The tares (weeds) are born-again, but are going to hell

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John 3 (NKJV)
[SUP]3[/SUP] “Most assuredly, I say to you,
unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
[SUP]5[/SUP] “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit,
he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6[/SUP] That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

John 3 (NLT)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]“I tell you the truth,
unless you are born again, you cannot see the Kingdom of God.”
[SUP]5 [/SUP]“I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life.

John 3 (TLB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]“With all the earnestness I possess I tell you this:
Unless you are born again, you can never get into the Kingdom of God.”
[SUP]5 [/SUP]“What I am telling you so earnestly is this:
Unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Men can only reproduce human life, but the Holy Spirit gives new life from heaven

(From the above) Jesus says:
Everyone in the kingdom of God has been born-again!

Matthew 13 (NLT) • Jesus’ Explanation of His Parable of the Wheat and Weeds
[SUP]37 [/SUP]The Son of Man is the farmer who plants the good seed.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]The field is the world, and the good seed represents the people of the Kingdom.
The weeds are the people who belong to the evil one.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]The enemy who planted the weeds among the wheat is the devil.
The harvest is the end of the world, and the harvesters are the angels.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]Just as the weeds are sorted out and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the world.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]The Son of Man will send his angels, and
they will remove from his Kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.
[SUP]42 [/SUP]And the angels will throw them into the fiery furnace,
where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

The NASB states the underlined like this:
[SUP]41[/SUP] “they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks,
and those who commit lawlessness”

The Amplified Bible (2015 edition) states the underlined like this:
[SUP]41[/SUP] “they will gather out of His kingdom all causes of offense
[persons by whom others are drawn into error or sin]
and all who do iniquity and act wickedly”

The Kingdom of God has both Good and Bad seeds planted in it.
Everyone in the kingdom of God has been born-again.
What happens to the 2 types of born-again people in the Kingdom?

v.38 … the good seed represents the people that Jesus planted in the Kingdom
v.39 … the weeds were planted among the wheat by the enemy, the devil
v.40 … the weeds are sorted out and burned in the fire
v.41 … the angels will remove everything (the weeds) that causes sin and all who do evil
v.42 … the angels will throw them (the weeds) into the fiery furnace
 
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well, if the angels remove " all who do evil" then we will all burn together, because when you consider what James said, knowing to do good and not doing so, then all off us will be removed, because no one keeps that standard 24-7. not even you.
 
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ZacharyB said:
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John 3 (NKJV)
[SUP]3[/SUP] “Most assuredly, I say to you,
unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
[SUP]5[/SUP] “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit,
he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6[/SUP] That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

John 3 (NLT)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]“I tell you the truth,
unless you are born again, you cannot see the Kingdom of God.”
[SUP]5 [/SUP]“I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life.

John 3 (TLB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]“With all the earnestness I possess I tell you this:
Unless you are born again, you can never get into the Kingdom of God.”
[SUP]5 [/SUP]“What I am telling you so earnestly is this:
Unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Men can only reproduce human life, but the Holy Spirit gives new life from heaven

(From the above) Jesus says:
Everyone in the kingdom of God has been born-again!

Matthew 13 (NLT) • Jesus’ Explanation of His Parable of the Wheat and Weeds
[SUP]37 [/SUP]The Son of Man is the farmer who plants the good seed.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]The field is the world, and the good seed represents the people of the Kingdom.
The weeds are the people who belong to the evil one.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]The enemy who planted the weeds among the wheat is the devil.
The harvest is the end of the world, and the harvesters are the angels.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]Just as the weeds are sorted out and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the world.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]The Son of Man will send his angels, and
they will remove from his Kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.
[SUP]42 [/SUP]And the angels will throw them into the fiery furnace,
where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

The NASB states the underlined like this:
[SUP]41[/SUP] “they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks,
and those who commit lawlessness”

The Amplified Bible (2015 edition) states the underlined like this:
[SUP]41[/SUP] “they will gather out of His kingdom all causes of offense
[persons by whom others are drawn into error or sin]
and all who do iniquity and act wickedly”

The Kingdom of God has both Good and Bad seeds planted in it.
Everyone in the kingdom of God has been born-again.
What happens to the 2 types of born-again people in the Kingdom?

v.38 … the good seed represents the people that Jesus planted in the Kingdom
v.39 … the weeds were planted among the wheat by the enemy, the devil
v.40 … the weeds are sorted out and burned in the fire
v.41 … the angels will remove everything (the weeds) that causes sin and all who do evil
v.42 … the angels will throw them (the weeds) into the fiery furnace
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You think so zach? Did it ever occur to you to look up that small little word in the verse, "unless?" The title of your thread contradicts John 3:5, based on the definition of the word "unless." It means, "Used to say that something will happen or be true if something else does not happen or is not true." You need to get your head out of the "weeds?" :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
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I'm confused, are you attempting to separate the wheat from the tares with this OP?
 
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Quite a lack of responses from the grace-only OSAS crowd.

There are other obvious NT proofs against this grievous error.
 
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There is no need to refute this foolishness as the error of it is so obvious. It's like saying that God is really working for the devil. Who in the world would believe that nonsense?

Born-again believers in Christ are no more going to hell than Daffy Duck and Donald Duck are the 2 witnesses in the book of Revelation...it's all "quackery"..:rolleyes:
 
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ZacharyB said:
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John 3 (NKJV)
[SUP]3[/SUP] “Most assuredly, I say to you,
unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
[SUP]5[/SUP] “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit,
he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6[/SUP] That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

John 3 (NLT)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]“I tell you the truth,
unless you are born again, you cannot see the Kingdom of God.”
[SUP]5 [/SUP]“I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life.

John 3 (TLB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]“With all the earnestness I possess I tell you this:
Unless you are born again, you can never get into the Kingdom of God.”
[SUP]5 [/SUP]“What I am telling you so earnestly is this:
Unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Men can only reproduce human life, but the Holy Spirit gives new life from heaven

(From the above) Jesus says:
Everyone in the kingdom of God has been born-again!

Matthew 13 (NLT) • Jesus’ Explanation of His Parable of the Wheat and Weeds
[SUP]37 [/SUP]The Son of Man is the farmer who plants the good seed.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]The field is the world, and the good seed represents the people of the Kingdom.
The weeds are the people who belong to the evil one.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]The enemy who planted the weeds among the wheat is the devil.
The harvest is the end of the world, and the harvesters are the angels.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]Just as the weeds are sorted out and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the world.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]The Son of Man will send his angels, and
they will remove from his Kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.
[SUP]42 [/SUP]And the angels will throw them into the fiery furnace,
where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

The NASB states the underlined like this:
[SUP]41[/SUP] “they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks,
and those who commit lawlessness”

The Amplified Bible (2015 edition) states the underlined like this:
[SUP]41[/SUP] “they will gather out of His kingdom all causes of offense
[persons by whom others are drawn into error or sin]
and all who do iniquity and act wickedly”

The Kingdom of God has both Good and Bad seeds planted in it.
Everyone in the kingdom of God has been born-again.
What happens to the 2 types of born-again people in the Kingdom?

v.38 … the good seed represents the people that Jesus planted in the Kingdom
v.39 … the weeds were planted among the wheat by the enemy, the devil
v.40 … the weeds are sorted out and burned in the fire
v.41 … the angels will remove everything (the weeds) that causes sin and all who do evil
v.42 … the angels will throw them (the weeds) into the fiery furnace
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Is the world the kingdom of God??
 
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ZacharyB said:
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Quite a lack of responses from the grace-only OSAS crowd.

There are other obvious NT proofs against this grievous error.
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I wonder why? And btw, the "grievous error" is your misunderstanding of what the difference is between the "weeds/tares" and what makes the wheat the wheat? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
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ZacharyB said:
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John 3 (NKJV)
[SUP]3[/SUP] “Most assuredly, I say to you,
unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
[SUP]5[/SUP] “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit,
he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6[/SUP] That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

John 3 (NLT)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]“I tell you the truth,
unless you are born again, you cannot see the Kingdom of God.”
[SUP]5 [/SUP]“I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life.

John 3 (TLB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]“With all the earnestness I possess I tell you this:
Unless you are born again, you can never get into the Kingdom of God.”
[SUP]5 [/SUP]“What I am telling you so earnestly is this:
Unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Men can only reproduce human life, but the Holy Spirit gives new life from heaven

(From the above) Jesus says:
Everyone in the kingdom of God has been born-again!

Matthew 13 (NLT) • Jesus’ Explanation of His Parable of the Wheat and Weeds
[SUP]37 [/SUP]The Son of Man is the farmer who plants the good seed.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]The field is the world, and the good seed represents the people of the Kingdom.
The weeds are the people who belong to the evil one.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]The enemy who planted the weeds among the wheat is the devil.
The harvest is the end of the world, and the harvesters are the angels.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]Just as the weeds are sorted out and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the world.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]The Son of Man will send his angels, and
they will remove from his Kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.
[SUP]42 [/SUP]And the angels will throw them into the fiery furnace,
where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

The NASB states the underlined like this:
[SUP]41[/SUP] “they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks,
and those who commit lawlessness”

The Amplified Bible (2015 edition) states the underlined like this:
[SUP]41[/SUP] “they will gather out of His kingdom all causes of offense
[persons by whom others are drawn into error or sin]
and all who do iniquity and act wickedly”

The Kingdom of God has both Good and Bad seeds planted in it.
Everyone in the kingdom of God has been born-again.
What happens to the 2 types of born-again people in the Kingdom?

v.38 … the good seed represents the people that Jesus planted in the Kingdom
v.39 … the weeds were planted among the wheat by the enemy, the devil
v.40 … the weeds are sorted out and burned in the fire
v.41 … the angels will remove everything (the weeds) that causes sin and all who do evil
v.42 … the angels will throw them (the weeds) into the fiery furnace
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Well John 3 is about Jesus talking with a Pharisee who came to talk with Jesus in the night. This is what has happened to scripture the adding of verse numbers has in powered advance theories in its meaning when really people just need to read the whole chapter or paragraphs when the rest of the paragraph is read, who has the spirit can be bit of a mystery like the wind.


John 3: 7-8
7 Do not be amazed that I said, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes. You hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
 
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ZacharyB said:
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John 3 (NKJV)
[SUP]3[/SUP] “Most assuredly, I say to you,
unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
[SUP]5[/SUP] “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit,
he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6[/SUP] That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

John 3 (NLT)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]“I tell you the truth,
unless you are born again, you cannot see the Kingdom of God.”
[SUP]5 [/SUP]“I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life.

John 3 (TLB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]“With all the earnestness I possess I tell you this:
Unless you are born again, you can never get into the Kingdom of God.”
[SUP]5 [/SUP]“What I am telling you so earnestly is this:
Unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Men can only reproduce human life, but the Holy Spirit gives new life from heaven

(From the above) Jesus says:
Everyone in the kingdom of God has been born-again!

Matthew 13 (NLT) • Jesus’ Explanation of His Parable of the Wheat and Weeds
[SUP]37 [/SUP]The Son of Man is the farmer who plants the good seed.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]The field is the world, and the good seed represents the people of the Kingdom.
The weeds are the people who belong to the evil one.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]The enemy who planted the weeds among the wheat is the devil.
The harvest is the end of the world, and the harvesters are the angels.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]Just as the weeds are sorted out and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the world.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]The Son of Man will send his angels, and
they will remove from his Kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.
[SUP]42 [/SUP]And the angels will throw them into the fiery furnace,
where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

The NASB states the underlined like this:
[SUP]41[/SUP] “they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks,
and those who commit lawlessness”

The Amplified Bible (2015 edition) states the underlined like this:
[SUP]41[/SUP] “they will gather out of His kingdom all causes of offense
[persons by whom others are drawn into error or sin]
and all who do iniquity and act wickedly”

The Kingdom of God has both Good and Bad seeds planted in it.
Everyone in the kingdom of God has been born-again.
What happens to the 2 types of born-again people in the Kingdom?

v.38 … the good seed represents the people that Jesus planted in the Kingdom
v.39 … the weeds were planted among the wheat by the enemy, the devil
v.40 … the weeds are sorted out and burned in the fire
v.41 … the angels will remove everything (the weeds) that causes sin and all who do evil
v.42 … the angels will throw them (the weeds) into the fiery furnace
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A tare is a particular kind of weed that grew in the middle east with the wheat. It looks just like their wheat. It grows just like their wheat. And it is poisonous enough to make you sick.

The only way to tell the difference is the winnowing process. The tare acts differently than the wheat then. (I don't remember if it was lighter or heavier, but it did something different that the wheat.) That's when the tare is separated. At the harvest. Just like the sheep and goats. Just like the final judgement.

So, no. Honest. The tare ain't wheat. It just seems to be wheat, but God knows how to tell the difference.

Here's a thought. How many people on this site are tare, but think they're wheat because they hang around wheat?

And, no. That's not a point where anyone takes off to judge "them." It's something to consider about for ourselves/me. Not like tare has personal knowledge its not wheat either.
 
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ZacharyB said:
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Quite a lack of responses from the grace-only OSAS crowd.

There are other obvious NT proofs against this grievous error.
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Oh my! You really have already set yourself up as judge and jury. I was unaware that God set you apart to judge according to your personal-preference-doctrine.

(You're not even aware that you proved nothing, are you?)
 
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Mt 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

This is one of the few times that application of this verse is appropriate.

You cannot judge another persons salvation. To measure another by what is in your own heart is self condemnation. All men will be judged according to Gods word not the assessments of other men.

For the cause of Christ
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Oh my! You really have already set yourself up as judge and jury. I was unaware that God set you apart to judge according to your personal-preference-doctrine.

(You're not even aware that you proved nothing, are you?)
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That old saying let a sleeping dog lye, some people try to pick out the tares from the wheat and it's not our
Responsibility to do so.


The Parable of the Net

47Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet that was cast into the sea and caught fish of every kind. 48When it was full, the men pulled it ashore. Then they sat down and sorted the good fish into containers, but threw the bad away.

49So will it be at the end of the age: The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous, 50and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
51Have you understood all these things?”

“Yes,” they answered.

52Then He told them, “For this reason, every scribe who has been discipled in the kingdom of heaven is like a homeowner who brings out of his storeroom new treasures as well as old"
 
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notuptome said:
Mt 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

This is one of the few times that application of this verse is appropriate.

You cannot judge another persons salvation. To measure another by what is in your own heart is self condemnation. All men will be judged according to Gods word not the assessments of other men.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Good post reminded of what Jesus did when Satan tryed to tempt Him with quoting two verses out of context.
 
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Zach, Why do you constantly like posting about Christians going to hell? Is this all you think about?
 
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If this were possible that tares could be born again, then it would be what Paul called false brethren. Those who tried to bring others back into bondage through laws.
 
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Zachary there is a reason that teachers do not teach until after a very long time of gaining understanding in the subject they want to teach. Your title shows your lack of understanding in this matter, the weeds are not born again they are the ones who claim to be Christian but are Christian by title only not but heart instead of giving hope love and shining the heart of God and instead of their words encouraging building and leading the body to God they sap hope they show no love and shine only the light of their father which is not God their words do not uplift build or encourage rather they point they declare holier than thou the bring down others and lead people away from God.

You are right about one thing though, there is a time coming and is here at our door when the wheat and the tares will be separated and divided seen clearly for what and who they are for who and what they stand for but we must all searchy our hearts and ask ourselves are we the wheat or the tares? do we appear as wheat yet only sap life? what are our words for? what effect do they have on people day to day and when we look into the deepest realm of our own hearts can we honrstly say that we are love?
 
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Blain said:
Zachary there is a reason that teachers do not teach until after a very long time of gaining understanding in the subject they want to teach. Your title shows your lack of understanding in this matter, the weeds are not born again they are the ones who claim to be Christian but are Christian by title only not but heart instead of giving hope love and shining the heart of God and instead of their words encouraging building and leading the body to God they sap hope they show no love and shine only the light of their father which is not God their words do not uplift build or encourage rather they point they declare holier than thou the bring down others and lead people away from God.

You are right about one thing though, there is a time coming and is here at our door when the wheat and the tares will be separated and divided seen clearly for what and who they are for who and what they stand for but we must all searchy our hearts and ask ourselves are we the wheat or the tares? do we appear as wheat yet only sap life? what are our words for? what effect do they have on people day to day and when we look into the deepest realm of our own hearts can we honrstly say that we are love?
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Good post if could add one thing I'd say that Love is also forgiving when others make mistakes rather it be of scripture knowledge or not.. If I'm wrong about something and I'm aware of it then I will humble myself and say I'm wrong your correct... Sometimes it may take a few hours, days or more to come to my senses..
 
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So, no. Honest. The tare ain't wheat.
It just seems to be wheat, but God knows how to tell the difference.
Here's a thought. How many people on this site are tare,
but think they're wheat because they hang around wheat?
And, no. That's not a point where anyone takes off to judge "them."
It's something to consider about for ourselves/me.
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Yes, the purpose of this thread is just another warning!

Consider whether you are a stalk of wheat or a weed (i.e. a phony look-a-like).

God's warnings are not personal ... they don't judge individuals.
They are general warnings to those who think they are God's children, but really ain't.
And the tares (weeds) do not like them one little bit.

So, just who in the Kingdom of God (heaven) are going to be thrown into the fire?
 
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