(Don't enter this thread unless you are strong) Why is the devil pro-abortion?

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Rochanan

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Abortion is murder, no doubt about it. It is taking a human life. Also, I am pro-death penalty, am pro-war, and rejoiced when I found out about the Orlando shooting. I don't value human life very much.

[I take Proverbs 11:10 seriously, even though it is descriptive and not prescriptive (yes, God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that's God, not us. On our side, we get "you who love God, hate evil").]

Ignore the above part, I realized that we are to love our neighbor and that we are supposed to hate evil, not evil people.

It still stands that human lives don't matter. God culls the human crop when it causes greater long-term suffering to people in the afterlife. That is why He killed the Amalekites, and that is why He did the Flood reset. The individual is unimportant. But here is an even greater point: the sort of people that have abortions are the sort of people who would raise a non-Christian. If someone has an abortion, that person has inadvertently done the same mercy that God did to the Amalekite children by giving them a quick death instead of having them starve in the desert, as that child will "come to [Jesus], for such is the kingdom of heaven." Had that child been born, they would have been raised in a non-Christian household with the opportunity to hear the Word and reject it. I know that God's goal is to do what He pleases, and it pleases Him to be worshipped. If the children go to heaven, and there is worship in heaven, what gives?

On the other hand, we see devil worshippers supporting baby-killing. Why is that? The devil must be retarded, and not just because he thought he could take on an omnipotent entity and win. Doesn't the enemy realize that he could be raising a Matrix style crop of anti-Christians with "straight to hell" stamped on their foreheads? What is his goal? If it's to drag more people to hell with him (like the wicked behavior described in Proverbs 1:12 and 4:16), then I don't see how that helps the plan. Even Islam is pro-life, because they know that making more Muslims will help them take over the world! If they are so stupid and can see this, then surely the devil is worse than a fool.
 

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Parenting only goes so far. Each soul will decide for them self. Josiah became king at eight years old, yet his dad, and his dad's dad were evil. I am the third child of four. Our biological parents did not parent us- always drunk or high, often abandoning us for days or weeks. You'd think I'd also be a drunk, but I don't touch the stuff. Influence is strong, but God is stronger. My siblings chose to go worldly, I chose Christianity. We were raised the same (not at all), but my soul chose God.

If someone's a clown at heart, you know how they will act. If someone's a mechanic, you know they will fix things. God knows who we are in the seed of our soul- an orange seed will be an orange, a lemon seed will be a lemon, given the chance. Even you know the personalities of the people in your life, and how they would react to certain things. Murder just puts an end to them carrying out the process of who they'd be in life- whether a Hitler or a George Washington. If both of them were murdered by abortion, even though they sinned not, the seed of who they are is already known to God- whether or not they are able to express it physically.

Why God chooses to allow some to live a full life, or any life at all, or not, is His right. But anyone else who chooses to end a life, without God's permission (not police, judges, or armies whom God set in place), is a murderer, and Satan is the biggest murderer of all.
 
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That is why He killed the Amalekites
You are referring to Giants.

They are Hybrids produced by Sons of God mating with the Daughters of Man.

A big no-no.

You break the rules, you pay the price.
 
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Abortion is murder, no doubt about it.
Something that is highly censored in the Christian Community is the fact that the Tabernacle in the Wilderness is a picture of the Moment of Conception.

It is literally a Scale Model of the very first Cell that is created when Life begins...





This is something that the 'Powers That Be' very much want Christians to be ignorant of.

Yes, Life begins at the Moment of Conception... period.

God laid out all out for those with eyes to see in stunning detail.

No excuses for Man to be doing this.

None whatsoever.
 

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I just want to clarify im not pro abortion by any means unless the mothers child is at risk so bad that thats the only way to save her, which is rare, but it exists..

The individual is unimportant
I bet thats why he saved Noah AND his family tho it is written that HE was the only one clean.. he could have killed everything and everyone and create all new.. he didnt.

If someone has an abortion, that person has inadvertently done the same mercy that God did to the Amalekite children by giving them a quick death instead of having them starve in the desert, as that child will "come to [Jesus], for such is the kingdom of heaven." Had that child been born, they would have been raised in a non-Christian household with the opportunity to hear the Word and reject it. I know that God's goal is to do what He pleases, and it pleases Him to be worshipped.
You never know if they may not have been Christian..mother dying.. mother or child situation?? You never know.
Uhm Christian household or not..anyone can always reject God.
Gods goal is to do what is good and righteous..

On the other hand, we see devil worshippers supporting baby-killing. Why is that? The devil must be retarded, and not just because he thought he could take on an omnipotent entity and win. Doesn't the enemy realize that he could be raising a Matrix style crop of anti-Christians with "straight to hell" stamped on their foreheads? What is his goal? If it's to drag more people to hell with him (like the wicked behavior described in Proverbs 1:12 and 4:16), then I don't see how that helps the plan. Even Islam is pro-life, because they know that making more Muslims will help them take over the world! If they are so stupid and can see this, then surely the devil is worse than a fool.


oh come on now. Use your brain.. That is just so obvious.. come on

ROFL did you just really ask that question. Satan HATES mankind and doesnt want us to live. He is jealous and hates us because we can repent. Killing babies is also killing opportunities of that child coming to Christ and bringing his people to repentance through that child.. Thats one of many tactics he uses to try to get as many souls as possible.

Well and because they need more kids to blow up.. yeah. Of course he needs the Muslims. They kill Christians, which is his main goal...stop people from coming to Christ. Devil worshipers generally battle and target Christians.

The devil may be a fool..but not for not the reasons your bringing. He is a fool for giving up his position in the first place and rebelling against God.
 

Yonah

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You are referring to Giants.

They are Hybrids produced by Sons of God mating with the Daughters of Man.

A big no-no.

You break the rules, you pay the price.
there is no direct biblical evidence that shows this to be true....
 
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Rochanan

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I found something:

If Babies Go to Heaven, Why Oppose Abortion? | Desiring God

Romans 6:1

It may be the case that I don't know why sinning so that grace may abound is wrong (although, from God's perspective, I understand that it's probably irritating), but if God commands something, do it. Perhaps it doesn't matter if you know why.
 
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LaurenTM

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Abortion is murder, no doubt about it. It is taking a human life. Also, I am pro-death penalty, am pro-war, and rejoiced when I found out about the Orlando shooting. I don't value human life very much.

[I take Proverbs 11:10 seriously, even though it is descriptive and not prescriptive (yes, God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that's God, not us. On our side, we get "you who love God, hate evil").]

Ignore the above part, I realized that we are to love our neighbor and that we are supposed to hate evil, not evil people.

It still stands that human lives don't matter. God culls the human crop when it causes greater long-term suffering to people in the afterlife. That is why He killed the Amalekites, and that is why He did the Flood reset. The individual is unimportant. But here is an even greater point: the sort of people that have abortions are the sort of people who would raise a non-Christian. If someone has an abortion, that person has inadvertently done the same mercy that God did to the Amalekite children by giving them a quick death instead of having them starve in the desert, as that child will "come to [Jesus], for such is the kingdom of heaven." Had that child been born, they would have been raised in a non-Christian household with the opportunity to hear the Word and reject it. I know that God's goal is to do what He pleases, and it pleases Him to be worshipped. If the children go to heaven, and there is worship in heaven, what gives?

On the other hand, we see devil worshippers supporting baby-killing. Why is that? The devil must be retarded, and not just because he thought he could take on an omnipotent entity and win. Doesn't the enemy realize that he could be raising a Matrix style crop of anti-Christians with "straight to hell" stamped on their foreheads? What is his goal? If it's to drag more people to hell with him (like the wicked behavior described in Proverbs 1:12 and 4:16), then I don't see how that helps the plan. Even Islam is pro-life, because they know that making more Muslims will help them take over the world! If they are so stupid and can see this, then surely the devil is worse than a fool.
yeah, I guess at 17 you have that all figured out. do yah?

gee...my biggest problem at your age was my mother not allowing me to wear a long dress to my prom...my boyfriend at the time didn't care what I wore as long as I was in it....:p

so, let's see here...let's break it down

1. human lives don't matter
2. God 'culls' the human 'crop' for greater long term suffering in the after life
3. the individual is unimportant
4. abortions are good cause if allowed to full term, the women who have them would raise an un-godly child
5. ho hum
6. God's end game is doing what pleases Him
7. devil worshipers support baby killing
8. the devil must be retarded
9. somehow the movie 'The Matrix' has become lodged in your cognitive functions
10. the devil drags people to hell
11. even Islam is pro life (are you a muslim?)
12. making more muslims will help the muslims take over the world
13. the devil is worse than a fool

ok...I can see you have mulled this all over many times and wrestled with your conclusions; however, they are YOUR conclusions...now let's have an objective look at these things. K?

1. If human lives do not matter to God, why did He send His only Son to die in our place, for our sins? John 3:16

2. God hates sin. He gives every opportunity to people to turn FROM their sin and turn TO Him. This is a major doctrine of the Bible and cannot be explained in a few sentences, however, understand that God does not want people to be separated from Him...choice is choice...we are not hand puppets and we choose, this day and every other day, whom we will serve

3. God says he knew us before we were born...not the Bible gives no evidence that means we existed in some sort of pre-carnate state...probably the simplest understanding of this statement, is the right one. He KNEW we would be born and He KNEW what choices we would make...He does not force us.

God says this to the prophet Jeremiah...He addresses Jeremiah as an INDIVIDUAL ...not a bunch of protoplasm...Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nation Jeremiah 1:5..God indicates a specific purpose for Jeremiah and BECAUSE God knew what kind of person Jeremiah would be, He saw in him, the makings of a major prophet...all of that indicates God most certainly knows us personally and is not removed from His creation, sitting up in the cosmos, watching meteors and wondering if he should send a major interstellar rock our way

and David says this in Psalm 139:

For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother's womb. v.13 again indicating a personal interest in a human being not even yet born

4. well that simply does not fly...generalizing everyone and everything most never does...it does not even get off the ground with it's cumbersome bulk of misinformation and stoic denial of evidence to the contrary..

here is an interesting 'factoid'...I've never used that word before and I don't know why I am using it now...anyway...

Forty-one years ago today, the U.S. Supreme Court legalized abortion through two landmark decisions, but the “plaintiff” in one of the cases told WND she’s pro-life, never agreed to be involved in the case and was the victim of “lies, fraud and deceit” to promote a political agenda.
A Texas case known as Roe v. Wade became the more famous of the rulings, but equally important was a Georgia case known as Doe v. Bolton.
The woman known as “Mary Doe” in the latter case was later identified as Sandra Cano. She said a crisis in her marriage ultimately led to her becoming a legal and political pawn.

READ THE REST HERE and the history on WIKI HERE

[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]the woman who supposedly was pro abortion int he case, was used to make a case she did not even agree with...she is pro life and became 'Jane Roe' in the ruling...she did not even know the case was before the Supreme Court but you can read all about in the links provided..she never appeared in court and did not even know what abortion and she never had an abortion but did give up 2 children for adoption because of her situation with her husband...a career criminal who was in and out of jail during the entire time of their marriage[/FONT]

[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]5. ho hum[/FONT]

[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]6. yup...God does exactly as He pleases...but let's remember He is HOLY, RIGHTEOUS, JUST AND FAITHFUL[/FONT]
[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT]
[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] the opposite of most people on this planet, which is why I prefer His company and the company of those who prefer His company[/FONT]

[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]7. well now, there is only one devil...but there are two to choose from...we ultimately choose the devil if we do not choose God because there is no third choice...aliens are not going to intervene and rescue us from ourselves...if you have involved yourself with the Old Testament at all, you know many nations around Israel were affirmed in their practice of child sacrifice...throw another baby on the fire...Molech and all that...my personal belief is that abortion is a stand in for the practice of child sacrifice and people knowingly or unwittingly give the devil his due...so, does not mean all are practicing the worship of the satan[/FONT]

[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]8. the devil is not retarded and scripture tells us we should not mock these spiritual entities...perhaps people are retarded when they refuse God? what d'yah think?[/FONT]

[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]9. The Matrix is a movie...get over it[/FONT]

[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]10. the devil drags no one to hell...we fall because of our own sin...God will send those who refuse Him where He wills when they are judged...the devil is going into the lake of fire with his angels...that is what scripture states and also states that God has prepared the lake of fire for these spirits that He created and that rebelled against Him...they are so dangerous they cannot remain in play after the judgement[/FONT]

[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]11. Islam is pro islam...not pro life...study up on it and the many wars through the centuries with Islamists...nothing new

[/FONT]Islam is not a religion...it is an ideology, complete with their own laws and desire to take over the world and FORCE their rule over the entire globe...sounds devilish because it is

12. muslims will not take over the world...they are the devil's patsies and through them, the devil wishes to rule

he will not succeed to overthrow God this time any more than he did the first time...you can see his frustration in the horrendous acts committed by muslims..these are acts directed against God...inspired by the devil...human beings, without God are little more than puppets and sad demi-gods

13. the devil is not a fool


 

Oncefallen

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You are referring to Giants.

They are Hybrids produced by Sons of God mating with the Daughters of Man.

A big no-no.

You break the rules, you pay the price.

One minor detail that you forget,(if you choose to believe that the Nephilim were human hybrids that's another subject).
the Nephilim are only mentioned in Genesis 6 (pre-flood). In other words, the Nephilim would have been wiped out in the flood therefore the Amalekites could not have been the descendants of the Nephilim.


Something that is highly censored in the Christian Community is the fact that the Tabernacle in the Wilderness is a picture of the Moment of Conception.

It is literally a Scale Model of the very first Cell that is created when Life begins...





This is something that the 'Powers That Be' very much want Christians to be ignorant of.

Yes, Life begins at the Moment of Conception... period.

God laid out all out for those with eyes to see in stunning detail.

No excuses for Man to be doing this.

None whatsoever.
This is the wildest stretch that I've seen in a long time. If the components of a cell actually looked like the components from the Tabernacle I would say that you have a case, but this is just the fabrication of someone who was feeling desperate to "prove" a point. Not many in the Christian community would argue about life beginning at conception since each cell (sperm and egg) is in and of itself carries life.
 

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there is no direct biblical evidence that shows this to be true....

Yes there is,,,,,,,,,KJV
Genesis 6:4
Numbers 13:33
Deuteronomy 3:11
Deuteronomy 2:11
1 Samuel 17
 

John146

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Abortion is murder, no doubt about it. It is taking a human life. Also, I am pro-death penalty, am pro-war, and rejoiced when I found out about the Orlando shooting. I don't value human life very much.

[I take Proverbs 11:10 seriously, even though it is descriptive and not prescriptive (yes, God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that's God, not us. On our side, we get "you who love God, hate evil").]

Ignore the above part, I realized that we are to love our neighbor and that we are supposed to hate evil, not evil people.

It still stands that human lives don't matter. God culls the human crop when it causes greater long-term suffering to people in the afterlife. That is why He killed the Amalekites, and that is why He did the Flood reset. The individual is unimportant. But here is an even greater point: the sort of people that have abortions are the sort of people who would raise a non-Christian. If someone has an abortion, that person has inadvertently done the same mercy that God did to the Amalekite children by giving them a quick death instead of having them starve in the desert, as that child will "come to [Jesus], for such is the kingdom of heaven." Had that child been born, they would have been raised in a non-Christian household with the opportunity to hear the Word and reject it. I know that God's goal is to do what He pleases, and it pleases Him to be worshipped. If the children go to heaven, and there is worship in heaven, what gives?

On the other hand, we see devil worshippers supporting baby-killing. Why is that? The devil must be retarded, and not just because he thought he could take on an omnipotent entity and win. Doesn't the enemy realize that he could be raising a Matrix style crop of anti-Christians with "straight to hell" stamped on their foreheads? What is his goal? If it's to drag more people to hell with him (like the wicked behavior described in Proverbs 1:12 and 4:16), then I don't see how that helps the plan. Even Islam is pro-life, because they know that making more Muslims will help them take over the world! If they are so stupid and can see this, then surely the devil is worse than a fool.

John 8:44, Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
 

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The devil is pro-abortion because he knows that every human life is precious to God. Taking that life before it even has a chance to begin is probably one of the devil's favorite things.

Abortion is murder, no doubt about it. It is taking a human life. Also, I am pro-death penalty, am pro-war, and rejoiced when I found out about the Orlando shooting. I don't value human life very much.

[I take Proverbs 11:10 seriously, even though it is descriptive and not prescriptive (yes, God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that's God, not us. On our side, we get "you who love God, hate evil").]

Ignore the above part, I realized that we are to love our neighbor and that we are supposed to hate evil, not evil people.

It still stands that human lives don't matter. God culls the human crop when it causes greater long-term suffering to people in the afterlife. That is why He killed the Amalekites, and that is why He did the Flood reset. The individual is unimportant. But here is an even greater point: the sort of people that have abortions are the sort of people who would raise a non-Christian. If someone has an abortion, that person has inadvertently done the same mercy that God did to the Amalekite children by giving them a quick death instead of having them starve in the desert, as that child will "come to [Jesus], for such is the kingdom of heaven." Had that child been born, they would have been raised in a non-Christian household with the opportunity to hear the Word and reject it. I know that God's goal is to do what He pleases, and it pleases Him to be worshipped. If the children go to heaven, and there is worship in heaven, what gives?

On the other hand, we see devil worshippers supporting baby-killing. Why is that? The devil must be retarded, and not just because he thought he could take on an omnipotent entity and win. Doesn't the enemy realize that he could be raising a Matrix style crop of anti-Christians with "straight to hell" stamped on their foreheads? What is his goal? If it's to drag more people to hell with him (like the wicked behavior described in Proverbs 1:12 and 4:16), then I don't see how that helps the plan. Even Islam is pro-life, because they know that making more Muslims will help them take over the world! If they are so stupid and can see this, then surely the devil is worse than a fool.
 

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One minor detail that you forget,(if you choose to believe that the Nephilim were human hybrids that's another subject).
the Nephilim are only mentioned in Genesis 6 (pre-flood). In other words, the Nephilim would have been wiped out in the flood therefore the Amalekites could not have been the descendants of the Nephilim.

You forget that all the world was corrupted, mankind and all land animals. However, God found 5 people that were PURE..What does this mean... It means that their DNA they had received from Adam and EVE had not been corrupted.

Noah's sons found their wives just a few days before the flood and were allowed to bring them on the Ark. the decendants of Ham, the son of Noah gave birth to Giants. (Numbers 13: 32-33).

The Bible uses the Nephilim to refer to the "giants in those days"and the 'renowned mighty men' in Genesis 6:4

The nephilim /ˈnɛfᵻˌlɪm/ (Hebrew: נְפִילִים, sing. נָפִיל, Naphíl or Naphil) were offspring of the "sons of God" and the "daughters of men"


Hope this helps but would place a guess you will not listen.
 
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Having an abortion is like your body becomes a crime scene.
 

Bladerunner

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The devil is pro-abortion because he knows that every human life is precious to God. Taking that life before it even has a chance to begin is probably one of the devil's favorite things.

Don't really think that is what it is all about there ZeroT...........1st...All little children up until a "knowing age" will be taken into heaven when and if they die.

It is a sin to murder. The crosshairs of Satan is on adults and keeping them away from Jesus Christ
 

Bladerunner

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I found something:

If Babies Go to Heaven, Why Oppose Abortion? | Desiring God

Romans 6:1

It may be the case that I don't know why sinning so that grace may abound is wrong (although, from God's perspective, I understand that it's probably irritating), but if God commands something, do it. Perhaps it doesn't matter if you know why.

so it is ok just to kill them like the Islamist do to Christians........ simply because of WHAT?

It is still a SIN--Big Time!