Creation Science

[BeyondET]

Genesis 1:1

so what all do you think "heavens" and "earth" refers to .. ?

i mean, there's no specific mention of the creation of dust, or gasses, or plasma, or anything like that either. but this all begins with a very general statement affirming that all things we see, above and below and inbetween, were created by Him in the beginning.

IMO the first two elements but of coarse, hydrogen and helium with a pinch of lithium and beryllium...

First life on earth bacteria and arthropods...

 

[BeyondET]

an interesting thing i saw in the OP article was the idea that the Lord setting the sun and moon in the sky could be a reference to vision itself rather than to the creation or the placement in physical orientation of these heavenly bodies.

don't remember ever hearing that interpretation before today!

Well let's look at physical orientation if one was to look at the oldest star in our galaxy HE 1523-0901 which has been around since the beginning of the universe or the center of our own galaxy the light bar called the Milky Way IMO either of these could be a reference...

 

[valiant]

Even many in the scientific world don't believe in the Big Bang any more.

https://richarddawkins.net/2016/03/no-big-bang-quantum-equation-predicts-universe-has-no-beginning/

The problem with all these scientific theories is that they are just theories, they
change when the next one comes along.

Gods word has never changed. In 6 days God created the heavens and the earth.
To believe anything else undermines the entire bible.

Not so. The account actually speaks of God's days (periods of light). Not 24 hour days (a comparatively modern period fixed by science).. 'God called the light 'day'.'

Genesis is just one of several creation passages in the bible.

Sooo?

See also last few chapters of Job, there are a number of others as well.

Poetry

Either we believe in the creator God or we don't.

Of course we ALL do on here.

My God has the power to stop the sun and put it into reverse and much much more.

But the question is, did He?

He has the power to roll up the heavens as a scroll. He has the power to shake the mountains. So I don't understand why people find it hard to believe God created the heavens and the earth in 6 days.

He did it in 6 days, Just not earth days,

Isaiah 38:7-8 NKJV
[7] And this is the sign to you from the LORD, that the LORD will do this thing
which He has spoken: [8] "Behold, I will bring the shadow on the sundial, which
has gone down with the sun on the sundial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward."
So the sun returned ten degrees on the dial by which it had gone down.

The shadow caused by the sun returned 10 degrees. That is all it says. That could be caused by refraction.

I'm not an 'evolutionist' by the way. Just treat the Bible CAREFULLY.

 

[Tintin]

the second objection, about birds, is a much stronger case, but the question i have is whether Genesis 1:20 is talking about 'birds' or more simply, 'flying creatures.' the same word here is translated also as 'wings' and the evidence mankind has collected from the earth puts flying insects appearing at the same time - a point the article does actually mention. it's possible that this is what the scripture is referring to, if Genesis 1:24 is not talking about insect life, but all other terrestrial creatures.

Genesis 1:20 refers to all flying creatures, not just birds. Remember, how in the book of Leviticus the bat is referred to as a bird? The ancient Hebrews weren't stupid, they just had a different way of categorising flying creatures. So Genesis 1:20 refers to flying insects and birds and extinct flying creatures (anything with wings). While, Genesis 1:24 refers to livestock (domesticated animals), creeping things (reptiles and amphibians) and beasts of the earth (any other animal that couldn't be domesticated - wild, but at this point, all vegetarian).

 

[Tintin]

Genesis 1:1

so what all do you think "heavens" and "earth" refers to .. ?

i mean, there's no specific mention of the creation of dust, or gasses, or plasma, or anything like that either. but this all begins with a very general statement affirming that all things we see, above and below and inbetween, were created by Him in the beginning.

Heavens and earth, when parcelled together mean 'the all' or 'universe'. The ancient Hebrews had no word singular word to describe the universe.

 

[Tintin]

an interesting thing i saw in the OP article was the idea that the Lord setting the sun and moon in the sky could be a reference to vision itself rather than to the creation or the placement in physical orientation of these heavenly bodies.

don't remember ever hearing that interpretation before today!

That's an imaginative interpretation, but it's terrible eisegesis.

 

[dcontroversal]

You know....God created, cut, formed and fashioned all that we know by HIS POWER, but lest we FORGET>>>>>>>>>

HE SAID.....

1) Let the WATERS BRING FORTH.....
2) Let the EARTH BRING FORTH.......

Just saying.....................!

 

[dcontroversal]

Heavens and earth, when parcelled together mean 'the all' or 'universe'. The ancient Hebrews had no word singular word to describe the universe.

I have a legit question....you know I love ya mate so this is not mouthy....


Without a doubt the O.T. was written in Hebrew and a little Chaldean in Daniel......MAN spoke one language before the dispersion at the tower of Babel....and many believe that Hebrew did not come about until Abraham....God inspired the Hebrew used to write the account in Genesis...

I wonder if the language spoken by ALL men before the dispersion at the tower of BABEL was equally lacking in a specific word or words to accurately describe all that took place....We know that God can manipulate time at will...in either direction....a day can be yesterday, 3 hours or a 1000 years with God and still be a day....a evening and a morning could be yesterday, 3 hours, 1000 years or even 50 million years (based upon our understanding of a year) and still be one day in God's eyes.....The bible is the MIND of GOD and we should strive to see things the way God sees things IMO......

How you doin mate....Miss Stralia....might try to make a trip in Jan.....WOOHOO hahah

 

[Rondonmon]

I found this article when I was writing about the book of Genesis and it is an incredible read. They align the days of creation up with what contemporary science says about the origins of the Earth. Since I used to be an atheist, this is very interesting to me, actually incredible. IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE.

I studied a whole semester on Faith and Science and I think some people think it will shake their faith in the Bible, but it makes mine stronger because our Earth needed a Creator and that Creator is a Triune God. God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit! AMEN!!

Genesis And Science: More Aligned Than You Think? | The Huffington Post

Wheredidyougo?I have been a preacher for 25 yearsAMEN!! and you are on the money, the Universe is 13.7 Billion years old and a YOM the word used for Day can be a period of time. The first days lasted from 13.7 Billion years until the earth/sun was formed 4.5 billion years ago. I oddly wrote something just like this on post 20 (Revealing Times) on this page... Contradictions between Big B. & Ev. theories with Bible | Christian Forums IT IS SO SIMILAR it is weird. This was not an in depth blog, I have some of those on other things, but this is just a Raw post.

The things is saw on your link that was off was the 2nd day lasted from 4.5 Billion BC to about 900 Million years BS. They also didn't understand why the Sun was created again on the Fourth Day, it was not, it speaks about the LIGHT, and the Seasons being set. Until the Earths Axis was set as it is, the light we have now was in a far different pattern, the moon was finally placed in the perfect position that the earth needed it in, it had nothing to do with the sun being created again.

And when Gd said let their be light, the first thing that happened was 400 Million years of Darkness according to the WMAP NASA Map (look it up) so when the Bible says there was DARKNESS ON THE FACE OF THE DEEP, it is 100 percent correct, thus the EVENING (400 Million years of Darkness) was First, and the MORNING (9 Billion years of Stars being created) was later.

All the other days are in perfect order, they miss on the grass and fruit, nothing could be fed without the food growing first. Every period of time fits with Genesis. The 5th Day lasted about about 250-300 million years from 500-550 million years BC, that was the Sea Creature being created BY GOD (Not by Evolution, there is no such thing as evolution). Then the 6th Day was the Land Animals being created from about 250-300 million BC until 6000 years BC when man was created.

There is one catch, they say mans creation doesn't fit, there PROBLEM IS, they see evidence of men that are 15-20 even 70-100 thousand years old. Where they make their mistake is they assume that that all "MEN LIKE CREATURES" had Souls, I do not assume this. Any man like creature before God placed a Soul in him was nothing more than an Animal !! You see their mistake ? When God said Let us make man in OUR IMAGE and in OUR LIKENESS that is when man was Created. And animal that was like unto man, but was not created in Gods image, was only an ANIMAL. Thus all the recorded records of men are basically 6000 years.

I write about Babylon, the Harlot and the Seven Headed Beast, that my calling, Prophecy, but God gave me this a few months back. This earth and universe is not 6000 years old, the earth is 4.5 billion years old and the universe is 13.7 billion years old, we have the universe mapped out by microwaves, we know exactly how old and what it looked like.

God Bless

 

[Bladerunner]

Well let's look at physical orientation if one was to look at the oldest star in our galaxy HE 1523-0901 which has been around since the beginning of the universe or the center of our own galaxy the light bar called the Milky Way IMO either of these could be a reference...

Excuse me but how do they know it is the oldest star in the galaxy. How do they know when the universe started?????


How can we the earth be traveling (spinning) at 1500 mph, traveling around the sun at 67,000 mph. Our whole solar system is traveling through the Milky Way Galaxy at 514,000 mph....WOW...


How can we still see the same stars and constellations every night. Do we take them with us......Wait a minute,,,,,You were just fooling me about the oldest star in the galaxy....... WOW

6,000 years old fellows by God's word not man's word.

 

[Tintin]

Wheredidyougo?I have been a preacher for 25 yearsAMEN!! and you are on the money, the Universe is 13.7 Billion years old and a YOM the word used for Day can be a period of time. The first days lasted from 13.7 Billion years until the earth/sun was formed 4.5 billion years ago. I oddly wrote something just like this on post 20 (Revealing Times) on this page... Contradictions between Big B. & Ev. theories with Bible | Christian Forums IT IS SO SIMILAR it is weird. This was not an in depth blog, I have some of those on other things, but this is just a Raw post.

The things is saw on your link that was off was the 2nd day lasted from 4.5 Billion BC to about 900 Million years BS. They also didn't understand why the Sun was created again on the Fourth Day, it was not, it speaks about the LIGHT, and the Seasons being set. Until the Earths Axis was set as it is, the light we have now was in a far different pattern, the moon was finally placed in the perfect position that the earth needed it in, it had nothing to do with the sun being created again.

And when Gd said let their be light, the first thing that happened was 400 Million years of Darkness according to the WMAP NASA Map (look it up) so when the Bible says there was DARKNESS ON THE FACE OF THE DEEP, it is 100 percent correct, thus the EVENING (400 Million years of Darkness) was First, and the MORNING (9 Billion years of Stars being created) was later.

All the other days are in perfect order, they miss on the grass and fruit, nothing could be fed without the food growing first. Every period of time fits with Genesis. The 5th Day lasted about about 250-300 million years from 500-550 million years BC, that was the Sea Creature being created BY GOD (Not by Evolution, there is no such thing as evolution). Then the 6th Day was the Land Animals being created from about 250-300 million BC until 6000 years BC when man was created.

There is one catch, they say mans creation doesn't fit, there PROBLEM IS, they see evidence of men that are 15-20 even 70-100 thousand years old. Where they make their mistake is they assume that that all "MEN LIKE CREATURES" had Souls, I do not assume this. Any man like creature before God placed a Soul in him was nothing more than an Animal !! You see their mistake ? When God said Let us make man in OUR IMAGE and in OUR LIKENESS that is when man was Created. And animal that was like unto man, but was not created in Gods image, was only an ANIMAL. Thus all the recorded records of men are basically 6000 years.

I write about Babylon, the Harlot and the Seven Headed Beast, that my calling, Prophecy, but God gave me this a few months back. This earth and universe is not 6000 years old, the earth is 4.5 billion years old and the universe is 13.7 billion years old, we have the universe mapped out by microwaves, we know exactly how old and what it looked like.

God Bless

Bulldust. You're talking out of your backside. Very little of what you said aligns with God's Word.

 

[Zmouth]

Genesis 1:20 refers to all flying creatures, not just birds. Remember, how in the book of Leviticus the bat is referred to as a bird? The ancient Hebrews weren't stupid, they just had a different way of categorising flying creatures. So Genesis 1:20 refers to flying insects and birds and extinct flying creatures (anything with wings). While, Genesis 1:24 refers to livestock (domesticated animals), creeping things (reptiles and amphibians) and beasts of the earth (any other animal that couldn't be domesticated - wild, but at this point, all vegetarian).

A bat is considered a mammal because of the criteria established by man to define a mammal. One of the criteria for a mammal is that it gives live birth, however a platypus is considered a mammal even though it doesn't give live birth-it lays eggs. Another criteria of a mammal is that it covered by hair or fur, however a whale is considered a mammal even though it is it questionable whether the few that are found on their skin are actually hairs or sensory appendages.

However a bat is classified within the the in Leviticus it is defined as a fowl because it a) is a living creature of flesh b) being four appendages of locomotion.

In examining the text of the Torah, one must remember the precepts that distinguish between the creeping things from the living creature of flesh: All insects are creeping things whether they are capable of flying or not, not living creatures and neither do they have four appendages of locomotion, they have more than four.

This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth: To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.
Lev 11:46-47

Of Genesis 2:19 was given to help clarify any discrepancies in dividing which creatures of flesh that have four appendages for locomotion and which creatures that were formed from the dust of the ground.
And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air;

 

[chancer]

Bulldust. You're talking out of your backside. Very little of what you said aligns with God's Word.

ahhhhh yes the philosophical entrails of the legendary dust of bulls ...

 

[Rondonmon]

Bulldust. You're talking out of your backside. Very little of what you said aligns with God's Word.

What you mean is you do not understand the things I am speaking about, therefore you wish to think the universe is 6000 years old. More power to you. But it is just not a fact. Notice, I do not believe in evolution. I believe God created the Universe and everything in it over a 13.7 Billion year time frame ending when He created man 6000 years ago.

The Hebrew language had only 4000 words, our English language has 500,000 words. Some words in Hebrew had many meanings, the word used for Day (YOM) has about 50 different meanings, the original meaning is not DAY it is TO BE HOT, and it can men a PERIOD OF TIME, I have studied this in depth, I am not just a blowhard as you suggest. I am a preacher of over 25 years, and I do not like it when people look at us Christians as naive because they perceive we actually think he universe is 6000 years old. IF IT IS NOT, and it is not, how many people refuse to believe Jesus because they think we are naive or peddling fiction ? I know you want people to accept Christ, and you love the Lord, so I know you want to tell them the truth. God is not Subject to time, so please explain to me why God "HURRIED UP" the process of Creation, when the Laws of Nature say the universe is 13.7 Billion years old. God lives in the past, present and future all at one time, so as soon as he creates something He is living in His finished product, He doesn't have to "wait" so to speak, so why would he "hurry up" the process or fake it ? He wouldn't, that is why the universe is 13.7 billion years old. Just as it appears to be.

The Universe has actually been mapped out by using Microwaves just like we can see planes with microwaves. We can see all of the universe from its inception believe it or not. And guess what, if you understand the bible, it BACKS US UP, look at the DARK AGES IN THE PICTURE...

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Notice the MAP that on those guys a major award ? IT AGREE WITH GOD !! There was Darkness on the Face of the Deep !! 400 Million years of Dark Ages (God is ALWAYS RIGHT). Then afterwards God said what ? Let there be Light, the Stars did not start forming for 400 Million years, thus the DARKNESS was first and this is why the Evening was always First, because it was first, Darkness was first, them the Morning or light followed. Science is affirming God, but we have people denying this fact.

 

[BeyondET]

Excuse me but how do they know it is the oldest star in the galaxy. How do they know when the universe started?????


How can we the earth be traveling (spinning) at 1500 mph, traveling around the sun at 67,000 mph. Our whole solar system is traveling through the Milky Way Galaxy at 514,000 mph....WOW...


How can we still see the same stars and constellations every night. Do we take them with us......Wait a minute,,,,,You were just fooling me about the oldest star in the galaxy....... WOW

6,000 years old fellows by God's word not man's word.

It's quite ok if you want to stay in the basic understanding of the universe along with a literal 6 day creation as written... You don't have to believe God is active today in the inspiring of people to learn more of the universe through the sciences and its wonders. The created universe was created on science in a Grand scale, your not going to hurt Gods feelings nor mine it is what it is some people reach for the stars and others it's a fear for them to look outside the box.

the truth is even a simple writing pen can be used for good or evil that's pretty much anything in the physical universe.

Rather a person believes in a young earth or old earth is still basic knowledge the truth is everything is in its own time bubble. Every tree seedling that sprouts has a different life span as humans, suns, planets, solar systems, galaxies the whole nine yards...

You want to know about time here's one for ya, God created everything from his breath plural not breaths so everything that has been or will be, is still in the time frame of the first exhale of His Breath chew on that for awhile...

 

[BeyondET]

ahhhhh yes the philosophical entrails of the legendary dust of bulls ...

That's a interesting concept huh, dust/dirt what is it what makes up this item of interest for God made man from it...

 

[BeyondET]

It takes about 500 years for 1 inch of dirt to collect on earth...

[video=youtube;aKiYHdtff2c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKiYHdtff2c[/video]

 

[BeyondET]

What you mean is you do not understand the things I am speaking about, therefore you wish to think the universe is 6000 years old. More power to you. But it is just not a fact. Notice, I do not believe in evolution. I believe God created the Universe and everything in it over a 13.7 Billion year time frame ending when He created man 6000 years ago.

The Hebrew language had only 4000 words, our English language has 500,000 words. Some words in Hebrew had many meanings, the word used for Day (YOM) has about 50 different meanings, the original meaning is not DAY it is TO BE HOT, and it can men a PERIOD OF TIME, I have studied this in depth, I am not just a blowhard as you suggest. I am a preacher of over 25 years, and I do not like it when people look at us Christians as naive because they perceive we actually think he universe is 6000 years old. IF IT IS NOT, and it is not, how many people refuse to believe Jesus because they think we are naive or peddling fiction ? I know you want people to accept Christ, and you love the Lord, so I know you want to tell them the truth. God is not Subject to time, so please explain to me why God "HURRIED UP" the process of Creation, when the Laws of Nature say the universe is 13.7 Billion years old. God lives in the past, present and future all at one time, so as soon as he creates something He is living in His finished product, He doesn't have to "wait" so to speak, so why would he "hurry up" the process or fake it ? He wouldn't, that is why the universe is 13.7 billion years old. Just as it appears to be.

The Universe has actually been mapped out by using Microwaves just like we can see planes with microwaves. We can see all of the universe from its inception believe it or not. And guess what, if you understand the bible, it BACKS US UP, look at the DARK AGES IN THE PICTURE...

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Notice the MAP that on those guys a major award ? IT AGREE WITH GOD !! There was Darkness on the Face of the Deep !! 400 Million years of Dark Ages (God is ALWAYS RIGHT). Then afterwards God said what ? Let there be Light, the Stars did not start forming for 400 Million years, thus the DARKNESS was first and this is why the Evening was always First, because it was first, Darkness was first, them the Morning or light followed. Science is affirming God, but we have people denying this fact.

I like what you said speaks volume,, I use what I call the M&M scale a million years is like a minute, each day was around 1,440,000,000 years going back in time as far as the ancient naked eye could see which is no farther than our own galaxy we see at night another simple reason why there is what is called a pure star in our galaxy that burns its fuel at a extremely slow rate all stars are not created the same just like trees. Clock on four more days beyond the formation of the milky way on day one your in the ballpark 14.4 billion in IMO...

some of these stars the high burn rate stars where for the raw elements that make of life as we know it, God is the greatest farmer takes His time creating. Imagine living forever would anyone create something in a day I wouldn't I'd take million years for one little flower to fully development from all the things created in place for the flower bloom There's a lot of joy in seeing something like that on a infinite time scale...

How to teach a young mind that had the inability to see beyond the stars in our galaxy. Can't teach a new born baby about nuclear fusion, IMO God is a God of choice He taught the basics to the ancients the men of past in such a way as to allow a choice for what we learn through time as humans mature in their understanding and development of technology in which can go beyond our own galactic neighborhood today...