The tares (weeds) are born-again, but are going to hell

Blain · Dec 5, 2016

Don't assume that you know my heart, I don't appreciate or accept your truth which you call Jesus's truth but the truth he taught me is the polar opposite of yours he didn't teach me to insult and to use my words to speak and preach about hell he didn't teach me to act as if I was right and anyone who disagrees with me is wrong he taught me to use my words to build others up to bring them closer to him to encourage and strengthen to uphold and give life he taught me to preach of his kingdom of his love of his heart to not insult but rather give counsel to not rebuke others for disagreeing with me and act as if everyone else just doesn't know or like the truth.

That is the truth he taught me love humility to give life and to draw his childrens hearts closer to his heart both lost and saved and I by no means make any claim to be right in all things but I at least know what it means and takes to be a true child of God.
Every word and action we say and do is seen as a blade for every blade that can take a life there is also one that can save it for every blade that can inflict cuts and make people bleed there is also a blade that can stitch the cuts and heal the question is what is your blade for?

tourist · Dec 5, 2016

breno785au said:

Apparently, he lives in fear.

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ZacharyB said:

Yes, the purpose of this thread is just another warning!

Consider whether you are a stalk of wheat or a weed (i.e. a phony look-a-like).

God's warnings are not personal ... they don't judge individuals.
They are general warnings to those who think they are God's children, but really ain't.
And the tares (weeds) do not like them one little bit.

So, just who in the Kingdom of God (heaven) are going to be thrown into the fire?

Reality Check: You're not God. (Nor is the Kingdom of God heaven.)

tourist · Dec 5, 2016

ZacharyB said:

Just like you're doing.

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ZacharyB said:

1. No. We do not change.
2. Yes. Jesus changes us, not we change us. God the Father decreed it. God the Son (Jesus) did what the Father decreed. God the Spirit strengthens us.

You really seem to think you are the one who knows who the tare is and the wheat is. God never called you to do this. I can tell because you are so completely clueless to even the words you're using, and yet keep pointing at vague "others" as if you are above it all.

Now, I'm just curious. Do you yet even get that Jesus IS God? You seem to put him into an usher's role, when he is The Show.

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ZacharyB said:

Seriously agreeing with you. You got it! Satan can't change squat either. God chose it and delivered the goods.

[h=1]John 6:35-40English Standard Version (ESV)[/h][FONT=&quot]35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”[/FONT]

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ZacharyB said:

You. But you're simply not catching on that you aren't. You aren't judge, jury, God, pastor or evangelist.

And really? Because you can post verses but ignore the same verses you quote. Look closely. Nothing in the Tare and Wheat story to hint the tare is born again, but you didn't even catch that. Your premise is in the port-a-potty behind the parking lot. Skip left field. You're not even in the stadium.

NotmebutHim · Dec 5, 2016

Depleted said:

You. But you're simply not catching on that you aren't. You aren't judge, jury, God, pastor or evangelist.

And really? Because you can post verses but ignore the same verses you quote. Look closely. Nothing in the Tare and Wheat story to hint the tare is born again, but you didn't even catch that. Your premise is in the port-a-potty behind the parking lot. Skip left field. You're not even in the stadium.

"port-a-potty behind the parking lot"

Love it!

dcontroversal · Dec 5, 2016

This reeks of ignorance (Title)

trofimus · Dec 6, 2016

ZacharyB said:

Jesus uses the term "kingdom of God" in several meanings. It does not apply that everyone who is said to be in the Kingdom must be born-again.

Look for example at:

"I say to you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven [= believing, born-again non-Jews].

But the sons of the kingdom[= unbelieving Jews] will be cast out [=out of the kingdom] into the outer darkness; "
(Mt 8:12)

Its clear that these Jews are not born-again and never have been. But still, Christ describes them as the sons of Kingdom, being cast out of the kingdom.

So the ckontext of every specific place must be taken into consideration. Your conclusion is not right.

posthuman · Dec 6, 2016

"born not of corruptible seed, but incorruptible"

OP is suggesting that some are reborn, in the Spirit, by corruptible seed.

bogus.

Christ chose Judas.
remember that?

here are the "tares" --

Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Festival, many people saw the signs he was performing and believed in his name. But Jesus would not entrust himself to them, for he knew all people. He did not need any testimony about mankind, for he knew what was in each person.
(John 2:23-25)

"but Jesus would not entrust Himself to them."

what does that mean?

well, how are His saints born of the Spirit?
the Spirit is given to them, entering in and redeeming. it is "entrusted" - and sent by Christ.

[HR][/HR][HR][/HR]
i heard a pastor recently saying that one of the biggest problems in the modern church is a complete misunderstanding and trivialization of being "born again" -- because it leads to so many other errors. seems i've been shown an example, to reinforce that statement.

born of 'incorruptible' seed unto corruption?
indwelt by a spirit working an ineffectual salvation?
kept by a god who is unable to keep?
given eternal life that is not eternal?

heh. no.
but i will trust in my Redeemer, who is able to save to the uttermost!

NarrowRoadDisciple · Dec 6, 2016

Alright, so after everyone has now ganged up on ZacharyB, I will say this.
The dynamic he speaks of does have a little truth in it. Perhaps his wording could be adjusted, but this really falls into that old discussion of OSAS, which I know most people do not want to start up again.

chancer · Dec 6, 2016

ZacharyB said:

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John 3 (NKJV)
[SUP]3[/SUP] “Most assuredly, I say to you,
unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
[SUP]5[/SUP] “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit,
he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6[/SUP] That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

John 3 (NLT)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]“I tell you the truth,
unless you are born again, you cannot see the Kingdom of God.”
[SUP]5 [/SUP]“I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life.

John 3 (TLB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]“With all the earnestness I possess I tell you this:
Unless you are born again, you can never get into the Kingdom of God.”
[SUP]5 [/SUP]“What I am telling you so earnestly is this:
Unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Men can only reproduce human life, but the Holy Spirit gives new life from heaven

(From the above) Jesus says:
Everyone in the kingdom of God has been born-again!

Matthew 13 (NLT) • Jesus’ Explanation of His Parable of the Wheat and Weeds
[SUP]37 [/SUP]The Son of Man is the farmer who plants the good seed.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]The field is the world, and the good seed represents the people of the Kingdom.
The weeds are the people who belong to the evil one.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]The enemy who planted the weeds among the wheat is the devil.
The harvest is the end of the world, and the harvesters are the angels.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]Just as the weeds are sorted out and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the world.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]The Son of Man will send his angels, and
they will remove from his Kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.
[SUP]42 [/SUP]And the angels will throw them into the fiery furnace,
where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

The NASB states the underlined like this:
[SUP]41[/SUP] “they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks,
and those who commit lawlessness”

The Amplified Bible (2015 edition) states the underlined like this:
[SUP]41[/SUP] “they will gather out of His kingdom all causes of offense
[persons by whom others are drawn into error or sin]
and all who do iniquity and act wickedly”

The Kingdom of God has both Good and Bad seeds planted in it.
Everyone in the kingdom of God has been born-again.
What happens to the 2 types of born-again people in the Kingdom?

v.38 … the good seed represents the people that Jesus planted in the Kingdom
v.39 … the weeds were planted among the wheat by the enemy, the devil
v.40 … the weeds are sorted out and burned in the fire
v.41 … the angels will remove everything (the weeds) that causes sin and all who do evil
v.42 … the angels will throw them (the weeds) into the fiery furnace

you cant be born again and go to hell you twonk

posthuman · Dec 6, 2016

"They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us.
For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us;
but their going showed that none of them belonged to us."

ZacharyB · Dec 6, 2016

NarrowRoadDisciple said:

Yes, I discovered the incredible connection between those 2 passages in the OP just recently,
and thought I would share it ... much to everyone's consternation, of course.

People in the western churches prefer to believe what their pastors are telling them:
just keep bringin' in dem tithes ('cause we gots lots of mortgages to pay off),
and we iz all good to go!

“You say, ‘I am rich. I have everything I want. I don’t need a thing!’ And you don’t realize
that you are (spiritually) wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked. (Rev 3:17)

BeyondET · Dec 6, 2016

ZacharyB said:

Not to be rude or anything but I'm not quite understanding the connection between tares weeds being born again and the hell or even the verses posted with the angel speaking to the church in Laodicea could you explain a little more...

To the Church in Laodicea

14“To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:

These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation. 15I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.

19Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent. 20Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.

21To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne. 22Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit

Stephen63 · Dec 6, 2016

Tares are NOT born again. Tares are NOT in God's Kingdom.

ZacharyB, you're turning people against you because you're not properly handling the Word of Truth. God doesn't back those who do so any way they want to.

If you don't see the error of your ways, you'll eventually be banned.

Is that what you want?!?

trofimus · Dec 6, 2016

Stephen63 said:

USA originated from Christians banned in Europe. Banning because of faith/opinion is never right. Yes, in a specific church leaders must hold to the confession of the church.

But to ban people in normal life, discussions, chats for their opinions? No.

Stephen63 · Dec 6, 2016

trofimus said:

Been 'round long enough to know what happens..... didn't say it was right.

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Stephen63 said:

Banned? By whom? (Do you mean banned from this site? Because false teachings rarely get someone banned from this site.)

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