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John146

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When did the Kingdom of God begin?!? Heb 9 doesn't apply to the Kingdom of God
Sure it does. The Kingdom of God is the spiritual kingdom in which the body of Christ resides. The Kingdom of Heaven is the physical, literal kingdom promised to the Jews. Both aspects of the kingdom will be realized at the second coming of Christ.
 
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You BOTH are wrong..... Jesus' teaching is Kingdom teaching for the church, not the Jew only. Your statements cannot be proven with scripture. And I don't want to hear no one-verse wonders twisted to no end, either.
Smoke screens. You fail.
 
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Oh the irony of someone who preaches a false doctrine that denies Jesus is God would be accusing "others" of having false doctrine. :rolleyes:
Behold the accuser of false doctrine! None of us deny that Jesus is God. YOU are the false accuser.:rolleyes:
 
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Behold the accuser of false doctrine! None of us deny that Jesus is God. YOU are the false accuser.:rolleyes:
Really? Ask him yourself. I have.
 
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I used to believe the saying "where there's smoke, there's fire. You've proven it's nothing but a BIG FAT LIE.:rolleyes:
Ummmm, okay. But don't be so hard on yourself. You can change, ya know.
 
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Ummmm, okay. But don't be so hard on yourself. You can change, ya know.
According to your beliefs, I don't have to.....I'm saved forever, remember? Or do I keep having to remind you of that?

Funny how folks push their doctrine with a hellbent attitude, & then don't talk like they believe it.:rolleyes:
 
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According to your beliefs, I don't have to.....I'm saved forever, remember? Or do I keep having to remind you of that?

Funny how folks push their doctrine with a hellbent attitude, & then don't talk like they believe it.:rolleyes:
Are you saved?
 
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I used to believe the saying "where there's smoke, there's fire. You've proven it's nothing but a BIG FAT LIE.:rolleyes:
its really not worth even discussing things with those who hold to the grace lens, not that it makes them bad people or less than anyone else, its the doctrine that got off track. anyone who actually believes the bible will in time realize the "grace lens" is a form of omitting what God Himself actually said theough His Son. the fact that God would speak to us through His Son, was foretold through the prophets beginning with Moses is deuteronomy 18 and continued through the prophetic writings of Gods chosen then. all of the Law and prophets are a testimony of The Christ who was to come to explain the truth of Gods Word to those who would believe Him. all of the epistels that came after Jesus, are atestimony that He infact IS the Christ who was to come and that we are to obey Him, and also that He will return in His time and give those who believe in Him and keep His word eternal Life.

to those who trusted in moses words Jesus said " you think that in them you possess eternal Life, but moses was writing of me, yet you refuse to come to me to have Life" the same can be said of the epistles " some think that in those scriptures they possess eternal Life, yet they are words that are testifying that Jesus is the Christ whom moses wrotre about, and that only in Him is eternal Life available. the old is saying go to Jesus, the new is saying go to Jesus and Jesus is saying

Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened and take MY YOKE upon you, learn from ME."

Yet some say " we follow the spirit not the words of Jesus. but in truth

johnj 14:25-26 "These things have I SPOKEN UNTO YOU, being yet present with you. 26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, WHATSOEVER I HAVE SAID UNTO YOU."

John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU, they ARE SPIRIT, and THEY ARE LIFE."

The words that Jesus Spoke those that were written down by those who heard Him apply directly to the church as the complete authority, not only to those he spoke them to, but to all nations every kindred tounge and people.

matthew 28:18-20 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching THEM to observe all things whatsoever I HAVE COMMANDED YOU: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

to deny His words, is to deny the holy spirit which is the only sin that cannot be forgiven. My conclusion of the grace alone, Jesus words dont apply doctrine is that it is nonsense, a herecy and will destroy those who trust in anything apart from The Word of God, that came through Jesus Christ, the same that suffered and died to save us the only savior that exists is Jesus, the only spirit that is true, is that which comes through Him including His testimony.

revelation 19:10 "At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, "Don't do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For it is the Spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus."


But sadly, if i trust that Jesus words dont apply to me, there is no spirit from God to be had in any realm whether Heaven of=r earth.
 
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Behold the accuser of false doctrine! None of us deny that Jesus is God. YOU are the false accuser.:rolleyes:
to me its funny, that what scripture says plainly and everything that agrees with it, is labeled " false doctrine by the grace alone folks" to me, we see " God saying one thing, and the enemy denying it and saying another that sounds better at the moment to the flesh. an exact representation of what the serpent did to eve. yet what Gods words say, the very words spoken By Jesus Christ.


does anyone else see the irony " Jesus is God, yet His words will lead you astray"<<<< the core of Grace alone that omits Gods word and claims salvation by means other than What God made clear.
 
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Sure it does. The Kingdom of God is the spiritual kingdom in which the body of Christ resides. The Kingdom of Heaven is the physical, literal kingdom promised to the Jews. Both aspects of the kingdom will be realized at the second coming of Christ.
the old is already fulfilled, flesh and blood cannot inherit Gods Kingdom, it is spirt and His worshippers must worship in spirit and truth. the spirit will forever bring to remembre=ane the words Jesus spoke, because the words of Jesus are the spirit and life john 6:63. who has the words of eternal Life? john 6:68. yet grace seeks to omit that to the keepers destruction, the holy spirit will NEVER deny the authority of Jesus,never. it will always agree completely with His commands, teachings and proinciples, because Gods spirit comes to us through His words that promise the spirit will come to those who keep His words as the words of the Lord. for Jews only? matthew 28:18-20.


there is no validity to anyone saying the gospel Jesus spoke is not the truth dorectly from God spoken By The Christ who was promised in Gods words that came through moses and the prophets.

anyone who wants to live forever in the presence of the One and Only God, has to accept that Jesus is Lord and His words are Life, there is NO OTHER WAY to lay hold of eternal Salvation. and there is no possibility to figure out How to make Jesus words irrelevant to the Church whoich He himself purchased with His agony and Blood, to bring believers into obedience to God the Father. the only children of God, are those who conform to His Only Son. Thats Gods plan of salvation that those who believe His Son, have eternal Life
 
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to me its funny, that what scripture says plainly and everything that agrees with it, is labeled " false doctrine by the grace alone folks" to me, we see " God saying one thing, and the enemy denying it and saying another that sounds better at the moment to the flesh. an exact representation of what the serpent did to eve. yet what Gods words say, the very words spoken By Jesus Christ.


does anyone else see the irony " Jesus is God, yet His words will lead you astray"<<<< the core of Grace alone that omits Gods word and claims salvation by means other than What God made clear.
From what I have observed - nobody is denying the words of Jesus - some people just don't agree with your "application" of Jesus' words so in your mind they are "denying Christ".

In reality - there are many things that Jesus said that do not apply to us now. Jesus commanded the disciples to go get a donkey for Passover. Do we go looking for donkey's now? There are dozens of things like that now.

Jesus told the lepers to go show themselves to the priests. If we get healed now - do we go to the priests to show ourselves?

Jesus also commanded the disciples to "Go preach the gospel starting in Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria." Have you done that yet? Have you started to preach the gospel in Jerusalem? So, you see, one could say that you are not obeying the words of Christ.

"Because of your refusal to obey God" - people could say that you do not follow Christ' words. Of course that is foolishness but that's the way the game is being played by many.

The truth is that not all of Jesus' words are for us today - we need to rightly divide the scriptures to make sure we are looking at them through the eyes of the New Covenant. If not - then you could end up with a works-based religion which has a mixture of the Old Covenant in it.

 
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to me its funny, that what scripture says plainly and everything that agrees with it, is labeled " false doctrine by the grace alone folks" to me, we see " God saying one thing, and the enemy denying it and saying another that sounds better at the moment to the flesh. an exact representation of what the serpent did to eve. yet what Gods words say, the very words spoken By Jesus Christ.


does anyone else see the irony " Jesus is God, yet His words will lead you astray"<<<< the core of Grace alone that omits Gods word and claims salvation by means other than What God made clear.
Because we do not limit the words of the Jesus who is God to only those red letters as you do.
 
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Sure it does. The Kingdom of God is the spiritual kingdom in which the body of Christ resides. The Kingdom of Heaven is the physical, literal kingdom promised to the Jews. Both aspects of the kingdom will be realized at the second coming of Christ.
matthew 7 :21-23 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that DOETH THE WILL OF my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that WORK INIQUITY ."

1 thessalonians 1:4 "IT IS GODS WILL THAT YOU should BE SANCTIFIED: that you should avoid sexual immorality; 4that each of you should learn to control your own body[SUP]a[/SUP] in a way that is holy and honorable, 5not in passionate lust like the pagans, who do not know God; 6and that in this matter no one should wrong or take advantage of a brother or sister.[SUP]b[/SUP] The Lord will punish all those who commit such sins, as we told you and WARNED YOU BEFORE. 7For GOD DID NOT CALL US TO BE IMPURE, BUT TO LIVE A HOLY LIFE. 8Therefore, ANYONE WHO REJECTS this instruction does not reject a human being but God, the very God who gives you his Holy Spirit."

James 2:14-19 "
What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man SAY HE HATH FAITH, and have not works? can faith save him?15If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17Even so FAITH, IF IT HATH NOT WORKS IS DEAD,, being alone.18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19THOU BELIEVEST THERE IS ONE GOD; thou doest well: the DEVILS ALSO BELIEVE AND TREMBLE ."

matthew 8:28-29 "And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed WITH DEVILS, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.29And, behold, they CRIED OUT, saying, WHAT HAVE WE TO DO WITH THEE, JESUS, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to TORMENT US before the time? "

galatianbs 6:7-9 "BE NOT DECIEVED; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a MAN SOWETH, that shall HE ALSO REAP. 8For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap LIFE EVERLASTING. 9And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, iF WE FAINT NOT. "

romans 6:15-22 "What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of SIN UNTO DEATH, or of OBEDIENCE UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS? 17But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. 19I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. 21What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. 22But now being made free from sin, and become SERVANTS TO GOD, ye have your fruit unto HOLINESS, and the end EVERLASTING LIFE."

titus 2:11-15 "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12Teaching us that, DENYING ungodliness and WORLDLY LUSTS, we should live soberly, RIGHTEOUSLY, and godly, IN THIS PRESENT WORLD 13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all INIQUITY, and PURIFY unto himself a peculiar people, ZEALOUS OF GOOD WORKS."

"for it is by grace you have been saved, THROUGH faith" Faith is not apart from obedience, true faith always is expressed through what we do. faith isnt an inward thought it is obedience from the heart, because we believe Gods word. thats the faith that saves, and it comes through believing that Jesus IS who He is
 
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Failure to rightly divide the word of truth. You trying to fit kingdom doctrine for Israel into the body of Christ Church Age doctrine. It doesn't fit. Look to the Apostle Paul as our example to follow for Church Doctrine. I am justified by the faith of Jesus Christ, not my individual faith.

Look to the Apostle Paul as our example to follow for Church Doctrine.

pauls words....1 corinthians 1:13-15 "
Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. 13Is Christ divided? WAS PAUL CRUCIFIED FOR YOU? or were ye baptized in the NAME OF PAUL? 14I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; 15Lest any should say that I had baptized in MINE OWN NAME."

ephesians 5:1-7 "Be ye therefore FOLLOWERS OF God, as dear children; 2And WALK IN love, AS CHRIST also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.3BUT fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 4Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 5For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath ANY INHERITANCE in the kingdom of Christ and of God."


6LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU with vain words: for BECAUSE OF THESE THINGS COMETH THE WRATH of God upon the children of DISOBEDIENCE. 7BE NOT YE therefore partakers with them."

1 timothy 6:3-5 "If ANY MAN TEACH OTHERWISE, and CONSENT NOT to wholesome words, even the WORDS OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 4He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 5Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself."

Looking to paul as the head of the church is a contradiction to everything paul taught, Never would he be yoked with such ideas that bring His Lord Low, and raide Him up.

ephesians 1:18-23 "
pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in his holy people, 19and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is the same as the mighty strength 20he exerted when he raised Christ from the dead and SEATED HIM AT HIS RIGHT HAND in the heavenly realms, FAR ABOVE all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. 22And God placed all things under his feet and APPOINTED HIM TO BE HEAD OVER EVERYTHING FOR THE CHURCH, 23which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way."

Paul was a steward of the Gospel proclaimed By Jesus, the prophets were foretelling of His first appearance, the apostles were witnessing to us that He is Lord of all. further in pauls words

acts 26:20-23 " But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and THEN TO THE GENTILES, that they should REPENT AND TURN TO GOD AND DO WORKS MEET FOR REPENTANCE. 21For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me. 22Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying NONE OTHER THINGS than those which the PROPHETS AND MOSES DID SAY should come: 23That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should SHEW LIGHT unto the people, AND TO THE GENTILES."

john 8:12-13 "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I AM THE LIGHT of the world: he that FOLLOWETH ME shall not walk in darkness, but SHALL HAVE THE LIGHT OF LIFE. 13The PHARISEES therefore SAID unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; THY RECORD IS NOT TRUE."

matthew 15:12-14 "Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the PHARISEES WERE OFFENDED after they heard this saying? 13But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. 14Let them alone: they BE BLIND LEADERS OF THE BLIND. And if the blind lead the blind, BOTH SHALL FALL into the ditch"

John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the ONLY BEGOTTEN OF the Father,) full of GRACE AND TRUTH .
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[/FONT]paul is not changing a single thing from Jesus Gospel, He is teaching us to obey Jesus who gave the gospel. paul can save no one, not even himself, He was a man striving after Jesus in whom He believed, and teaching all to do the same




 
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The proclamation of Christ produces the profession of Christ, but the explanation of Christ is what produces the experience of Christ.

Believers can never fully enjoy the triumph of the gospel and express Christ in this world victoriously until there has been an explanation and exposition of the vivid details of the redemptive work of Christ that has gained a foothold in our renewed minds.

The 4 gospels were eyewitness accounts of the historical events in the life and ministry of our Lord Jesus Christ. Christianity is based on the veracity of these events as having occurred in real time, in all historicity and specificity.

Nevertheless it is the unveiling of the spiritual realities of these events that relates to the believer in Christ. This is found in the revelation that the Lord Jesus Christ gave to the apostle Paul.

The 4 gospels are the proclamation of the gospel. They disclose to us what men saw. Acts of the apostles is the demonstration of the gospel, but it is Paul's letters which give us an explanation of the gospel. It is the Pauline Epistles that are the constitution of this church age.

Paul's epistles explain what happened from the cross, death, burial, quickening and resurrection to the being seated at the right hand of the Father. Without these epistles we would have no idea what Jesus our Lord actually accomplished for us.

Paul was taught by Jesus Christ Himself to explain His gospel = to reveal the mystery that was hidden in God until it was revealed by Christ to Paul. The mystery being Christ Himself and the riches of that glory is that Christ is in us and we are in Him!
 

John146

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Looking to paul as the head of the church is a contradiction to everything paul taught, Never would he be yoked with such ideas that bring His Lord Low, and raide Him up.

Paul was a steward of the Gospel proclaimed By Jesus, the prophets were foretelling of His first appearance, the apostles were witnessing to us that He is Lord of all. further in pauls words

Can you please provide Scripture where Jesus went around preaching His death, burial and resurrection for sins? That is the gospel of Christ is it not? That's what Paul taught anyway.

1 Corinthians 15
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Romans 16
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

The mystery of the gospel of Jesus Christ was revealed to Paul through an abundance of revelations. That's the gospel we are to believe.

2 Corinthians 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

Paul would say over and over to be ye followers of me. We are to follow Paul and what the Lord gave him through revelation. Paul is the apostle to the Gentile world.
 
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Can you please provide Scripture where Jesus went around preaching His death, burial and resurrection for sins? That is the gospel of Christ is it not? That's what Paul taught anyway.

1 Corinthians 15
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Romans 16
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

The mystery of the gospel of Jesus Christ was revealed to Paul through an abundance of revelations. That's the gospel we are to believe.

2 Corinthians 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

Paul would say over and over to be ye followers of me. We are to follow Paul and what the Lord gave him through revelation. Paul is the apostle to the Gentile world.
FIRST is that all paul taught ? lets ask Paul during His trial in rome shall we? or did pauls " gospel of grace look quite different from simply believing Jesus died for our sins grace grace"

acts 20:20-26 "And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house, 21Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ."

and again pauls words

Acts 26:20-23 "But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and DO WORKS meet for repentance. 21For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me. 22Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come: 23That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew LIGHT unto the people, and to the Gentiles." ( this is just what paul explains that he taught though, sometimes its hard to grasp that when we see "saved by Grace" we have to also grasp that there are thousands more verses that are relevant and that the "lens" is formed through scripture as a whole"






and to your request OF COURSE I CAN. there is ALWAYS an answer in the gospel, for Jesus words hold the full measure of the wisdom of God and HE IS the Lord.

Matthew 16: 16-21 "He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 20Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
21From that time forth began JESUS TO SHEW unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and SUFFER many things of the ELDERS and CHIEF PRIESTS and SCRIBES, and BE KILLED, and be RAISED again the third day."

notice the theme as i procede of those most responsible for Jesus suffering and death,"

Luke 9:22 "And he said, “The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.”

matthew 20:28 "
Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many."

john 10:11 "I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep."

john 6: 50-51 "But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. 51I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

ill add a bunch more clarity tomorrow, realize im noit devaluing pauls epistles, Im saying that paul, is relaying the same messages that Jesus taught His apostles. different wording same messages, same gospel, all scripture is valuable, is Gods written words spoken through Prophets and apostles, but simply ask yourself given paul says he taught repentance, works that reflect repentance, given that pauls own behavior or " example " was a man who "considered everything a loss to grasping the knowledge of Jesus to somehow attain to the resurrection", a man who pressed on, forgetting the past to lay hold of the prize to whichj He was called. a man who gives the same warnings again and again not to misunderstand Him because of Grace, he makes clear " your saved through the crucifixion and resurrection, and at the same time paul teaches so very much about repentance through the spirit, and obedience through the spirit, and Jesus words ARE the spirit orrather " a vehicle for the spirit to reach our minds and hearts. salvation is found in no other name, paul taught that, there is no other Lord, paul taught that. our actions can disqualify us from the inheritance if we persist in them and refuse Graces purpose which is to lead us to repentance, and righteous living. Paul and all the apostles are relaying a message from God that was SPOKEN to them by Jesus. paul was not exclusive to the gentiles, the spirit came through peter to the gentiles before paul was involved at all. Paul is not the authority, peterm james, paul, john....all og them have the authority Jesus confered on them, the authority to spread His gospel to the world


we are to believe your scriptures, but were meant to reconcile them with the others, and also always through the Light of Jesus words