All i need to know about the future....

InSpiritInTruth · Nov 30, 2016

Right, you have to look at how the word is used in every instance and what it might symbolize, then being discerned by the Spirit. But His coming with and in the clouds speaks of the His coming with His saints. Think about what a natural cloud contains and brings to the earth by way of life giving natural water. As a natural cloud contains water, the saints also like clouds contain "Living waters" in them that bring Life, just as H20 nourishes the earth and every living thing that needs water to survive.

But there are also clouds without water, which means they have no life in them because Christ the "Living waters" is not in them.

Jude 1:12
These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

pottersclay · Nov 30, 2016

This is a good place to start. Notice Jesus is standing and not seated....what does that mean to you?

pottersclay · Nov 30, 2016

Ariel82 said:

Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.

***Future at the time it was written, but could it have been fulfilled already? It doesn't say Jesus will walk the Earth again but be upon the clouds. It doesn't say that "they who pierced him" will be dead when they behold him upon the clouds.

Reminds me of Stephen vision in Acts:

But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, and said, “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!”

Sorry, Jesus standing what does it mean to you?

Ariel82 · Nov 30, 2016

He has feet?

Ahwatukee · Nov 30, 2016

Hello Ariel82,

The above is when Christ returns to the earth to end the age. The detailed account of His return can be found in Rev.19:11-21.

His return to the earth is to end the age and establish his millennial reign, ruling from Jerusalem on the throne of David, just as the scriptures state.

Another event is that, the beast and the false prophet will be captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire. Regarding this, neither the beast nor the false prophet have been revealed. (Rev.19:20)

Immediately after this, Satan is thrown into the Abyss and restricted there for a literal thousand years. This has also not happened. (Rev.20:1-3)

Also, the next verse following the one that you cited, and in keeping with the parable of Matt.13, the angels go throughout the earth and first gather the weeds (one taken) and bring them back to Armageddon to be killed by that double-edged sword of Rev.19. Likewise, we have no record of this event taking place and which does so at the end of the age.

If you'll remember, scripture states that Jesus ascended into heaven where he is seated at the right hand off God. Well, when Stephan was about to die, the Lord was standing in honor of Stephen to receive his spirit.

The scripture that you cited is the return of Jesus to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom. At the end of the millennium is the great white throne judgment, followed by this heaven and earth departing, with a new heaven and new earth being created. Therefore, once Jesus returns to end the age, that will be the beginning of his government and end of all human government, never to be reestablished again.

Adstar · Nov 30, 2016

I have looked up the Wiki write up about the three main stances on this this and the one i agree with the most is Premilleniaism. I believe Jesus return will be the start of the 1000 year literal period on earth..

I agree. I cannot see how from reading the clear words of Revelation 20 and many other passages how anyone can think there is going to be a pre-trib rapture.. I believe it will happen on the day of the return of the LORD Jesus Christ..

Tribulation is suffering.. I believe When the Bible refers to tribulation it is pointing to the suffering that Christians face and will face from servants of satan.. I believe the Wrath is the suffering that these servants of satan will suffer that will come from God,, God shall avenge His people.. But His people are not subject to His Wrath.. So His people who remain and survive the tribulation will be protected through the Wrath...

There are two judgments One at either end of the 1000 years.. The first is the the one Jesus carries out with His Iron Rod upon those on earth and the second is the final judgment of the resurrected..

The Saints get them on the Day of the return of the LORD Jesus Christ at the start of the 1000 years.. Others who get them will receive them at the time of the final judgment at the end of Revelation 20… We are still in the times before the return of Jesus.. Thus the Saints have not been resurrected yet and Jesus is not ruling the earth with an Iron Rod yet.. We are still in the age of grace.. The crop of saints are still growing in the fields. The harvest shall be on the day of the second coming..

Ariel82 · Nov 30, 2016

Why would Jesus need to be ruling the Earth with an Iron rod?

pottersclay · Nov 30, 2016

Ariel82 said:

He is not yet seated on the throne funny girl.......what does that mean to you?

Ariel82 · Nov 30, 2016

Lol, love you too potter.

I see where you want to go, but seems a stretch to me.

We can lay out our premises and assumptions and then look at scripture and see if they hold up. However if scriptures shows that our assumptions are wrong, we need to re evaluate.

pottersclay · Nov 30, 2016

Ariel82 said:

Oh I agree totally.....this is not an assumption.

Ariel82 · Nov 30, 2016

This refers to?

Bladerunner · Nov 30, 2016

Ariel82 said:

for that you would have to study other prophecies, the ones that have been fulfilled, the ones that are partially fulfilled and the ones yet to be fulfilled.

CharlieGrown · Nov 30, 2016

I know the church is not mentioned after Rev. 4. Coincidental or God Incidental?

Ariel82 · Nov 30, 2016

CharlieGrown said:

???
That isn't true..Revelation 5
When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.

Adstar · Dec 1, 2016

Ariel82 said:

Because during the 1000 years His Saints will be ruling the earth with Him.. They will be ruling normal people.. Do you think Jesus would need an Iron Rod to rule over His Saints??

The followinbg verse in Revelation 19 ( note before Revelation 20 ) reveals that He will be ruling the nations on earth with an Iron Rod .After the Day of His return.

Revelation 19: KJV
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

notmyown · Dec 1, 2016

pottersclay said:

If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. (Col 3:1)

The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne. (Rev 3:21)

The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at my right hand,
until I put your enemies under your feet” (Matt 22:44)

looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God. (Heb 12:2)

Now the point in what we are saying is this: we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven (Heb 8:1)

He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high (Heb 1:3)

just a few

Ariel82 · Dec 1, 2016

Found this image summary of Revelation..

InSpiritInTruth · Dec 1, 2016

Here is a post I made about why I believe Christ is shown at the right hand of God the Father.

Mark 16:19 “So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”

You ever wonder what is symbolized there in that phrase with Christ being seated on, or standing on, or in the right hand of God? It is spoken of many times in NT….Luke 22:69, Acts 2:33, Acts 7:55, Acts 7:56 ,Romans 8:34 Colossians 3:1, Hebrews 10:12, Hebrews 12:2, 1 Peter 3:22.

It’s pretty interesting when you think about it. How do we as men and women do most of our manual work? We use our hands right? I mean if you were given a lump of clay and told to form or create something out of it you probably use your hands. In a spiritual sense I believe this is what God the Father is showing in His Word, which is His Son, by whom all things were made.

Hebrews 1:2 “Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;” Ephesians 3:9 “And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:” It is God’s Word that created all things, God said…..and it was so.

So it is fitting that Christ be shown as sitting on the right hand of God, who is God’s power and righteousness, and does the righteous works of God the Father. Psalm 48:10 “According to thy name, O God, so is thy praise unto the ends of the earth: thy right hand is full of righteousness.” Isaiah 41:10 “Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.”

As Christ is the righteousness of God….Philippians 3:9 “And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:”

Even Jesus proclaimed he did the works of the Father in John 5:36 “But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.

So in a spiritual sense you can see the right hand of the Father doing the works through His Word Jesus Christ. Even Jesus said in Luke 11:20 “But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.”

I think these mysteries are awesome when they truly come to Light.

Exodus 15:6
Thy right hand, O Lord, is become glorious in power: thy right hand, O Lord, hath dashed in pieces the enemy.

Exodus 15:12
Thou stretchedst out thy right hand, the earth swallowed them.

This is cool, check this out....

Deuteronomy 33:2
And he said, The Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.

Exodus 31:18
And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

Deuteronomy 9:10
And the Lord delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God; and on them was written according to all the words, which the Lord spake with you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.

Luke 11:20
But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.

InSpiritInTruth · Dec 1, 2016

Ariel82 said:

Because they don't want to listen to and obey the words of the Lord.

Psalm 2

2 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

[SUP]2 [/SUP]The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

[SUP]8 [/SUP]Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him."

Ariel82 · Dec 1, 2016

Folks say the millennial reign of Jesus will be peaceful, but it sounds more like war....

"Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel."

People are made to obey Jesus because they have to instead of because they want to?

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