Jesus Birth not December ??

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I don't think Jesus really cares that much about His birthday. But just when do you think it was ? I really don't go with December myself. Since Elizabeth (John’s mother) was in her sixth month of pregnancy when Jesus was conceived (Luke 1:24-36 Luke 1:24-3624 And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months, saying, 25 Thus has the Lord dealt with me in the days wherein he looked on me, to take away my reproach among men. 26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, 27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary. 28 And the angel came in to her, and said, Hail, you that are highly favored, the Lord is with you: blessed are you among women. 29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. 30 And the angel said to her, Fear not, Mary: for you have found favor with God. 31 And, behold, you shall conceive in your womb, and bring forth a son, and shall call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give to him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34 Then said Mary to the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said to her, The Holy Ghost shall come on you, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow you: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of you shall be called the Son of God. 36 And, behold, your cousin Elisabeth, she has also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
American King James Version×), we can determine the approximate time of year Jesus was born if we know when John was born. John’s father, Zacharias, was a priest serving in the Jerusalem temple during the course of Abijah (Luke 1:5 Luke 1:5THERE was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
American King James Version×). Historical calculations indicate this course of service corresponded to June 13-19 in that year ( The Companion Bible, 1974, Appendix 179, p. 200). It was during this time of temple service that Zacharias learned that he and his wife Elizabeth would have a child (Luke 1:8-13 Luke 1:8-138 And it came to pass, that while he executed the priest’s office before God in the order of his course, 9 According to the custom of the priest’s office, his lot was to burn incense when he went into the temple of the Lord. 10 And the whole multitude of the people were praying without at the time of incense. 11 And there appeared to him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense. 12 And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell on him. 13 But the angel said to him, Fear not, Zacharias: for your prayer is heard; and your wife Elisabeth shall bear you a son, and you shall call his name John.
American King James Version×). After he completed his service and traveled home, Elizabeth conceived (Luke 1:23-24 Luke 1:23-2423 And it came to pass, that, as soon as the days of his ministration were accomplished, he departed to his own house. 24 And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months, saying,
American King James Version×). Assuming John’s conception took place near the end of June, adding nine months brings us to the end of March as the most likely time for John’s birth. Adding another six months (the difference in ages between John and Jesus) brings us to the end of September as the likely time of Jesus’ birth
 

Yonah

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I think rev. 12 is quit revealing on this subject... I realize many have been taught this is Israel not the Savor so most will reject it. and the fact that the bible itself never gives command or direction in the observance of ANY birthday let alone our Savior, one has to ask: then where did all this come from? and despite popular opinion why do many choose to cellibrate this , while (in many cases) knowing that his birthday didn't even happen even near the time specified? well that's kinda like choosing to take the blue pill or the red one....... but if the truth is what you want look into it but be warned, you may not like what you discover.
 

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We have great need to learn not to think above that which is written, to avoid exaggeration and over-estimation, such as taking too much thought and then writing to much about something that is of none effect, and brings forth no fruit whatsoever.
 

valiant

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We have great need to learn not to think above that which is written, to avoid exaggeration and over-estimation, such as taking too much thought and then writing to much about something that is of none effect, and brings forth no fruit whatsoever.
the answer is we don't know when it was lol What matters is that He was born.
 

DiscipleDave

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I don't think Jesus really cares that much about His birthday. But just when do you think it was ? I really don't go with December myself. Since Elizabeth (John’s mother) was in her sixth month of pregnancy when Jesus was conceived (Luke 1:24-36 Luke 1:24-3624 And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months, saying, 25 Thus has the Lord dealt with me in the days wherein he looked on me, to take away my reproach among men. 26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, 27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary. 28 And the angel came in to her, and said, Hail, you that are highly favored, the Lord is with you: blessed are you among women. 29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. 30 And the angel said to her, Fear not, Mary: for you have found favor with God. 31 And, behold, you shall conceive in your womb, and bring forth a son, and shall call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give to him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34 Then said Mary to the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said to her, The Holy Ghost shall come on you, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow you: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of you shall be called the Son of God. 36 And, behold, your cousin Elisabeth, she has also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
American King James Version×), we can determine the approximate time of year Jesus was born if we know when John was born. John’s father, Zacharias, was a priest serving in the Jerusalem temple during the course of Abijah (Luke 1:5 Luke 1:5THERE was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
American King James Version×). Historical calculations indicate this course of service corresponded to June 13-19 in that year ( The Companion Bible, 1974, Appendix 179, p. 200). It was during this time of temple service that Zacharias learned that he and his wife Elizabeth would have a child (Luke 1:8-13 Luke 1:8-138 And it came to pass, that while he executed the priest’s office before God in the order of his course, 9 According to the custom of the priest’s office, his lot was to burn incense when he went into the temple of the Lord. 10 And the whole multitude of the people were praying without at the time of incense. 11 And there appeared to him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense. 12 And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell on him. 13 But the angel said to him, Fear not, Zacharias: for your prayer is heard; and your wife Elisabeth shall bear you a son, and you shall call his name John.
American King James Version×). After he completed his service and traveled home, Elizabeth conceived (Luke 1:23-24 Luke 1:23-2423 And it came to pass, that, as soon as the days of his ministration were accomplished, he departed to his own house. 24 And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months, saying,
American King James Version×). Assuming John’s conception took place near the end of June, adding nine months brings us to the end of March as the most likely time for John’s birth. Adding another six months (the difference in ages between John and Jesus) brings us to the end of September as the likely time of Jesus’ birth
celebrate His birth, don't celebrate His birth. Let everyone do what is in their hearts to do. Let not one judge another person because they do celebrate His birth, or don't celebrate His birth.

What is it to you if i celebrate the miracle of Jesus feeding the masses with fish and bread, and i pick a day to do that? Who are you in this generation, to say what is right and what is wrong? Does not the Holy Ghost convict us of what is sinful and what is not sinful? If i choose to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ on Dec 25th who are you in this generation to say i am wrong to do so. Know who else hates people celebrating the birth of the Savior Jesus Christ? satan and his followers is the answer to that question.

Since Scriptures does not tell us a specific date to celebrate His birth, pick one if you are so inclined to do so. Scriptures does not condemn celebrating His birth, so why are there people in this generation who condemn the celebrating of the birth of Jesus Christ? because they lack the Truth and Understanding of the Love of Christ, going about to cause brothers and sisters to stumble, be confused, and doubt. All things which satan does well.

Want to celebrate Jesus Birthday in September? God Speed. Want to celebrate Jesus Birthday in December? God Speed. Don't want to celebrate Jesus Birthday? God Speed. But woe unto them that judge people who do or don't celebrate His Birth, they lack the Truth of God in them, all the while saying with their mouths "I know the Truth" Do not hearken to them or give them place, they be blind trying to make others blind like unto themselves.

In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ

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Was Jesus also born at the inn, in a stable. Some would argue that he was born in a house. Matt 2:11
 

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Was Jesus also born at the inn, in a stable. Some would argue that he was born in a house. Matt 2:11
this seems pretty straightforward to me....

[SUP]7 [/SUP]And she gave birth to her firstborn son; and she wrapped Him in cloths, and laid Him in a [SUP][d][/SUP]manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.
 
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I really didn't mean to give the impression that I really care when Jesus birthday is. Like I said I don't think he cares so why should I. I just started the thread for those who don't know the truth. Or should I say my belief. To each his own I'm not trying to push anything on anyone.
 
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this seems pretty straightforward to me....

Was Jesus born in a stable? Or a barn? Or a cave? The Bible does not mention any of these three places in connection with Christ’s birth, only a manger. Scripture simply reports that they laid Jesus in a manger because there was no room for him in the guest room. The Greek word used in Scripture is kataluma, and can mean guest chamber, lodging place or inn. The only other time this word was used in the New Testament, it means a furnished, large, upper story room within a private house. It is translated guest chamber, not inn (Mark 14:14-15). According to our Bible archaeology experts, Jesus was probably born in the house of relatives, but outside (under) the normal living and guest quarters.
 

DiscipleDave

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Was Jesus also born at the inn, in a stable. Some would argue that he was born in a house. Matt 2:11
Jesus was born in the stable, but by the time the wise men showed up they were in a house.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave
 

maxwel

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Was Jesus also born at the inn, in a stable. Some would argue that he was born in a house. Matt 2:11
In those days, in that part of the world, houses of common people had a manager inside the house, on a separate side of the house... as the animals were taken inside at night.

So Jesus was most likely born in a poor "commoners" house, over on the side which had a manager, where the animals came in at night.

The research and history is all interesting, and we can discuss it, and debate it... but it doesn't really change my day much.
 

Blain

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no he was not born in december but the tradition is to celebrate his birth in december as for where he was born the scriptures imply a barn or a stable which is almost the same thing except a stable has many kinds of animals in there. But regardless the whole Christmas season is placed into question because many say that Christmas is pagan and that santa is an anagram for satan and I can easily see how both of these are true after all the origins of Christmas are not about our savior and if you switch the words around it's no surprise that santa spells satan and for most people in america Christmas is not about Jesus it's about presents santa Rudolf the red nose reindeer ect. yes many claim to make it about Jesus but in their hearts it's about presents.

I would actually prefer that in my house we didn't get any presents because that's what Christmas is about here and it saddens me. Yet even with all this when december comes around all I can think about is the Christmas spirit I can just sense that there is something about Christmas and about the Christmas spirit that I have yet to know understand and to have.
Last year what I asked God for Christmas was to mow understand and have this Christmas spirit not just once a year but all year. I have knowledge of the Christmas spirit and when december rolls around I get a sense of it but knowing about something and understanding it are two very different things.

However I did not get what asked for last year and this year my request is the same
 

valiant

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Was Jesus also born at the inn, in a stable. Some would argue that he was born in a house. Matt 2:11
If Jesus was born in a stable then everything we know about the Jews is false,. They were well known for their hospitality. No Jew ever stayed in an inn when there were Jews around who could give hospitality, For the son of David arriving at his home town to be unable to find hospitality would have been seen as shameful by all.

He would have stayed at the ancestral home. On the ground floor would have been sleeping accommodation both for people and for animals, the domestic animals that supplied their milk etc,. To sleep alongside the animals was not seen as degrading, but as common sense. That was why there were mangers there'.

The word translated as 'inn' only occurs one other time in the NT, to translate the guest room where Jesus held the Lord's Supper with his disciples. So the Scriptures say that He was born in the bedroom on the ground floor because there was no room for them in the guest room. The manger was seen as warm and comfortable.


Nor does the Scripture teach that the birth was the night they entered Bethlehem. It occurred some time after their arrival. And it was in the full hospitality of a Jewish home. The story of the stable arose among the Gentiles who would know nothing of all this. They translated 'a resting place, a guest room' as an inn. THEY used inns.
 
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Scriptures point more to a fall birth around September or October.

The wise men met the young boy in the house. The shepherds saw the infant Christ in the manger. These are two separate events. There were no wise men/kings at the manger. Any nativity scene showing wise men is in scriptural error :p (also if they portray a female angel, it's in error too).
 

hornetguy

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No Jew ever stayed in an inn when there were Jews around who could give hospitality, For the son of David arriving at his home town to be unable to find hospitality would have been seen as shameful by all.
I had never heard this. What is the source for this fact?
 

maxwel

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In those days, in that part of the world, houses of common people had a manager inside the house, on a separate side of the house... as the animals were taken inside at night.

So Jesus was most likely born in a poor "commoners" house, over on the side which had a manager, where the animals came in at night.

The research and history is all interesting, and we can discuss it, and debate it... but it doesn't really change my day much.
MUCH TYPOS...
sorry guys.

Thinking too much about work.

Jesus was NOT born in a "manager".

;)

(Not unless you consider Mary a great manager, and you know, she might have been, so... maybe my typos are just fine.)
 
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I know it says that in the book of Bob 6:43 the apostles were going to throw him a surprise party around the month of Sept. But Jesus being who he was already knew about it so the cancelled.