than his experience. The word of God always trumps experiences. If the experience does not line up with Scripture, then an experience cannot be trusted.
There's a profound difference between a prophecy and a experience, A prophecy is a message of a future event, a experience is something that has happened or even said as a fulfilled prophecy like in some scripture verses were the prophecy was fulfilled.
It is finished is one of those verses.
 
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Yes, God can use life experiences to teach us truths from His word. But truth comes from the word of God.

2 Peter 1
16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Peter tells of his experience upon the mount, but states that Scripture is a more sure word of prophecy than his experience. The word of God always trumps experiences. If the experience does not line up with Scripture, then an experience cannot be trusted.
I totally agree that experiences cannot and should not violate the word of God nor do we base our lives of faith in Christ's work on "experiences". Because we can "feel saved" one day and not another....we can feel forgiven or not from one day to the next.....etc. We walk by faith and not by sight.

However even here we can make it look like as if scripture is everything but it says "that we should take heed to the morning star arising in our hearts". This is Christ shining through as we "see Him" in our hearts because of the light shining. He is the Light of the world.

The more sure word of prophecy is Christ Himself because Rev. 19:10 says that .."The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."

This scripture is actually IMO talking about how Christ arises from our hearts and we have the witness of Him which is a more sure thing then what we heard on the mountain that day.

The end goal of scripture is not scripture itself - it is Christ Himself of which the scriptures speak and testify of Him as He is revealed by the Holy Spirit.

2 Peter 1:17-19 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For when He received honor and glory from God the Father, such an utterance as this was made to Him by the Majestic Glory, "This is My beloved Son with whom I am well-pleased"—

[SUP]18 [/SUP] and we ourselves heard this utterance made from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain.

[SUP]19 [/SUP] So we have the prophetic word made more sure, to which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts.

I believe Peter is really saying something like this to us - "although we have heard with our own ears the Father speaking of Christ from heaven when we were on the holy mountain - we have this prophetic word/utterance being shined in our hearts more and more as we have the morning star of the witness of Christ Himself arise inside of us." My paraphrase obviously.
 

OneFaith

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As believers, we are commanded to take the gospel of Jesus Christ (1Corinthians 15:3-4) to the whole world. What is the purpose of the rest of Scripture?

2 Timothy 3
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Notice Scripture is given for the man of God to make the man of God perfect, complete, not lacking anything in order that the man of God will be completely furnished unto all good works.
Once we take the gospel out to the world and people get saved, we are to guide them through Scripture to teach them to live for the Lord; to provide reproof; to provide correction; to provide instruction from Scripture. This provision in Scripture can be through a local church or personal discipleship.

Before one is saved, it's all about the gospel of Christ. Once one is saved, it's all about Scripture.

Exactly. As Matthew 28 says "Baptize them AND teach them everything I have commanded you."
 

lastofall

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Also we see from (1 Corinthians 14:22b) that "prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe." And prophesy with an "s" is preaching, teaching, and speaking the Word of God toward others, whereas prophecy with a "c" is the foretelling as with the prophets. But in this matter the scripture can only be profitable for doctrine and reproof and correction and instruction in righteousness for them that believe, to the receptive hearer.