The prophets, Paul...and JESUS

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Jun 1, 2016
5,032
121
0
#1
just to offer an example or 2 of the many available

Jesus....Luke 24:25-27 "Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: 26Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? 27And beginning at MOSES and ALL THE PROPHETS, he EXPOUNDED unto them in all the scriptures the THINGS CONCERNING HIMSELF."


Paul from "acts 26: 22-23 "Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, WITNESSING both TO SMALL AND GREAT, SAYING NONE OTHER THINGS THAN THOSE which the PROPHETS and MOSES DID SAY should come: 23That CHRIST should SUFFER, and that he should be the first that should RISE from the dead, and should SHEW LIGHT unto the people, AND TO the Gentiles."

pauls teaching " you are saved by Grace that came through Jesus because He died for your sins, when you didnt deserve it according to your sinful Behavior under Law"


Pauls teaching " Jesus died for your sin by bearing it for you He died because the Law demands that sinners die as punishment for thise sin. or" being made sin for us" " you are justified according to the mosiac LAW. because of what Jesus did "


the prophet isaiah foretelling of the CHIRST. Who is Jesus.


Isaiah 53:4-7 "Surely he hath BORN OUR griefs, and CARRIED OUR sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5But he was wounded FOR OUR TRANSGRESSIONS, he was bruised FOR OUR INIQUITIES: THE CHASTISEMENT of OUR PEACE was UPON HIM; and with HIS STRIPES WE ARE HEALED. 6All we LIKE SHEEP HAVE GONE ASTRAY; we have TURNED EVERY ONE to his OWN WAY; and the LORD hath laid ON HIM the INIQUITY of US ALL.
7He was oppressed, and he was AFFLICTED, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a LAMB to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth."


Isaiah 53:10-12 "Yet it pleased the LORD to BRUISE HIM; he hath HIM TO GRIEF: when thou shalt make his soul an OFFERING FOR SIN, he shall see HIS SEED, he shall prolong HIS DAYS, and the PLEASURE OF the LORD shall prosper IN HIS HAND.
11He SHALL SEE of the TRAVAIL OF HIS SOULS, and shall BE SATISFIED: by HIS KNOWLEDGE shall MY RIGHTEOUS SERVANT JUSTIFY MANY; for he SHALL BEAR THIER INIQUITIES. 12Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall DIVIDE the spoil WITH THE STRONG; because he hath POURED OUT HIS SOUL unto death: and HE was NUMBERED WITH the transgressors; and HE BARE THE SIN OF MANY, and made INTERCESSION FOR THE TRANSGRESSORS."


Can we see that paul was teaching this same thing Paul after Jesus had come, Isaiah a prophet beforehand ( hebrews 1 the first chapter) was foretelling of Jesus who was to come to suffer and bear our iniquities, dying for our sin and being raised to Life and that He would share HIS inheritance of "prolonged days" with the" strong" or" those who persevere in Hm" or in others word Those who believe and trust in Christ Jesus. yet realizing that all of the prophets are foretelling of Jesus in some way, and there is more to the messiah Than the" Lamb" He is much more than the Jesus who suffered for Sin, He is also and much more The One who is the Lord over all things.<<< that really means He is Lord, Not only the sacrificial Lamb of meekness, Butthe One who COMMANDS Gods people in order to put thier sinful nature to death through His Word, that Gives us Life through the spirit that is the true Knowledge in the words of Jesus. another prophecy says of Jesus


isaiah 49:5-6"And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to BRING JACOB AGAIN TO HIM, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength.
6And he said, It is a LIGHT THING that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to RESTORE THE PRESERVED OF ISREAL: I will also give thee for a LIGHT TO THE GENTILES, that THOU mayest BE MY SALVATION unto the END OF THE EARTH."


isaiah 49:8-9 "Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give THEE FOR A COVENANT of the people, to establish THE EARTH, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;" 9That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; TO THEM that ARE IN DARKNESS, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places."


again a teaching of paul was that the gentiles, would be brought into the fold through Christ, the gentiles who were excluded by the Law to be Gods chosen People, God ordained Jesus to be the savior of all men who will believe. this is part of why Jesus died, because the covenant Given beforehand needed to be fulfilled in the appearance of the Christ on earth, the redeemer and Holy One The messenger of truth promised through the prophets of God beforehand.


Look at this one... isaiah 11:1-5 "And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2And the SPIRIT OF the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING, the spirit of COUNSEL AND MIGHT, the spirit of KNOWLEDGE and of the FEAR OF the LORD; 3And shall make him of QUICK UNDERSTANDING IN THE FEAR OF the LORD: and he shall NOT judge AFTER the sight of HIS EYES, neither reprove after the hearing of HIS ears:
4BUT WITH righteousness shall he JUDGE the poor, and REPROVE WITH EQUITY for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the ROD OF HIS MOUTH, and with the breath of his LIPS shall he SLAY THE WICKED. 5And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of HIS REIGNS."


this also is Jesus is the point. there are so many worth more than gold scriptures to us the gosl of us all is to come to the Knowledge of Jesus that He came to deliver through His word. the prize and granbd subject of everything God has to say to us, is Jesus His One and only begotten Son that suffered for the dead and taught us Life, to redeem us ALL BECAUSE of Gods Love FOR us even when we were dead in sin, Jesus died to Give us the Life in His WORDS that are spirit and truth. the Light of Knowledge is Jesus the Light of mankind everything is understood through the wisdom he spoke, nothing is ever to be ommited that Jesus who died, said and all SHOULD be ever the words of Our Lord Jesus who suffered in every way man can deserve to suffer, in order to take away a covenant that excludes and restricts and ends at death, in order to Give Gods true will, that we should Live with Him in peace forever through the Knowledge and wisdom of His Son who pauid the price of redemption, and said to learn and obey His word. if you Love Jesus, find out what He who would soon suffer for us, said and honor those things. that is Gods will because it will transform us if we do so into children of God in truth, removing sins dominion.


Jesus is understood so much clearer with Knowledge that He is the way the truth and Life and the Only way to the Father is through Him and that the prophets and apostles are teling us , witnessing and teaching us about the same Jesus who walked with and taught them and then said " go teach all people the truth that is full of my grace." there is never going to be a form of Grace that denies Jesus words coming from the spirit of God. He already said clearly " This is my Son, with whom i am well pleased Listen to Him" there are so many prophecies telling us Jesus is the truth , the wisdom from God to man, The One who IS, and will ever be.no doctrine will ever change what all the bible says of Jesus and His eternal things that will not change


Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever" Love Him because first He has Loved you enough to do what the word says He did. Jesus did all he did to win our heart for God, the God who Loves us so much, He sent His one and only Son to suffer our punishment and shame. if He wins our heart, our life will follow. How much does Jesus have to do before We will believe that He is the One Who God has sent, the One who is Lord the one we seek after with all our strength the one we hear and obey, which is what He said to do? Know Jesus, Know Gods word and Live eternally. Jesus is worth believing and commiting to.
 
Feb 28, 2016
11,311
2,972
113
#2
a good post FollowJesus,

many, many people believe that Jesus is The Son of God,
they just don't choose to follow His Rules or adhere
to the Obedience He requires in order to be allowed
to walk in His Light of Love...

Praise God for our Brothers and Sisters who do!...
 

Dan_473

Senior Member
Mar 11, 2014
9,054
1,051
113
#3
ISAIAH 40:1 Give comfort, give comfort, to my people, says your God.
ISAIAH 40:2 Say kind words to the heart of Jerusalem, crying out to her that her time of trouble is ended, that her punishment is complete; that she has been rewarded by the Lord's hand twice over for all her sins.
 
Jun 1, 2016
5,032
121
0
#4
a good post FollowJesus,

many, many people believe that Jesus is The Son of God,
they just don't choose to follow His Rules or adhere
to the Obedience He requires in order to be allowed
to walk in His Light of Love...

Praise God for our Brothers and Sisters who do!...
which to me, is why paul was focused on His Love for us and also that we owe Him fullness of our lives as well in response......because in reality, Jesus was spit on, tortured, beaten twice both by gentiles and Jews, chained and lead around as a common criminal, had a spectacle made of the very Son of God who had come healing, and fogiving and explaining everything to us and then showed us How great is Gods Love that has been lavished, the He would sacrifice His only Begotten Son in such a harsh way, and that those who carried out this horror On Him are the Ones He still forgave as they did it, and after and still today forgives us for Our own personal part of His crucifixion every time we sin, it is we who are participating in the spectacle. its simply about Loving God in truth because we truly believe What has been done on our personal Behalf, at that point "who wouldn't strive after the things He says to strive after plainly." what will God do to those who take the death of His son done in perfect Love, as " i dont owe Jesus my Life"

Colossians 2:2-15 "That THIER HEARTS might BE COMFORTED, being knit TOGETHER in love, and unto all riches of the FULL ASSURANCE of UNDERSTANDING, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, AND of the FATHER, and of CHRIST; 3In whom are hid ALL THE treasures of WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE. 4And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with ENTICING WORDS. 5For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the STEADFASTNESS OF YOUR FAITH in Christ.
6AS ye have THEREFORE received Christ Jesus THE LORD, SO WALK YE IN HIM: 7Rooted and built up IN HIM, and STABLISHED IN THE FAITH, as ye have been TAUGHT, ABOUDING THERIN with THANKSgiving. 8BEWARE lest any man SPOIL YOU THROUGH PHILOSOPHY and vain DECEIT, after the tradition of MEN, after the rudiments OF THE WORLD, and NOT AFTER CHRIST. 9For IN HIM DWELLETH all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10And ye are complete IN HIM, which is the HEAD OF ALL principality and power:
11In whom also ye are circumcised with the CIRCUMCISION made without hands, in PUTTIN OFF the BODY THE SINS OF THE FLESH by the CIRCUMCISION OF CHRIST: 12Buried WITH HIM in baptism, wherein also ye are risen WITH HIM through THE FAITH of the operation of GOD, who hath raised him from the dead. 13And YOU, being DEAD in your SINS and the UNCIRCUMCISION OF your FLESH, hath he quickened together WITH HIM, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that WAS AGAINST US, which was CONTRARY TO US, and took it out of the way, nailing IT TO HIS CROSS; 15And having SPOILED principalities and powers, he MADE A SHEW OF THEM OPENLY, triumphing over them in it."


v 11 above "...luke 9:22-24 "And he said, “The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.” ( paul taught this )
23Then he said to them all: “Whoever wants to be my disciple MUST DENY THEMSELVES and take up their CROSS daily and FOLLOW ME. 24For whoever wants to save THIER life WILL LOSE IT, but whoever loses THIER LIFE FOR ME will SAVE IT. ( paul taught this)


pauls words...colossians 3:5-6 "MORTIFY therefore your members which are UPON THE EARTH; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is IDOLATRY: 6For WHICH THINGS' sake the WRATH of God COMETH on the CHILDREN OF DISOBEDIENCE"
 
Jun 1, 2016
5,032
121
0
#5
ISAIAH 40:1 Give comfort, give comfort, to my people, says your God.
ISAIAH 40:2 Say kind words to the heart of Jerusalem, crying out to her that her time of trouble is ended, that her punishment is complete; that she has been rewarded by the Lord's hand twice over for all her sins.
of Jerusalem,
 

JaumeJ

Senior Member
Jul 2, 2011
21,230
6,527
113
#6
The Prophets and Paul are always in total agreement with Jesus Christ. Any time any thing a Prophet of God or Paul are in disagreement, it is misunderstood.

But you know this..... (posted for those who do not.)
 
Jun 1, 2016
5,032
121
0
#7
The Prophets and Paul are always in total agreement with Jesus Christ. Any time any thing a Prophet of God or Paul are in disagreement, it is misunderstood.

But you know this..... (posted for those who do not.)
im glad you posted that im so disorganized usually that alot gets confusing, but if i think it through, it gets disorginized in my head. i appreciate any clear value such as you always add.
 
Jun 1, 2016
5,032
121
0
#8
The Prophets and Paul are always in total agreement with Jesus Christ. Any time any thing a Prophet of God or Paul are in disagreement, it is misunderstood.

But you know this..... (posted for those who do not.)
Jesus is also the "bridge" between paul and the prophets, just a thought i had, its like when you understand that Jesus is just saying the whole covenant, like God spoke the firest through moses "all three become in agreement

Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? This IS HE that came by WATER AND BLOOD, even JESUS Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is THE SPIRIT that beareth WITNESS, because the SPIRIT IS TRUTH."And there are three that bear witness IN EARTH, THE SPIRIT, and the WATER , and the BLOOD: and these three agree IN ONE." " IN Christ Jesus dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead in bodily form"

Jesus came of water and blood, and the spirit, which is the Knowledge of the Jesus. He came By water, through baptism, by blood through the Shedding of His own Blood, and by the spirit Because the Holy spirit IS in the words of Jesus.

The old is the testimony of the Father about His son. the gospel is Jesus testimony of Himself and of truth, and the church is testifying by the spirit living in us through the promise of Jesus where all of the covenant begins.i get carried away sometimes but to deny Jesus words ....is destructive to spiritual Life.