Creation Science

DamaraXD · Dec 1, 2016

I found this article when I was writing about the book of Genesis and it is an incredible read. They align the days of creation up with what contemporary science says about the origins of the Earth. Since I used to be an atheist, this is very interesting to me, actually incredible. IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE.

I studied a whole semester on Faith and Science and I think some people think it will shake their faith in the Bible, but it makes mine stronger because our Earth needed a Creator and that Creator is a Triune God. God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit! AMEN!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-l-wolper/genesis-and-science_b_500201.html

Tintin · Dec 1, 2016

DamaraXD said:

I'm glad you're now a Christian (welcome to the family). I'm sorry, but this article is absolute nonsense. That's not creation science, that's theistic evolution and it's not the least bit biblical. Science properly interpreted does line up with the Scriptures. But the Bible must always be a pair of glasses by which we view everything, including science. If you want to read creation science views you go directly to the people who believe it to be true. Ministries like ICR (The Institute for Creation Research), AiG (Answers in Genesis), and CMI (Creation Ministries International) are the three main reputable sources. May God bless you in your study of His truth.

ICR
The Institute for Creation Research | The Institute for Creation Research

AIG
https://answersingenesis.org/

CMI (my favourite)
Creation | Creation Ministries International

Zmouth · Dec 1, 2016

Not sure what they meant by wrong order of birds an plants, I guess science doesn't believe that gravity is relative to the rotation of the earth on its axis then he would have understood why plants could begin starting with the period called the 3rd day but living creatures couldn't be placed upon the earth until after the 4th day.

I love the fact that they say the second mention of light on the 4th day is not relevant to science. Without the 12 hours of both of these great lights set in the firmament on the 4th day, then the day would have never came in which living creatures could have been made in the waters and upon the land on the 5th and 6th day. How can you place life on the 5th and 6th day upon a planet unless it is rotating, and rotating at the proper rate to sustain life.

If it wasn't for the 7th day then man would have never figured out where he in the cosmos.

But all in all it interesting, especially it citing that in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Especially since the scrolls used to record the scriptures were derived from the two ancients that stand beside the LORD of the whole earth.

trofimus · Dec 1, 2016

I think the article does not match Genesis and science very well.

Rabbi is not a Christian, obviously, and his knowledge of the Bible is in darkness because of it.

You can be interested in the Hugh Ross' (reasons.org, Christian and astronomer) explanation of Genesis. He accepts science (dating etc) and explains how it fits into Genesis description.

He does not accept evolution, though. If you do, you can look at biologos.org.

BeyondET · Dec 1, 2016

Good read though I think the author is leaving out a few lights in the day one account that contemporary science mentions namely early galaxies and other Suns aka Stars before our own "the Milky Way and the Sun in our solar system" Sol...
Bible says a thousand years as like a day, IMO then a (million years as like a minute) can be true as well... Some bible scholars say the first verse is sort of a two in one statement meaning the statement (in the beginning God created the Heavens and Earth) is the introduction part and let there be light is the action part...
IMO as far as what early mans eyes could see of the stars in the night sky thus the Suns within the milky way disk arms and the light bar in the middle of our galaxy is where light started for early mans eyes could see so just basic milk is taught within primitive mans language abilities and understanding.

This is In My Opinion below
Days - million yr to min
6 - 1,440,000,000
5 - 2,880,000,000
4 - 4,320,000,000
3 - 5,780,000,000
2 - 7,220,000,000
1 - 8,660,000,000
before our light bar
Heavens - light
Earth - matter

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Nature_timeline

Zmouth · Dec 1, 2016

trofimus said:

Not sure who Rabbi your are referring unto but the Bible being in darkness is comment is interesting since it is often assumed that darkness is the absence of light. However as the Good Book says in Isaiah 42:16And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.

As visible white light passes through a prism, the waves of the massless light band become visible as colors due to the seven bands of the massless light. [Rev 4:5 The seven Spirits of God] Thus, being massless is why they are considered optical illusions since theoretically you can not visually see matter without mass.

But I kinda know where this go already I will leave off with that...

eternally-gratefull · Dec 1, 2016

DamaraXD said:

Thanks, I am glad you found christ and are no longer an atheist.

I would suggest you look at all of the links Tintin sent you, And also I found this book to be very interesting also.

Center for Scientific Creation | In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood

There you will find an online book, which is a great read..

You will see there are two views. The view in the book you gave is old earth creation (OEC), The view in the other ones are all young earth creation science (YEC)

Study both views, and then make up your mind.. I also felt the same you do now about OEC in trying to make science match up to creation account.. I am glad I actually studied it more.. How creation occurred I think no one will know till we get to heaven and ask. I think all the YEC people make good points, and it may even be a mix..

Good luck in your studies, Your going to a world of learning I love.

Miri · Dec 1, 2016

Even many in the scientific world don't believe in the Big Bang any more.

https://richarddawkins.net/2016/03/no-big-bang-quantum-equation-predicts-universe-has-no-beginning/

The problem with all these scientific theories is that they are just theories, they
change when the next one comes along.

Gods word has never changed. In 6 days God created the heavens and the earth.
To believe anything else undermines the entire bible.

Genesis is just one of several creation passages in the bible.

See also last few chapters of Job, there are a number of others as well.

Either we believe in the creator God or we don't. My God has the power to stop the sun and
put it into reverse and much much more. He has the power to roll up the heavens as a scroll.
He has the power to shake the mountains. So I don't understand why people find it
hard to believe God created the heavens and the earth in 6 days.

Isaiah 38:7-8 NKJV
[7] And this is the sign to you from the LORD, that the LORD will do this thing
which He has spoken: [8] "Behold, I will bring the shadow on the sundial, which
has gone down with the sun on the sundial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward."
So the sun returned ten degrees on the dial by which it had gone down.

To the OP, glad to hear you have become a Christian, it is exciting to marvel about God and
all He has done.

BeyondET · Dec 1, 2016

Miri said:

Even many in the scientific world don't believe in the Big Bang any mmore.

https://richarddawkins.net/2016/03/no-big-bang-quantum-equation-predicts-universe-has-no-beginning/

The problem with all these scientific theories is that they are just theories, they
change when the next one comes along.

Gods word has never changed. In 6 days God created the heavens and the earth.
To believe anything else undermines the entire bible.

Genesis is just one of several creation passages in the bible.

See also last few chapters of Job, there are a number of others as well.

Either we believe in the creator God or we don't. My God has the power to stop the sun and
put it into reverse and much much more. He has the power to roll up the heavens as a scroll.
He has the power to shake the mountains. So I don't understand why people find it
hard to believe God created the heavens and the earth in 6 days.

Isaiah 38:7-8 NKJV
[7] And this is the sign to you from the LORD, that the LORD will do this thing
which He has spoken: [8] "Behold, I will bring the shadow on the sundial, which
has gone down with the sun on the sundial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward."
So the sun returned ten degrees on the dial by which it had gone down.

To the OP, glad to hear you have become a Christian, it is exciting to marvel about God and
all He has done.

Can a sundial count the minutes and seconds within that ten degrees, there a science theory as to how and when man started using these finite moments of time, just wondering what the bible says about seconds and milli seconds and father finite to the atom clock which counts a light flash within a certain type of atom...

BeyondET · Dec 1, 2016

Can anybody on this planet show me a verse that says God created water, scripture talks about the dividing of water but that is it why something so simple as water why didn't scripture say God created water too.. Genesis talks about created stars a planet just one mind you earth and other things like animals plants man, any thoughts out there??

BeyondET · Dec 1, 2016

Because the human mind has been stuck in a bible box to scared to peak out and buy a telescope and look at the planet Mars and say wow this isn't written in scripture what is up with that...

A Primitive mind will produce primitive thoughts...

prodigal · Dec 1, 2016

i came across this, sounds good

Since the waters and the lands and the waters above the heavens and the waters on the earth were not separated yet, then it is a bit difficult to nail down the dimensionality of it all, but simply because we cannot conceive of a world where there is little boundary between gaseous and liquid state that does not means that it could not exist. Of course, fog exists, so it is quite possible that water was originally created as a liquid suspended in air.
You might be reading too much into "over". To say that God is literally and exclusively "over" something is as nonsensical as saying he is literally and exclusively "under" something. Time and space are never literal in such a context.

exegesis - How and when did the water come into being? - Christianity Stack Exchange

trofimus · Dec 1, 2016

Zmouth said:

When you click on the link OP is about, you will find in it:

"It has been reviewed by a prominent rabbi and a prominent professor of biological, geological, and earth sciences."

So this rabbi I am refering to. Who does not have Christ, the Son of God, is in darkness and we should not follow his understanding of Scriptures.

trofimus · Dec 1, 2016

BeyondET said:

Waters were all over the Earth, it came with the asteroid bombardment. And the atmosphere was dense and without light. Genesis starts its terraforming description in that point of time.

BeyondET · Dec 1, 2016

prodigal said:

Thank you for that info and I agree with some of what was said especially the part about Genesis creation account being a historical narrative than a historical record. God is a God of choice a reason behind teaching about creation early in mans life on earth before the development of such equipment that can view far into space or advancements in language and knowledge.

I can create a bubble out of gum but I didn't create the gum how is gum created pretty much the same thing, Primitive man would have no idea what a hydrogen atom is that would of went right over his head

DamaraXD · Dec 1, 2016

Hey guys, I did mess up by calling it Creation Science lol but I have played around with answersingenesis and I have read Darwin's Doubt by Stephen Meyer and "Why The Universe is the way it is" by Hugh Ross.
I think I found it so interesting because it was on the Huffington Post lol

BeyondET · Dec 1, 2016

DamaraXD said:

IMO Darwins theory is flawed and some people today miss use the word evolution because it's based on Darwins theory..

Angela53510 · Dec 1, 2016

Welcome to the family of God and CC! And so glad that you are finding some things that do correspond to some of the biblical accounts.

Like you, I was an atheist, but God started calling me. I looked in all the wrong places - other religions and the New Age movement. The Bible was the last thing I thought of reading, but when I did, I didn't understand it.

There was a revival where I was living, and people were witnessing to me daily. But I didn't believe. Then I started college, and studying geology and biology. I was also given a couple of books on Creation Science by some Catholic friends. Those really impacted me, as I heard the circular reasoning in my classes.

Geology told me that the plants dated the rocks, and Biology told me that the rocks dated the plants. Then we did DNA studies of fruit flies and tracked the different genes for generations. In the end, it was the same genes and their characteristics we started with. The fruit flies didn't suddenly develop feathers or anything else. Like after like.

In the end, it was God that saved me, when my future husband told me I needed to repent of my sins, and God convicted me. But from that start, I got very interested in Creation Science and a young earth. Nothing I have read in any of the sciences I have studied have convinced me anything but the Bible is true. I hope eventually, you will realize that, too!

The fact that you are studying is a good thing! Always! And the Holy Spirit will lead you in all truth. So God bless and happy you found us.

wanderer6059 · Dec 1, 2016

what about that gap theory tho...

lol

[h=1]Genesis 1King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT=&quot]1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

"tohu wabohu" is a crazy lill wrench in understanding.

[/FONT]

tohu: formlessness, confusion, unreality, emptiness

[FONT=&quot]Original Word: [FONT=&quot]תֹּ֫הוּ[/FONT]
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: tohu
Phonetic Spelling: (to'-hoo)
Short Definition: waste

[/FONT]

bohu: emptiness

[FONT=&quot]Original Word: [FONT=&quot]בֹּ֫הוּ[/FONT]
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: bohu
Phonetic Spelling: (bo'-hoo)
Short Definition: void[/FONT]

Base12 · Dec 1, 2016

wanderer6059 said:

Wrote this up today...

Speaking of Genesis, there are some who believe in a 'Gap' of Time that exists in the middle of verse one and two...

Genesis 1:1
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth"

*Gap of Time/Destruction*

Genesis 1:2
"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters"

Whether One believes in this or not is up to them, however there is a lot of 'hiding of evidence' I've noticed among mainstream teachings regarding this theory.

One of the biggest pieces of evidence comes directly from Jesus Himself!

I will present it here as a matter of record.

We begin with these verses...

Luke 4:18-19
"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised"

"To preach the acceptable year of the Lord"

Now here's the strange part...

Luke 4:20-21
"And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him"

"And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears"

Jesus stopped in the middle of a verse and closed the Book.

Not only that, but He basically insinuated that only half of the Prophecy has been fulfilled!

What is the other half that is yet to come?

Isaiah 61:2
"...and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn"

Yes, the Day of Vengeance hasn't happened yet.

Did you catch what Jesus just did?

He just taught that a GAP of TIME can exist in the middle of a verse!

In fact, we are living in the Gap now!

How many years has it been? Two thousand or so?

So the next time someone tries to teach you that Gap theory is stupid, you best remind them of that verse.

Oh... but it gets even better!

What does this 'Day of Vengeance' look like anyhow?

Jeremiah 4:23
"I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light"

Hey look it's Genesis... or is it???

Jeremiah 4:26-27
"I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled"

"I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger"

Wait what!??!?

You mean to tell me the "Earth was without form and void" like in Genesis, and yet there were Cities and Birds etc.?

There was no light either?

Really?!?!

Sounds like we're not being told the entire Truth by the Christian Industrial Complex.

I hate to say it, but the New Agers may have gotten it right with their "Cycle of Ages" beliefs.

Now throw in a bit of Reincarnation Taboo...

Job 1:21
"And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD"

And you've basically just lost 99% of your Christian friends and have become much hated.

You are now... a Renegade Christian.

Be brave and trust Nobody.

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