Christmas Trees Are not Pagan

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this is the start of the 14th

1Co 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you,
That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
1Co 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat:
this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.


1Co 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped,
saying, This cup is the [new testament] in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it,
in remembrance of me.

referring back to this...

Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat
this [passover with you] before I suffer: For I say unto you, I will not
any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.

Luk 22:17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said,
Take this, and divide it among yourselves:

Luk 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine,
until the kingdom of God shall come.

Luk 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them,
saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

Luk 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying,
This cup is [the new testament] in my blood, which is shed for you.


Do what in remembrance of me? They were taking the Passover.
Jesus changed the symbles of the passover only, did not do away with it.

The Passover service also consists of the foot washing...

Joh 13:12 So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments,
and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?
Joh 13:13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
Joh 13:14 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet;
ye also ought to wash one another's feet.

Joh 13:15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.
Joh 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord;
neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.

Joh 13:17 If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.
and then Paul says this...

1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth
the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump,
as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep [the feast],
not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness;
but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

And he said that to a Gentile church, to keep the feast of unleavened bread.


Acts 12:3 (KJV)
And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also.
(Then were the days of unleavened bread.)

Acts 20:6 (KJV)
And we sailed away from Philippi after (the days of unleavened bread),
and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days.


Nowhere is [christmas] or a Sunday morning Ishtar sunrise service taught in scripture
but the Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread are taught.


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The first passover was when God covered Adams nakedness[type of sin]
with skins from an animal, shead blood.

the Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread was a memorial,
ordained forever, before one word of the old covenent was spoken
 
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RestingInJesus said:
I found as a former Armstrongite that the leader was taking funds meant for widows
and orphans and spending the funds on things like a corporate jet at $16.5 million dollars
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those are very serious allegations, attack on former church. care to share your notes on this?
seems also you clumped Herbert Armstrong right up with some other person and church.


what I have read, that he was 'an Ambassador to world peace" - why steel ?
https://www.thetrumpet.com/search?q=Ambassador+of+peace&x&y&page=1

please read some of those links above to see if a jet was needed for travel.
also to see some personel caracter references of his are legit.

seems also all there material where always given away free, everyone else sells theres.
If they stolled and cheated [you would] be able to produce evedence to it?


can you ?
 
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Grandpa said:
I guess I better stop doing that too.

Do you think there is a meeting place we can go to like AA or something for this?

Christmas Tree Anonymous. We could encourage each other. Hi I'm Grandpa, its been 325 days since my last Christmas tree worship....

Or maybe just one general one for all things pagan. Should we make a list or something?
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If we took our pagan ways out of the accepted modern living, it would be a major turnaround! It would be like is explained in the first chapters of Acts. The church would take on tremendous power. The repair of our broken families would be just one small change.

Think of what we read in the OT when the saints accepted pagan ways. Most of their ways are really fun, like Halloween, New Years Eve, and just think of the movies, TV, and books they have. It would be like taking away the fleshly highs and replacing it with joy, peace, contentment, and family solidarity.

In order to learn what it was like when people lived like that I had to learn from people who studied orthodox Jews--Christians never have tried. When they tossed the culture of Jews, they also tossed the spiritual ways of God.

A most interesting book is explaining the effect of the Jews on the world in the dark ages. Keeping the commands of God to use physical symbols to remind people of spiritual truths does not have a bad effect, I found, unless they were accepted as completing obedience rather than a crutch to help them remember.

I am NOT suggesting we change our diet and get circumcised. It is said that obeying our instructions to celebrate the feasts is the same as those instructions, but they are not. We are not told to celebrate Easter and Christmas, but we are told to celebrate the feasts by our God. And the God who created us is our God, not one who only created Jews.
 
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Blik said:
If we took our pagan ways out of the accepted modern living, it would be a major turnaround! It would be like is explained in the first chapters of Acts. The church would take on tremendous power. The repair of our broken families would be just one small change.

Think of what we read in the OT when the saints accepted pagan ways. Most of their ways are really fun, like Halloween, New Years Eve, and just think of the movies, TV, and books they have. It would be like taking away the fleshly highs and replacing it with joy, peace, contentment, and family solidarity.

In order to learn what it was like when people lived like that I had to learn from people who studied orthodox Jews--Christians never have tried. When they tossed the culture of Jews, they also tossed the spiritual ways of God.

A most interesting book is explaining the effect of the Jews on the world in the dark ages. Keeping the commands of God to use physical symbols to remind people of spiritual truths does not have a bad effect, I found, unless they were accepted as completing obedience rather than a crutch to help them remember.

I am NOT suggesting we change our diet and get circumcised. It is said that obeying our instructions to celebrate the feasts is the same as those instructions, but they are not. We are not told to celebrate Easter and Christmas, but we are told to celebrate the feasts by our God. And the God who created us is our God, not one who only created Jews.
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As a Christian, we can certainly learn a lot from studying Jewish history and culture.

We should definitely do that.

However, I wouldn't be so quick to embrace everything in the culture of Orthodox Jews.
- Orthodox Jews rely heavily on the Talmud, which is HEAVILY INFLUENCED BY BABYLONIAN RELIGIONS AND PAGANISM.
- Also, Orthodox Jews do NOT put the Old Testament at the pinnacle of their beliefs, but rather, they actually give preeminence to the Talmud in their actual practices.

So, we can certainly learn a lot from Jewish history and culture, and SHOULD study Jewish history and culture... but it isn't going to be devoid of pagan influence.

God did not send Titus in 70 AD to destroy their temple because they were doing everything RIGHT.



The Karaite Jews, who believe only the Old Testament, and NOT the Talmud, are probably a more pure form of Judaism than what we call "Orthdox Jews".
It's something very interesting to check into.
 
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Here's another debate by Michael of InspiringPhilosophy and a Hebrew Roots guy..I'll let you decide who sounds the most ridiculous:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnTmOOgpYF8

Again, the sources that are quoted by Armstrongites and Hebrew Roots people are simply based on their own eisegesis, aided by their friend Alexander Hislop as represented in Two Babylons.

I used to believe foolishness like those guys teach. Armstrong with his shaking jowls and convincing rhetoric was enough to fool this 22 year old. Don't be fooled yourself.
 
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