FAITH IS ACTIVE
- Thread starter 88
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
James and paul are both referring to abrams encounter with God. One thing about abram, even before He was credited with righteousness, He heard Gods word, and didnt stay put, God said Go, abram went and later He is called righteous because He believes Gods word, then after, He still obeys what God says to do. i think the point is true Belief will obey, so our faith has to Grow until it begins to move,Doubt in the word is our enemy, confidence in the word our advocate. confidence understands God said this it is true. doubt comes from " did God really say that?"
john 17:13-16 "And now come I to thee; and these things I SPEAK IN THE WORLD, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. 14I HAVE GIVEN THEM THY WORD; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17Sanctify them through THY TRUTH: THY WORD IS TRUTH. "
Jesus gave Gods word to the world whiole he was in the world. Faith comes from Hearing Jesus and as it grows it sees " do these things do not only hear them, you must do them" and Because Jesus did what He did for us out of Love Grown faith acts upon His word
romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
john 17:13-16 "And now come I to thee; and these things I SPEAK IN THE WORLD, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. 14I HAVE GIVEN THEM THY WORD; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17Sanctify them through THY TRUTH: THY WORD IS TRUTH. "
Jesus gave Gods word to the world whiole he was in the world. Faith comes from Hearing Jesus and as it grows it sees " do these things do not only hear them, you must do them" and Because Jesus did what He did for us out of Love Grown faith acts upon His word
romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Surprisingly this is incorrect. They (the Apostle Paul and James) are not referring to the same event in Abraham's life. In Romans 4 it is speaking of God crediting Abraham's faith as righteousness when Abraham believed God concerning the promise.
Romans 4:20-25 King James Version (KJV)
20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
James is referring to Abraham sacrificing his son Isaac.
James 2:21King James Version (KJV)
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Yes, obedience is part of our walk of faith and who better to lead us than God who knows all things?
Romans 4:20-25 King James Version (KJV)
20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
James is referring to Abraham sacrificing his son Isaac.
James 2:21King James Version (KJV)
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Yes, obedience is part of our walk of faith and who better to lead us than God who knows all things?
Ben, lol, they are both speaking of abraham and faith is the point. my point ( which you, or no one else Has to agree with) is the subject that both are speaking about which is "was abraham justified by works, or by Faith" my point is that before He was credited with righteousness because of His belief, He heard God and didnt doubt what God said to Him.
Genesis 12:1-4 "Now the LORD had SAID UNTO ABRAM, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:2And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:3And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
SO ABRAM DEPARTED, AS THE LORD HAD SPOKEN UNTO HIM; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran."
i understand what you are saying my point is different though, doesnt make yours invalid, im saying "One thing about abraham is that from the time He heard Gods word He obeyed it. Later here
Genesis 15:6 "And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness. "
this is my point, abram obeyed God before He was credited with righteousness...SO JUST OBEYING, DOESNT MAKE US RIGHTEOUS. it is based on Gods word of things. Like the law, obeying the mosaic Law, doesnt make a person Rightoeus, Has to be based on Gods Word ( Jesus)
it wasnt a doctrine or anything Just a point to consider. Faith has to first be spoken By God, rather than obeying unto righteousness is my point otherwise the Law would have workes fine and Jesus wouldnt have had to suffer to bring the faith covenant into effect.
Genesis 12:1-4 "Now the LORD had SAID UNTO ABRAM, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:2And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:3And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
SO ABRAM DEPARTED, AS THE LORD HAD SPOKEN UNTO HIM; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran."
i understand what you are saying my point is different though, doesnt make yours invalid, im saying "One thing about abraham is that from the time He heard Gods word He obeyed it. Later here
Genesis 15:6 "And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness. "
this is my point, abram obeyed God before He was credited with righteousness...SO JUST OBEYING, DOESNT MAKE US RIGHTEOUS. it is based on Gods word of things. Like the law, obeying the mosaic Law, doesnt make a person Rightoeus, Has to be based on Gods Word ( Jesus)
it wasnt a doctrine or anything Just a point to consider. Faith has to first be spoken By God, rather than obeying unto righteousness is my point otherwise the Law would have workes fine and Jesus wouldnt have had to suffer to bring the faith covenant into effect.
good stuff though, no offense or anything, sometimes wording gets in the wa of a point. when i said "encounter" I suppose you heard "event" doesnt mean were in disagreement though. to me abram encountered God in ch 12 and still has yet to encounter Him a second time if that makes sense " I will be with you always never leave nor forsake you" kind of thinking in my head is why it was worded " encounter"
That's a wee bit nit picking methinks.........just saying
The woman who touched the hem of Christ's garment displayed her faith. Now one can say that her faith initiated her action, but, then to me that means faith is active, or acting in such a way as to exhibit that one believes something will happen. Hair splitting is ok............but it is a wee bit nick picking.
Not looking to argue though.........
The woman who touched the hem of Christ's garment displayed her faith. Now one can say that her faith initiated her action, but, then to me that means faith is active, or acting in such a way as to exhibit that one believes something will happen. Hair splitting is ok............but it is a wee bit nick picking.
Not looking to argue though.........
"The thought", as you say, is spiritual, and spiritual is active- it is what drives us to do what we do - whether good or bad. Someone can say that they would help the needy, yet not actually do it when given the chance- such as the priest in the Good Samaritan scenario. Another can claim the same, yet live where there are no neighbors, only miles of mountains, but actually would help if they were in that situation. You see, the physical action is only the proof of the active heart (effort is the evidence of love), but love can exist without evidence. But if love/faith is truly alive and active, it will respond in action when in the situation.
Faith causes us to respond. For example, why press your foot on the brake pedal of your car, unless you first believe that it will cause the car to stop? BUT only believing that pressing your foot against the pedal will cause it to stop WILL NOT MAKE IT STOP. This is a dead faith- because you stopped the response. If you see someone with their hands full, you respond by opening the door for them- your response is evidence that love for your neighbor is alive and active in your heart. But without the evidence, without that person there that needed help with the door, your love was alive and active without evidence. But putting a active love in the situation WILL cause you to physically act as well. But the physical action is only the proof of what is already active inside (spiritually).
Faith is belief in God, but it is only a dead faith if it doesn't cause you to respond to Him with obedience. You see, through my study of the Bible, I've recognized that God uses estimates. For example, He says that one man pretends he has great wealth, but has nothing, and another man pretends to be poor but has great wealth. Obviously the poor man had some, otherwise he wouldn't be fed, clothed, housed, or alive. And God estimates a dead faith as having no faith at all. Even demons believe in God, but they don't act on that faith, because their hearts are dead. Whether physically speaking, or spiritually speaking, life is active, death is inactive. Faith is active, otherwise it's dead- which is no faith at all (estimated). Love is active, otherwise it's dead. Anything spiritual-life is active.
Faith causes us to respond. For example, why press your foot on the brake pedal of your car, unless you first believe that it will cause the car to stop? BUT only believing that pressing your foot against the pedal will cause it to stop WILL NOT MAKE IT STOP. This is a dead faith- because you stopped the response. If you see someone with their hands full, you respond by opening the door for them- your response is evidence that love for your neighbor is alive and active in your heart. But without the evidence, without that person there that needed help with the door, your love was alive and active without evidence. But putting a active love in the situation WILL cause you to physically act as well. But the physical action is only the proof of what is already active inside (spiritually).
Faith is belief in God, but it is only a dead faith if it doesn't cause you to respond to Him with obedience. You see, through my study of the Bible, I've recognized that God uses estimates. For example, He says that one man pretends he has great wealth, but has nothing, and another man pretends to be poor but has great wealth. Obviously the poor man had some, otherwise he wouldn't be fed, clothed, housed, or alive. And God estimates a dead faith as having no faith at all. Even demons believe in God, but they don't act on that faith, because their hearts are dead. Whether physically speaking, or spiritually speaking, life is active, death is inactive. Faith is active, otherwise it's dead- which is no faith at all (estimated). Love is active, otherwise it's dead. Anything spiritual-life is active.
Yes,and faith Is active spiritually first and then physically.
+++
John 6:26-29
King James version(KJV)
26.)Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
27.)Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
28.)Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29.)Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
+++
John 6:26-29
King James version(KJV)
26.)Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
27.)Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
28.)Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29.)Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Our faith that we receive of Christ (the faith of God) is not of our selves. In that way it is not passive seeing it was the work of Christ faith as His labor of Love by which he afforded to give His grace. . As far as it not being of our own-selves it is passive. As a requirement we work it out , not work for it. For it is Christ who both will and perform it according to His good pleasure .As a imputed work of faith.
If he has begun his work of faith in us he will finish it to the end.
If he has begun his work of faith in us he will finish it to the end.
Right..... not just who He is, or what He's done, but everything He said, everything He COMMANDED, etc.
For instance, we believe Winstin Churchill was a great man..... therefore everything He said & done is recorded, for it's believed ALL about him is important.
Jesus should be treated far better, don'tcha think?
For instance, we believe Winstin Churchill was a great man..... therefore everything He said & done is recorded, for it's believed ALL about him is important.
Jesus should be treated far better, don'tcha think?
Right..... not just who He is, or what He's done, but everything He said, everything He COMMANDED, etc.
For instance, we believe Winstin Churchill was a great man..... therefore everything He said & done is recorded, for it's believed ALL about him is important.
Jesus should be treated far better, don'tcha think?
For instance, we believe Winstin Churchill was a great man..... therefore everything He said & done is recorded, for it's believed ALL about him is important.
Jesus should be treated far better, don'tcha think?
John 6:63
King James version(KJV)
63.) It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.