Christmas Trees Are not Pagan

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RestingInJesus

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Here's a good video concerning the evangelical response of those who claim that Jeremiah 10 refers to Christmas trees.

This youtube channel, InspiringPhilosophy, is creating a set of videos debunking the claim, commonly made by Armstrongites and Hebrew Roots Movement types, that Christians are neo-pagans. Usually, they are making this assertion to build up their own faulty world views.

Enjoy, and also check back for InspiringPhilosophy's addition to this anti-holiday series.

I used to be an ignorant Armstrongite that believed these sorts of things:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca_Yx3aMCiE

:)

Most of this stuff comes from Alexander Hislop's Two Babylons and the writings of Jacob Grimm.
 
RestingInJesus

RestingInJesus

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By the way, some of the Hebrew Roots Movement founders are former Armstrongites, so it is not surprising that their views are similar in this respect.

It's also interesting to note that both groups form an alliance with atheists when they are attempting to make claims in regards to the observance of Christmas and Easter.

Another common claim is that Christmas is really worship of a Sun god.

In my opinion, it is much more likely that the reason Christmas was instituted is to counteract the Arian claim that Jesus was less than God. Christmas reinforces the concept that Jesus is fully God, and focuses on the miracle of the Incarnation..that God became man, dwelt among us, and reconciled us to Himself through the atonement.
 
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BeyondET

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That's just another interpretation for I can easily say with truth that a axe is a axe and it takes a bit of craftsmenship welding it and the person who knows how to cut down a tree properly, for if the tree is not cut properly it can fall on the person who is cutting down the tree.
 
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LaurenTM

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RestingInJesus said:
By the way, some of the Hebrew Roots Movement founders are former Armstrongites, so it is not surprising that their views are similar in this respect.

It's also interesting to note that both groups form an alliance with atheists when they are attempting to make claims in regards to the observance of Christmas and Easter.

Another common claim is that Christmas is really worship of a Sun god.

In my opinion, it is much more likely that the reason Christmas was instituted is to counteract the Arian claim that Jesus was less than God. Christmas reinforces the concept that Jesus is fully God, and focuses on the miracle of the Incarnation..that God became man, dwelt among us, and reconciled us to Himself through the atonement.
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hi Resting~

hope you are wearing your armor...depends on who responds I guess.......
 
Blain

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I fail to see how a Christmas tree itself is pagan or even decorating one for that matter, something only has power if you give it power a gun does not kill people kill money is not evil people are evil and a tree is not pagan people are pagan
 
blue_ladybug

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Stealing presents is pagan.. just saying..lol.. ChristmasTree.gif
 
Yonah

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I don't really see the purpose in making and issue of this, unless of course someone has an axe to grind... the whole christmass is pagan thing I don't agree with anyway, an explanation for that can be given by me if it is asked for, For many this time of year is holy to them and it has nothing to do with the worship of other gods, but rather a time of cellibration and gathering of family and friends, there are parts of it I don't agree with, but that is my choice and I never would presume to convince others of anything in this area, not my place... not even my desire, each should serve Him according to the light they have, and not base their beliefs on others experiances or beliefs but prayerfully and humbly seek to be closer in living relationship to our Savior, there are many times I thought id found the truth about certain things but later learned I was in error... its part of the process. However for one to point the finger at others and tell them they are in error for observing certain days is against scripture, that's not our place, but rather pray and seek the face of the Almighty on behalf of those you see as in some kind of error, you may be surprised at what he shows you.
 
Blain

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when December comes around some only see pagan in everything all I see is the Christmas spirit.
What I love about Christmas time is not the presents or the Christmas tree or the Christmas jingles and cookies what I love about it is that sense of wonder that child like joy that fills you up when december comes around the abnormal happiness and generosity and cheerfulness you see in people the rosy cheeks and worn out face muscles from all the smiling not smiling just to smile but smiles that come from the heart the warmth that fills you up when you see everyone excited and getting everything ready for Christmas day

If there was any season in which the spirit and heart of God makes it's appearance the most it would be Christmas at least this is what I see but everyone sees with different eyes
 
Blain

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to this day the Christmas spirit is a mystery that alludes me, even though I have the holy spirit and I have joy and meanng in Christ there is something about the Christmas spirit that entices my soul it draws me near it I sense beauty and wonder that I never know every other day of the year a if a part of God I have yet to truly discover
 
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BeyondET

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RestingInJesus said:
Here's a good video concerning the evangelical response of those who claim that Jeremiah 10 refers to Christmas trees.

This youtube channel, InspiringPhilosophy, is creating a set of videos debunking the claim, commonly made by Armstrongites and Hebrew Roots Movement types, that Christians are neo-pagans. Usually, they are making this assertion to build up their own faulty world views.

Enjoy, and also check back for InspiringPhilosophy's addition to this anti-holiday series.

I used to be an ignorant Armstrongite that believed these sorts of things:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca_Yx3aMCiE

:)

Most of this stuff comes from Alexander Hislop's Two Babylons and the writings of Jacob Grimm.
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I've seen that dude in the video do other interpretations as well, and it seems as if He thinks that every sentence in the bible has some kind of double meaning to them...
 
Demi777

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If Christmas trees arent pagan, then this is not a chicken
 
Blain

Blain

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Demi777 said:
If Christmas trees arent pagan, then this is not a chicken
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Rock a dooodle doo it's not thanksgiving merry Christmas says the turkey
 
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BeyondET

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Here's some truth, no one knows the exact date Jesus was born, I mean what is the date between 1 BC and 1 AD how many years did Jesus live were are these yrs calculated in time. Satans whole purpose is to get people to turn away from Jesus ever being born by any means necessary..
 
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RestingInJesus said:
Here's a good video concerning the evangelical response of those who claim that Jeremiah 10 refers to Christmas trees.

This youtube channel, InspiringPhilosophy, is creating a set of videos debunking the claim, commonly made by Armstrongites and Hebrew Roots Movement types, that Christians are neo-pagans. Usually, they are making this assertion to build up their own faulty world views.

Enjoy, and also check back for InspiringPhilosophy's addition to this anti-holiday series.

I used to be an ignorant Armstrongite that believed these sorts of things:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca_Yx3aMCiE

:)

Most of this stuff comes from Alexander Hislop's Two Babylons and the writings of Jacob Grimm.
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Haha that's as bad as my parents saying God is leading them in decorations arrangement with their pagan tree they worship under. Bad enough its in the lounge
 
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so what is Jeremiah 10 talking about if nothing to do with Christmas trees?
 
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so what is Jeremiah 10 talking about if nothing to do with Christmas trees?
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Man-made idols that aren't trees. You really have to twist that passage into knots to make it sound even half-way plausible.
 
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Man-made idols that aren't trees. You really have to twist that passage into knots to make it sound even half-way plausible.
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10 Hear the word that the Lord speaks to you, O house of Israel. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Thus says the Lord:
“Learn not the way of the nations,
nor be dismayed at the signs of the heavens
because the nations are dismayed at them,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]for the customs of the peoples are vanity.[SUP][a][/SUP]
A tree from the forest is cut down
and worked with an axe by the hands of a craftsman.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]They decorate it with silver and gold;
they fasten it with hammer and nails
so that it cannot move.

Christmas is honoring the the birth of Jesus. the bible tells us all about His birth but the tree is not part of the story. that custom is of the nations.
Christmas today is about how much can you spend and the more you love them the more money you spend.
and Christmas trees are cut down, decorated, and fasten to a stand so they can not move.

the majority that celebrate Christmas today dont do it for Jesus, they do it for themselves.

the nations, vanity, decorated tree, the passage seems pretty spot on to me.
 
p_rehbein

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God the Son took upon Himself the form of man, and came to earth to establish God the Father's salvation plan for all mankind. His birth is prophesied of in Scripture. His birth was the fulfillment of those prophesies. As well, His birth was celebrated, and this also is recorded in Scripture.

Therefor, the celebration of the birth of our Lord and Savior, in and of itself, is not pagan. I know this because if it were, God would not have allowed the Angels to Herald the Good News, the shepherds and those guys who came from far away to recognize and celebrate His birth.

It is true that we do not know the exact date of His birth. Many Scholars have used many different formulas and Historical Records to determine what they believe was His exact date of birth, but none have been unequivocally proven to be fact. Because of the problem the Church elders encountered with their congregations who were celebrating the pagan festival that took place on December 25th, they chose to make that day the day they would celebrate the birth of our Lord and Savior (as I understand how it came to be). This allowed the believers (at that time) to have their own celebration festival, and that celebration festival was surely one worthy of celebrating! Pretty good idea they had if you ask me. :)

So, what remains is............is one choosing to celebrate the birth of our Lord and Savior, whose birth was prophesied of, and celebrated, both of which are recorded in Scripture, on a particular day pagan? Not in my opinion. Some will, and do, argue........we should celebrate Him all year long. Well yes, and we (well, I) do! But I don't celebrate His birth all year long. On Resurrection Sunday, I celebrate His completed work of establishing God the Father's salvation plan, and His death, burial and resurrection, and that HE LIVES! As well, I celebrate His teachings concerning Communion and Feet Washing, as well as water baptism. We (well, again, I) don't celebrate these things all year long.

What I celebrate all year long is His saving grace!

Given this, I am left to conclude, that my celebration of the birth of my Lord and Savior on a particular day is not pagan. And, to be truthful, and not meaning to offend, I am a wee bit tired of people trying to tell me I am pagan for celebrating the birth of my Lord and Savior. People can do as they wish, but they need to keep their noses outta my CELEBRATION!

:)



HAPPY BIRTHDAY JESUS!

MERRY CHRISTMAS Y'ALL!

 
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