Creation Science

Bladerunner · Dec 1, 2016

A funny thing about Adam and Eve...

The 'Fall of Man' is something that is often debated...

"The fall of man, or the fall, is a term used in Christianity to describe the transition of the first man and woman from a state of innocent obedience to God to a state of guilty disobedience"

"Although not named in the Bible, the doctrine of the fall comes from a biblical interpretation of Genesis chapter 3"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_man

Let's study this a bit.

Do you know anything about the Double Slit Experiment?

[video=youtube;DfPeprQ7oGc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc&t=219s[/video]

Basically, nothing exists until it is observed.

It bothered Einstein greatly.

Thus, if there were no Observer in the Garden of Eden before the Fall, then no "Matter" would exist.

Ah! But if we could 'trick' a being that existed outside of Matter to 'observe'... what would happen?

Enter the Forbidden Fruit...

Genesis 3:7
"And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons"

And Bam!, just like that, Adam and Eve became the first beings to 'observe' the Wave Function, thus collapsing it.

We call it... The Big Bang.

I take it you are a wanta be or already are an atheist!

Zmouth · Dec 1, 2016

Bladerunner said:

In the beginning, God created the universe.
International Standard Version (ISV)

Interesting link.

Magenta · Dec 2, 2016

Base12 said:

That is a self contradictory statement, the equivalent of saying there are no absolutes.

Looks like malarkey to me.

Tintin · Dec 2, 2016

Magenta said:

Don't mind him, he's an irregular fruit-loop. He makes the Bible try to say things it just doesn't say.

trofimus · Dec 2, 2016

wanderer6059 said:

Yes, it never made much sense to me, why would the planet full of water would be described as empty or void.

Thats why I think MSS texts got it wrong and the LXX reading is the right one:

"And the earth/land was unseen and unprepared."

Thats exactly what the science says. Dray land appeared from the waters. so till then, it was unseen and unprepared.

OT texts of unbelieving Jews are flawed quite often, always check with the Christian OT - LXX.

The Gap theory is a nonsense, imho. It makes so huge construction based on so little in the Bible and on nothing from science.

BeyondET · Dec 2, 2016

trofimus said:

Here's a interesting fact the earth is covered by 71% water but collect all the water on and in the earth and create a ball mass of it and that mass is still only 0.02% compared to earths size, that is how big the earths solid land mass is. All the water on earth is still just a drop in a bucket compared to earths size.

BeyondET · Dec 2, 2016

Large ball 96.5% salt water, medium ball 3.5% fresh water, tiny ball locked in ice and in the earth.

Base12 · Dec 2, 2016

Bladerunner said:

Magenta said:

Tintin said:

Lol... still with the insults and name calling eh?

Funny how the Ones with the most posts and (so called) "Rep Points" are always the ones that can get away with breaking the most fundamental rules of the forum.

Thank you for being yet another shining example of bias and corruption. Imagine if I wrote like that?

Anyhow, for those without egos the size of Satan's Kingdom...

Whenever debating someone, it is highly reccommended for One to refute the Central Point, otherwise... not only does One lose the debate, but One runs the risk of making One's Self look foolish.

Example: "I believe Reincarnation is Biblical"

Intelligent Answer: "I think you are wrong based on Hebrews 9:27"

Unintelligent Answer: "You are a Basket of Deplorable Hermeneutics"

See the difference?

I suggest everyone meditate on this chart for a while...

Good luck and remember...

Be like unto Capstone!

Base12 · Dec 2, 2016

OK all you Basket of Deplorable Hermeneutical Fruit Loops(TM)... are you ready for some more Jimmy Rustling?

Excellent, let's get going!

The latest Scientific Evidence suggests we are all living in a type of 'Simulation'... like in a Video Game...

[video=youtube;J0KHiiTtt4w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0KHiiTtt4w&t=75s[/video]

Of course we Christians already knew this... right?

Exactly.

So let's summarize...

John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"

In the beginning, nothing existed except 'The Word'.

How can that be?

No Matter?, no Particles?, no Atoms?, No Universe as we know it?

Nope, just Words.

You know what that is similar to? Yes, a Computer Program... i.e. Software Code.

Thus, in the beginning, nothing existed except for the Software Code we call God...

And then what happened?

The 'Word' or 'Code' formed Twelve Particles of Matter called The Standard Model...

...which is represented by the High Priest's Breastplate.

Thus the Word of God, via the Standard Model, began to 'frame' the World we know today...

Hebrews 11:3
"Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear"

Things which are 'seen' (Matter) were made of things that are invisible to us (Word of God)...

How did this happen? Scripture gives us the answer...

Eventually, the Twelve Tribes or Standard Model formed the Godhead, or what we now call the Generic Atomic Construct...

1 John 5:7
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one"

There is even an Antimatter version...

The Twelve Tribes created the Tabernacle in the Wilderness... the Godhead.

Scripture even goes as far as to say that everything that makes up the Material World is made up of little 'Godheads'.

We call them Atoms...

Romans 1:20
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse"

The 'Invisible Things' (Word of God) are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made (Matter), even his eternal Power (Four Forces of Nature) and Godhead (Generic Atomic Construct).

God even goes as far as to say THEY ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE.

In other words, One better acknowledge this information or One may not find themselves in Heaven.

Understand?

Eventually, after forming Particles and Atoms, the Word of God became Flesh...

John 1:14
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth"

Yes, we are talking about Jesus who eventually died on the 'Cross'...

His 'Blood' or DNA is the Template on which our new Glorified Bodies will be enhanced or 'upgraded' with.

Yes... UPGRADED... like Software Code.

DNA is the Word of God... our 'Software Code' in the Simulation of God...

We are like Nucleobases forming the Body of Christ.

Get it? Got it?

Good.

eternally-gratefull · Dec 2, 2016

Base12 said:

Wrote this up today...

Speaking of Genesis, there are some who believe in a 'Gap' of Time that exists in the middle of verse one and two...

Genesis 1:1
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth"

*Gap of Time/Destruction*

Genesis 1:2
"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters"

Whether One believes in this or not is up to them, however there is a lot of 'hiding of evidence' I've noticed among mainstream teachings regarding this theory.

One of the biggest pieces of evidence comes directly from Jesus Himself!

I will present it here as a matter of record.

We begin with these verses...

Luke 4:18-19
"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised"

"To preach the acceptable year of the Lord"

Now here's the strange part...

Luke 4:20-21
"And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him"

"And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears"

Jesus stopped in the middle of a verse and closed the Book.

Not only that, but He basically insinuated that only half of the Prophecy has been fulfilled!

What is the other half that is yet to come?

Isaiah 61:2
"...and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn"

Yes, the Day of Vengeance hasn't happened yet.

Did you catch what Jesus just did?

He just taught that a GAP of TIME can exist in the middle of a verse!

In fact, we are living in the Gap now!

How many years has it been? Two thousand or so?

So the next time someone tries to teach you that Gap theory is stupid, you best remind them of that verse.

Oh... but it gets even better!

What does this 'Day of Vengeance' look like anyhow?

Jeremiah 4:23
"I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light"

Hey look it's Genesis... or is it???

Jeremiah 4:26-27
"I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled"

"I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger"

Wait what!??!?

You mean to tell me the "Earth was without form and void" like in Genesis, and yet there were Cities and Birds etc.?

There was no light either?

Really?!?!

Sounds like we're not being told the entire Truth by the Christian Industrial Complex.

I hate to say it, but the New Agers may have gotten it right with their "Cycle of Ages" beliefs.

Now throw in a bit of Reincarnation Taboo...

Job 1:21
"And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD"

And you've basically just lost 99% of your Christian friends and have become much hated.

You are now... a Renegade Christian.

Be brave and trust Nobody.

thats one way to look at it,

Here is another.

Gen 1: 1. God created, the heavens and the earth, a stated fact.

Gen 2:1. The earth in its origional form of creation, on day one. what follows is an account of each day to show us how God did verse 1.

to me that is much more reasonable than trying to insert some "gap"to make some scientists happy.

BeyondET · Dec 2, 2016

OK all you Basket of Deplorable Hermeneutical Fruit Loops(TM)... are you ready for some more Jimmy Rustling?

Say what I much liked better moon child hahahaha! JK good post brother.

MC
I'm not in the dark side, I'm not In the firmament that divides the dark from the light, though I come and go, Sola Gala elementree universatree

Zmouth · Dec 2, 2016

trofimus said:

Probably the same reason that a man who could not teach himself how to read thinks he can read a book that is sealed without the teacher. Do you ever feel something touch you on your shoulder from behind, So if you don't see in front of you, what is within you, then why would it make any sense to those who are full of the visible but void of the light.

The_Bible · Dec 10, 2016

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz2QjvJ5zCo

trofimus · Dec 10, 2016

Zmouth said:

There is much more simple solution.

The dry land was not empty and void, but unseen and unprepared (under the world ocean).

LXX is right and fully corresponds with science.

Bladerunner · Dec 10, 2016

trofimus said:

you still don't get it .......... the OT and NT text are the Word of God...... Do you think that he is Going to allow or is it conceivable that he just does not know that Mankind has change His glorious Word???????/

I think NOT.

trofimus · Dec 10, 2016

Bladerunner said:

Please, just google it. LXX vs MSS.

These are different sources for OT.

posthuman · Dec 10, 2016

DamaraXD said:

this article puts two things out of sequence, flatly stating that marine animals were created before plants ((the scripture tells us plant life was created before animal)), and that birds did not appear before other animals.

just thought it is worth mentioning this:

a ~470 million years ago date is given for plant life's appearance for one and only one reason: the oldest fossilized spores that have been found date back to that period ((by various methods)). so this 'accepted' date is not reflecting the place in the timeline of the first plants, but only the oldest discovered evidence of plant life. it does not prove by any means that there were no plants on land before this - it shows that there were plants on land at least this point in history. 'absence of evidence is not evidence of absence,' fossilization is very rare to begin with, and marine fossilization is much more common than terrestrial.

a second point is that these are land plants, not 'all plants.' it is accepted by everyone that in general, plant life was created before animal life - because it is completely understood secularly that the earliest life was algal, which is plant, not animal - both from fossil evidence and from theory, with regard to evolution. in Genesis, the same word used in Genesis 1:12 is used in Genesis 1:1 -- "land or earth" -- it doesn't uniquely mean dry land. so the scripture is not necessarily talking about plants on dry land coming before animals: it definitely shows us that plant life was first, but does not necessarily show us that plants on dry land were before fish.

the second objection, about birds, is a much stronger case, but the question i have is whether Genesis 1:20 is talking about 'birds' or more simply, 'flying creatures.' the same word here is translated also as 'wings' and the evidence mankind has collected from the earth puts flying insects appearing at the same time - a point the article does actually mention. it's possible that this is what the scripture is referring to, if Genesis 1:24 is not talking about insect life, but all other terrestrial creatures.

so science ((the understanding that comes from the study of the discovered evidences in the heavens and the earth)) only contradicts Genesis on these points if you believe the 'days' of creation are to be understood in the human measurement of days, 24 modern hours long in experiential time.

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DamaraXD said:

amen!

and i bet that was an interesting class

posthuman · Dec 10, 2016

BeyondET said:

Genesis 1:1

so what all do you think "heavens" and "earth" refers to .. ?

i mean, there's no specific mention of the creation of dust, or gasses, or plasma, or anything like that either. but this all begins with a very general statement affirming that all things we see, above and below and inbetween, were created by Him in the beginning.

BeyondET · Dec 10, 2016

posthuman said:

this article puts two things out of sequence, flatly stating that marine animals were created before plants ((the scripture tells us plant life was created before animal)), and that birds did not appear before other animals.

just thought it is worth mentioning this:

a ~470 million years ago date is given for plant life's appearance for one and only one reason: the oldest fossilized spores that have been found date back to that period ((by various methods)). so this 'accepted' date is not reflecting the place in the timeline of the first plants, but only the oldest discovered evidence of plant life. it does not prove by any means that there were no plants on land before this - it shows that there were plants on land at least this point in history. 'absence of evidence is not evidence of absence,' fossilization is very rare to begin with, and marine fossilization is much more common than terrestrial.

a second point is that these are land plants, not 'all plants.' it is accepted by everyone that in general, plant life was created before animal life - because it is completely understood secularly that the earliest life was algal, which is plant, not animal - both from fossil evidence and from theory, with regard to evolution. in Genesis, the same word used in Genesis 1:12 is used in Genesis 1:1 -- "land or earth" -- it doesn't uniquely mean dry land. so the scripture is not necessarily talking about plants on dry land coming before animals: it definitely shows us that plant life was first, but does not necessarily show us that plants on dry land were before fish.

the second objection, about birds, is a much stronger case, but the question i have is whether Genesis 1:20 is talking about 'birds' or more simply, 'flying creatures.' the same word here is translated also as 'wings' and the evidence mankind has collected from the earth puts flying insects appearing at the same time - a point the article does actually mention. it's possible that this is what the scripture is referring to, if Genesis 1:24 is not talking about insect life, but all other terrestrial creatures.

so science ((the understanding that comes from the study of the discovered evidences in the heavens and the earth)) only contradicts Genesis on these points if you believe the 'days' of creation are to be understood in the human measurement of days, 24 modern hours long in experiential time.

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amen!

and i bet that was an interesting class

That is interesting flying creatures could be, might have even been at some point in the past, that these creatures flew at high altitudes appearing similier to birds maybe theses flying creatures didn't have to contend with other flying creatures trying to catch them for food...

[video=youtube;szuchBiLrEM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szuchBiLrEM[/video]

posthuman · Dec 10, 2016

an interesting thing i saw in the OP article was the idea that the Lord setting the sun and moon in the sky could be a reference to vision itself rather than to the creation or the placement in physical orientation of these heavenly bodies.

don't remember ever hearing that interpretation before today!

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