The Davidic Covenant explained

ZEEK · Dec 2, 2016

Hopefully people can explain the Davidic Covenant...

[FONT=&quot]Now therefore thus you shall say to my servant David: Thus says the Lord of hosts: I took you from the pasture, from following the sheep to be prince over my people Israel; [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]9 and I have been with you wherever you went, and have cut off all your enemies from before you; and I will make for you a great name, like the name of the great ones of the earth. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]10 And I will appoint a place for my people Israel and will plant them, so that they may live in their own place, and be disturbed no more; and evildoers shall afflict them no more, as formerly, [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]11 from the time that I appointed judges over my people Israel; and I will give you rest from all your enemies. Moreover the Lord declares to you that the Lord will make you a house. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]12 When your days are fulfilled and you lie down with your ancestors, I will raise up your offspring after you, who shall come forth from your body, and I will establish his kingdom. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]13 He shall build a house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]14 I will be a father to him, and he shall be a son to me. When he commits iniquity, I will punish him with a rod such as mortals use, with blows inflicted by human beings. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]15 But I will not take[b] my steadfast love from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away from before you. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]16 Your house and your kingdom shall be made sure forever before me;[c]your throne shall be established forever.[/FONT]

Grace777x70 · Dec 2, 2016

It looks like to me that the Lord is speaking of Jesus coming through David and it is His throne and kingdom that will be established forever.

Matthew 1:1 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] The record of the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah, the son of David, the son of Abraham:

Yahshua · Dec 3, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

I can agree with you prophetically, Gace777...But what just struck me at this late hour (I'm up in the middle of the night) are verses 14 and 15 of 2nd Samuel ch7:

14 I will be a father to him, and he shall be a son to me. When he commits iniquity, I will punish him with a rod such as mortals use, with blows inflicted by human beings. 15 But I will not take my steadfast love from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away from before you.

I hadn't noticed it before now, but if God is speaking of Christ in this passage, when did Christ commit iniquity?

Another thought is that it may be Christ who's talking to David through Samuel about maybe Solomon (??), since Christ is God.

I don't know, it's late. I'm going to bed lol

Grace777x70 · Dec 3, 2016

Yahshua said:

I think verse 14 and 15 are speaking directly about David in the natural there because I agree with you that Jesus did not commit sin but He did have the sin of the whole world put on Him. That is different then "committing" it.

The other aspect is that Jesus is called King of "kings". Perhaps David will have the kingship under Christ in the future for a certain people? I don't know...as I haven't given this much thought but you have some good ideas to think about it.

My main focus is trying to learn Christ and the Father by relying on the Holy Spirit to reveal them to me so millennia into the future does not occupy much space in this brain of mine...lol.

This phrase here is interesting - What is your take on this?

"I will punish him with a rod such as mortals use, "

Ariel82 · Dec 3, 2016

Yahshua said:

I can agree with you prophetically, Gace777...But what just struck me at this late hour (I'm up in the middle of the night) are verses 14 and 15 of 2nd Samuel ch7:

14 I will be a father to him, and he shall be a son to me. When he commits iniquity, I will punish him with a rod such as mortals use, with blows inflicted by human beings. 15 But I will not take my steadfast love from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away from before you.

I hadn't noticed it before now, but if God is speaking of Christ in this passage, when did Christ commit iniquity?

Another thought is that it may be Christ who's talking to David through Samuel about maybe Solomon (??), since Christ is God.

I don't know, it's late. I'm going to bed lol

That's what a pastor said when I asked him why it couldn't be about Jesus.

prove-all · Dec 3, 2016

Christ is not sitting on that throne now, but on the throne of Almighty God in heaven.
(Revelation 3:21)

Some say Christ took over the throne allready. But He didn’t. Instead He was crucified,
resurrected, and ascended to heaven. He shall come, and soon now, to sit upon that
throne as the King of kings and Lord of lords.

ZEEK · Dec 3, 2016

and I will make for you a great name, like the name of the great ones of the earth.

David would be famous?

10 And I will appoint a place for my people Israel and will plant them, so that they may live in their own place, and be disturbed no more; and evildoers shall afflict them no more, as formerly, 11 from the time that I appointed judges over my people Israel; and I will give you rest from all your enemies.

Israel was the Northern Kingdom...who were then exiled from Israel...

Moreover the Lord declares to you that the Lord will make you a house.

The House Of David is a genealogy isn't it?

12 When your days are fulfilled and you lie down with your ancestors, I will raise up your offspring after you, who shall come forth from your body, and I will establish his kingdom.

Jesus?

13 He shall build a house for my name,

The Church?

and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever.

The Throne of David = The Throne Of Christ ?

14 I will be a father to him, and he shall be a son to me. When he commits iniquity, I will punish him with a rod such as mortals use, with blows inflicted by human beings.

The Church?

15 But I will not take[b] my steadfast love from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away from before you. 16 Your house and your kingdom shall be made sure forever before me;[c]your throne shall be established forever.

prove-all · Dec 3, 2016

ZEEK said:

why yes King David would be famous, in my book anyway.
King David was Gods servant, Who sat on the Eternals throne.

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Is not this David, of whom they sang one to another in dances,
saying, Saul slew his thousands, and David his ten thousands?

And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king;
to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse,
a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.

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Isaiah 22:22 (KJV)
And [the key] of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open,
and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.

Revelation 3:7 (KJV)
And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy,
he that is true, he that hath [the key of David], he that openeth, and no man shutteth;
and shutteth, and no man openeth;

The key of David, tied to [the septer] promise - to be kings and priests of the most High God

The Son of David
Jesus Christ was a physical Jew, but he was also a spiritual Jew.
“And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him, crying, and saying,
Thou son of David, have mercy on us” (Matthew 9:27).

The expression “son of David” is used 16 times in the gospels. Fifteen of these refer
directly to Jesus Christ. He was of the physical house of David, who was one of Israel’s
most important kings. Christ was a son of David, and also our Lord and saviour.

Hosea 3:5 (KJV)
Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the Lord their God,
and David their king; and shall fear the Lord and his goodness in [the latter days].

prove-all · Dec 3, 2016

God raised up Moses, to lead Israel out of the bondage of Egypt.

When they reached Mt. Sinai, God made a covenant with them establishing
them as a nation—His nation—among the kingdoms of the world.

Their government was theocratic, with the civil, as well as the spiritual and religious
laws, given directly from God. God Himself was their King and He ruled them by a
system of judges. Israel was both church and state.

The Israelites formed the church in the wilderness. Acts 7:38

God gave Israel a twofold form of government. The congregation, or church, was given
ritualistic laws—animal sacrifices, meat and drink offerings, carnal ordinances.

But Israel also was a civil government; thus for it God established civil officers and
civil laws—statutes and judgments. The one great central code of law, basis for both
church and civil government—the overall spiritual code—was the Ten Commandments,
spoken by God to all the congregation, written with the very finger of God in tables of stone.

Soon they became dissatisfied with God as their King and demanded that
a man should be their king as in the Gentile nations around them.

When the elders of Israel came to Samuel demanding a man be made their king,
it naturally displeased Samuel, their prophet. But the Eternal said: “Hearken unto
the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee,
but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.…

[H]owbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king
that shall reign over them” (1 Samuel 8:7-9).

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Saul was their first human king. He refused obedience to God and was finally rejected.

He was slain in battle. His sole surviving son, Ishbosheth, was slain after a reign of
only two years (2 Samuel 2:10). However, Ishbosheth never reigned over Judah.
With this short reign over part of Israel, Saul’s dynasty ceased.

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David succeeded Saul. David sat on the Eternal’s throne.

Before Saul, the Eternal had been King over Israel. These human kings were sitting
upon the Eternal’s throne.The Eternal—“Lord”—is Jesus Christ who was with the
Father before the world was(John 17:5; 1:1-2, 14).

Jesus is both the “root” and the “offspring” of David (Revelation 22:16).
Since He was the “root,” the throne was His before David was born.

David merely sat upon the Eternal’s throne. Secondly, since Jesus was David’s
lawful fleshly Son, this same throne shall once more become His right by
inheritance, continuing David’s dynasty. And so, when Christ returns to Earth,
David’s throne will be doubly His right!

prove-all · Dec 3, 2016

yes it would be, and God blessed the fruit of his loins and his house was great.
there is also [the house of God] that referes to the temple that Solomon built.

“And it came to pass that night, that the word of the Lord came unto Nathan, saying,
Go and tell my servant David, Thus saith the Lord, Shalt thou build me an house for
me to dwell in?

-God gave David the covenant promise at a time when David was much concerned over
the ark of the covenant dwelling in a tent. David wanted to build a great temple at Jerusalem.

But Solomon would built the temple or [the house of God]

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1 Chronicles 29:
1Furthermore David the king said unto all the congregation, [Solomon my son],
whom alone [God hath chosen], is yet young and tender, and the work is great:

for the palace is not for man, but for the Lord God.

2Now I have prepared with all my might for the house of my God the gold for things to be
made of gold, and the silver for things of silver, and the brass for things of brass, the iron
for things of iron, and wood for things of wood; onyx stones, and stones to be set, glistering
stones, and of divers colours, and all manner of precious stones, and marble stones in abund..

3Moreover, because I have set my affection to the house of my God, I have of mine own
proper good, of gold and silver, which I have given to the house of my God, over and
above all that I have prepared for the holy house,

19And give unto Solomon my son a perfect heart, to keep thy commandments,
thy testimonies, and thy statutes, and to do all these things, and to build the palace,
for the which I have made provision.

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1Thus all the work that Solomon made for the house of the Lord was finished:
and Solomon brought in all the things that David his father had dedicated; and
the silver, and the gold, and all the instruments, put he among the treasures of
[the house of God].

4For thus saith the Lord, the God of Israel, concerning
the houses of this city, and concerning the houses of the kings of Judah,
which are thrown down by the mounts, and by the sword;

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Ezra 5:13 (KJV)
But in the first year of Cyrus the king of Babylon the same king Cyrus made
a decree to build this [house of God].

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12And Jesus went into [the temple of God], and cast out all them that sold and bought
in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them
that sold doves, And said unto them, It is written, [My house] shall be called the house
of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

-13 He [Solomon]shall build a house for my name,

JaumeJ · Dec 4, 2016

Please keep in mind the throne of David is eternal. In many passages when there is a reference to David it is a reference to Jesus Christ. David, translated, is Beloved, and the Bloved will always be Jesus Christ, the King Eternal.

popeye · Dec 4, 2016

David is a forerunner.

He is not Christ,only a type of Christ.

Davids throne is re established. Christ will sit on it,not David.

popeye · Dec 4, 2016

God bless you Grace 777.

What you doin up so early??

garee · Dec 4, 2016

Yahshua said:

Christ who knew no sin, became sin as the Son of man who died for the iniquity of us all. Christ the Holy Spirit cannot die. The iniquity of us was imputed to Him .His work of faith, as Christ's labor of love by which we receive His grace was imputed to us.

David as a new creature in Christ was used to represent the incorruptible spiritual seed (Christ) and not after his flesh as many seeds as those who have not been born form God.

Because David was a new creature when he did deny Christ in unbelief he was assured by the Spirit of Christ that dwelt in David that He cannot deny us. Rather than sending a strong delusion to believe the lie as in natural man .The Spirit of Christ that worked in David would speak to the new heart of David the, voice of God turning David so that he could repent having been first turned by God..

Natural man receives the strong delusion needed to continue to believe the lying signs and wonders.

garee · Dec 4, 2016

The temporal reign using an outward appearance as a king came with a condition. Saul flunked the test. The next person to fulfill that position was the Son of man coming from the flesh of David, as the eternal spiritual seed of Christ.

Conditional on if.

1Ki 6:12 Concerning this house which thou art in building, if thou wilt walk in my statutes, and execute my judgments, and keep all my commandments to walk in them; then will I perform my word with thee, which I spake unto David thy father:

1Ki 11:38 And it shall be, if thou wilt hearken unto all that I command thee, and wilt walk in my ways, and do that is right in my sight, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as David my servant did; that I will be with thee, and build thee a sure house, as I built for David, and will give Israel unto thee

Yahshua · Dec 5, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

I had no clue honestly...so I ran a search of the Hebrew words to see if they gave any insight and it gets more interesting. What they appear to say is, "I will chasten him with the rod of men and with the stripes of the sons of men", which reminds me of the Hebrews 5:8 ("he learned obedience through suffering"). Now the scriptures are well known for their poetic form of writing (i.e. repeating lines again in a different way) which can sometimes get lost in translations, so it seems that's what happened here as the Hebrew says:

"the rod of men"
"the stripes of the sons of men"

...clearly we recognize the "stripes" line from another famous passage, so to me "the rod of men" ties to that line as colorful language that perfectly describes the "bruising/beating" Christ went through from his brothers for us. So then I wondered to myself if the Hebrew of the phrase "when he commits iniquity" ("asher be ha avo tov") should've be translated different.

{....research...}

Now what's a little frustrating is this phrase isn't found anywhere else in scripture to reference. Also, depending on how Hebrew words are put together (a letter added here and there), they can mean something completely different. So I was researched these words across several sites today, trying to build some sort of reference, and I pieced together the following meanings (**though don't hold me to them...**).

asher ("who/that")

be (loosely meaning "in/with"...it's like a connector)

ha ("by/which")

avo (bend or twisting, where I assume translator got "iniquity" or "perversion") OR avoy (bent down/low as in "sorrow")

tov (good; intended; working the way it's supposed to)

Now I'm not an expert in Hebrew and I hope I'm not forcing a proof, but if the word was translated as "sorrow" it would fit much better than "iniquity", as in...

"I shall be his father and he son who by/with sorrow (as intended) I will chasten him with the rod of men and with the stripes of the sons of men."

If this is a more accurate translation the passage REALLY jumps to life in reference to Christ. But regardless of what this passage actually means in the natural, we know it still points to him prophetically and that's all that really matters to me too.

Isaiah 53:5
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Amen.

ZEEK · Dec 5, 2016

Very interesting Yahshua. Could it also rather mean that he was chastened by the iniquity of others, rather than for his own iniquity?

prove-all · Dec 5, 2016

Samuel 23: “Now these be the last words of David.…God hath made with
me an everlasting covenant, ordered in all things, and sure.

-shall endure forever and cannot fail!

David succeeded Saul. David sat on the Eternal’s throne.
David’s son Solomon succeeded him, also sitting on the Eternal’s throne.

“Then Solomon sat on the throne of the [Eternal] as king instead of David his father”
(1 Chronicles 29:23; 2 Chronicles 9:8).

23Then Solomon sat on the throne of the Lord as king instead of David his father,
and prospered; and all Israel obeyed him.

8Blessed be the Lord thy God, which delighted in thee to set thee on his throne,
to be king for the Lord thy God: because thy God loved Israel, to establish them
for ever, therefore made he thee king over them, to do judgment and justice.

2 Samuel 7:12
And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers,
I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels,
and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name,
and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

14I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity,
I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:

15But my mercy shall not depart away from him,
as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.

16And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee:
thy throne shall be established for ever.

(Psalm 89:30-37)
29His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven.
30If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;

31If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;
32Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.

33Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail.
34My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.

35Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
36His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.

37It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.

God will not take the throne away as He took it from Saul. How did He take it from Saul?
Saul’s dynasty ended! No son of Saul ever sat on the throne. But Solomon’s dynasty would
not end. - The punishment for disobedience would be chastening at the hands of men.

The throne—David’s throne —was established forever in Solomon

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1 Chronicles 17:11 (KJV)
And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers,
that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom.

12He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever.
13I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him,
as I took it from him that was before thee:

14But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever:
and his throne shall be established for evermore.

1 Chronicles 22:
7And David said to Solomon, My son, as for me, it was in my mind to build an house unto
the name of the Lord my God: But the word of the Lord came to me, saying, Thou hast shed
blood abundantly, and hast made great wars: thou shalt not build an house unto my name,
because thou hast shed much blood upon the earth in my sight.

Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from
all his enemies round about: for his name shall be [Solomon], and I will give peace and quietness
unto Israel in his days.

[He shall build an house for my name]; and he shall be my son, and I will be his father;
and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever.

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If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night
21Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant,

that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne;
and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.

25Thus saith the Lord; [If ]my covenant be not with day and night,
and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth;

26[Then] will I cast away (the seed) (of Jacob), and David my servant, so that I will
not take any of his seed to be [ruler over the seed] of [Abraham, Isaac, (and Jacob): ]
for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.

ruler

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5Ought ye not to know that the Lord God of Israel gave the kingdom over
Israel to David for ever, even to him and to his sons by a covenant of salt?

3I have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto [David my servant],
4Thy seed will I establish for ever, and [build up thy throne] [to all generations]. Selah.

all generations

ZEEK · Dec 5, 2016

Exactly, an everlasting throne.

So when the terrestrial Kings of Judah ceased, Christ was anointed King of Israel on the eternal throne of David in heavenly places.

prove-all · Dec 5, 2016

Since God did firmly establish this throne with David and with Solomon,
if David’s throne ceased from existence, even for the length of one generation,
could we say it had been established forever as God here promised?

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