Iron chariots

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trofimus

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"The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron."
(Judges 1:19)

What do you think of this?
 
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BeyondET

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IMO it can be Comparable to Peter stepping out of the boat and His reaction to walking on water...
 

trofimus

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I am adding the LXX version:

"And the Lord was with Judas, and he inherited the mountain; for they were not able to destroy the inhabitants of the valley, for Rechab prevented them."
(Judges 1:19, LXX)
 
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BeyondET

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That's cool if I'm not mistaken I think rechab Older meaning for horsemen and as well short for rechabites.
 
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BeyondET

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The other side of that coin would probably be David and Goliath account...
 
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"The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron."
(Judges 1:19)

What do you think of this?
My Bible (Revised Standard Version) puts it like this:

And the LORD was with Judah, and he took possession of the hill country, but he could not drive out the inhabitants of the plain, because they had chariots of iron.

It sounds like they are saying that the chariots were made of iron, and therefore too difficult to drive out.
 

trofimus

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My Bible (Revised Standard Version) puts it like this:

And the LORD was with Judah, and he took possession of the hill country, but he could not drive out the inhabitants of the plain, because they had chariots of iron.

It sounds like they are saying that the chariots were made of iron, and therefore too difficult to drive out.
Interesting thought.
 

trofimus

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Does anyone know, if LXX reading is the right one, who was Rechab and how could he prevent Judah from destroying the inhabitants?

I found on wiki:

"Rechabites are a biblical clan, the descendants of Rechab through Jehonadab. They belonged to the Kenites, who accompanied the Israelites into the Holy Land and dwelt among them."

So it seems that according to LXX Judah was just persuaded by their companions not to do it. If I got all facts right.

Making more sense to me than iron chariots standing against the power of God (as atheists try to describe this).
 
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BeyondET

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My Bible (Revised Standard Version) puts it like this:

And the LORD was with Judah, and he took possession of the hill country, but he could not drive out the inhabitants of the plain, because they had chariots of iron.

It sounds like they are saying that the chariots were made of iron, and therefore too difficult to drive out.
That's pretty much it the Judah had little faith that With God on their side the iron chariots would fall like a hot knife through butter but they doubted that.
 
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Miri

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The following passage is interesting, it seems there was a practical reason why they
could not defeat the inhabitants straight away.



Exodus 23:27-30 NKJV
[27] "I will send My fear before you, I will cause confusion among all the people
to whom you come, and will make all your enemies turn their backs to you. [28]
And I will send hornets before you, which shall drive out the Hivite, the Canaanite,
and the Hittite from before you. [29] I will not drive them out from before you
in one year, lest the land become desolate and the beasts of the field become too
numerous for you. [30] Little by little I will drive them out from before you, until
you have increased, and you inherit the land.
 

Bladerunner

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"The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron."
(Judges 1:19)

What do you think of this?

Hello Trofimus..........How have you been doing?




Judges 1:19 (KJV)

19 And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.

What happened here is the people lost their faith in the Lord and as he had done in the past......He simply withdrew his help!!!

See Joshua 17: 14-18 KJV
 
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My Bible (Revised Standard Version) puts it like this:

And the LORD was with Judah, and he took possession of the hill country, but he could not drive out the inhabitants of the plain, because they had chariots of iron.

It sounds like they are saying that the chariots were made of iron, and therefore too difficult to drive out.
Humm........ someone who actually just reads the Bible without trying to make "doctrine" out of every comment made in the book. I like that.
 
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HisHolly

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Same section of scripture when it said He didn't drive them all out bc He wanted to be able to test them to see whether they would follow Him or go their way? paraphrasing of course...
"The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron."
(Judges 1:19)

What do you think of this?
Its possible im mixing it up.. I should check....
 

Angela53510

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Here is an interesting part of a psalm

"Some trust in chariots and some in horses,
but we trust in the name of the Lord our God." Psalm 20:7


It seems like someone had learned their lesson! However, Isaiah also warned Israel against trusting in horses and chariots, and they did not listen. For they were carried away forever by the Assyrians in 722 BC. I believe that the Israelites were looking to Egypt for help instead of God.

"Woe to those who go down to Egypt for help
and rely on horses,who trust in chariots because they are many
and in horsemen because they are very strong,
but do not look to the Holy One of Israel
or consult the Lord!
2 And yet he is wise and brings disaster;
he does not call back his words,
but will arise against the house of the evildoers
and against the helpers of those who work iniquity.
3 The Egyptians are man, and not God,
and their horses are flesh, and not spirit.

When the Lord stretches out his hand,
the helper will stumble, and he who is helped will fall,
and they will all perish together." Isa. 31:1-3


 

wanderer6059

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"The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron."
(Judges 1:19)

What do you think of this?
because Iron is stronger than Bronze
 
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That's pretty much it the Judah had little faith that With God on their side the iron chariots would fall like a hot knife through butter but they doubted that.
Yes, if it was the Lord's wish that they take the plains, also. But it doesn't say that, does it? Maybe the Lord didn't want them to go down into the plains.
 

trofimus

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Hello Trofimus..........How have you been doing?




Judges 1:19 (KJV)

19 And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.

What happened here is the people lost their faith in the Lord and as he had done in the past......He simply withdrew his help!!!

See Joshua 17: 14-18 KJV
This is quite possible, but why does it not say that? It says because of iron chariots (MSS) or because of Rehab(LXX). Not "because of unbelief".

Doing well, thanks :)
 
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BeyondET

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Yes, if it was the Lord's wish that they take the plains, also. But it doesn't say that, does it? Maybe the Lord didn't want them to go down into the plains.
That is interesting as well as the other part of the verse (but they could not drive out the inhabitants) Is this a statement that implies they had tried but failed to drive them out or is it a statement that is saying, they thought that they could not drive them out.
 
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HisHolly

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I had put above that later in chapter 2 God didn't want them all removed so He could test obedience.
That is interesting as well as the other part of the verse (but they could not drive out the inhabitants) Is this a statement that implies they had tried but failed to drive them out or is it a statement that is saying, they thought that they could not drive them out.
 
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BeyondET

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I had put above that later in chapter 2 God didn't want them all removed so He could test obedience.
I saw that which verses are you speaking of? could you post the verses so I can look at them.

From reading Judges 1 there is two Judah mentioned one being a place (judges 1:16) and the other being a person (judges 1:17)