Can Every Sin Be Forgiven or Only Unintended ones?

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The other thing about "sanctified" is that the word means "to be set apart for something". All the world is "set apart for the gospel"...but they have to believe it and receive it in order to experience this truth.

In the OT garments were sanctified - priest were sanctified...etc. The word means "set apart".

Here Jesus is talking about gold "being sanctified".

Matthew 23:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] "You fools and blind men! Which is more important, the gold or the temple that sanctified the gold?


Here Paul is speaking about the spouse being "sanctified" or "set apart" because of the believing partner.

1 Corinthians 7:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
 
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You can't be unsaved and sanctified at the same time. Anyone who refuses truth falls into a state of no hope.
If you read the entire chapter, it contrasts the difference between the sacrifices made under the law and the sacrifice of Christ. Verse 23 talks about holding fast the profession of faith without wavering, for He is faithful that promised.

If we sin willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there is no more sacrifice for sins- in other words the writer is telling the Jews "Hey, if you don't accept what Christ did- there's no more sacrifices for you. You can't bring a ram anymore. That's passed away."

verse 16-18 "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these is, THERE IS NO MORE OFFERING FOR SIN"

Where there's life, there's hope. As long as a person is top side of the Earth, he can be saved.
 

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Hebrews 10:26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left
In context one will see that the deliberate sin is going to the law for righteousness. After we have received the good news of the gospel that the sacrifice of Christ is fully sufficient to atone for our sins we are to see that there are no additional sacrifices remaining. Christ has done all that the law required and the Father has accepted His blood as atonement for our sins.

Hebrews is written to Jewish believers who were being taught that they needed to continue the old rituals and sacrifice to atone for their sin even though they knew that Jesus blood was superior to that of bulls and goats. They needed to see the better covenant that Christ has secured in His own blood of which He is Mediator.

For the cause of Christ
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If you read the entire chapter, it contrasts the difference between the sacrifices made under the law and the sacrifice of Christ. Verse 23 talks about holding fast the profession of faith without wavering, for He is faithful that promised.

If we sin willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there is no more sacrifice for sins- in other words the writer is telling the Jews "Hey, if you don't accept what Christ did- there's no more sacrifices for you. You can't bring a ram anymore. That's passed away."

verse 16-18 "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these is, THERE IS NO MORE OFFERING FOR SIN"

Where there's life, there's hope. As long as a person is top side of the Earth, he can be saved.
For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. Hebrews 10:4

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Okay,
I'm just getting a lot of conflicting Bible verses.
For those of you who say this was written for the Jews, would it not apply to Christians?
One important thing to remember about all scripture. All scripture is written "for us" to learn from it but not all scripture is written directly "to us."

Knowing this difference means a lot in interpreting scripture and stops us from getting messed up in our faith.

When Jesus called the Pharisees "Snakes and vipers" - does that mean He is calling His disciples "snakes and vipers too?" Do we read that and say "OH no, am I a snake? - no...you are a beloved child of God and He loves you dearly!"

Don't take someone else's medicine!


Jesus told the disciple to "Go and preach the gospel first in Jerusalem, Judea, then Samaria." Do we do that now? Do we have to go to Jerusalem first in order to preach the gospel? It is a command of Jesus. So, you see we need to see "Who is being talked to" in the scripture first.

Then we need to filter all scriptures through the finished work of Christ on the cross and resurrection or we'll end up mixing up the Old Covenant with the New Covenant and Jesus said we will ruin both. - the wineskin and the wine when we try to put new wine in an old wineskin.
 
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Okay,
I'm just getting a lot of conflicting Bible verses.
For those of you who say this was written for the Jews, would it not apply to Christians?
When reading Scripture, you have to take everything in context- who it is written to, when it was written, and why? Just like Grace 770x77 said, it is to the Jewish believers who are thinking about going back to Judaism. Paul (we think) is writing to them. All scripture is FOR us, but not all TO us. For example, we no longer bring goats to a temple to be sacrificed. So the Levitical laws are not TO us, but Leviticus is still FOR us because we can see pictures of Christ's sacrifice in the sacrifices made in times past.
 
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But all is profitable.. Sometimes you have too wide a window... Christ has finished His work.. We have to be obedient and endure..
One important thing to remember about all scripture. All scripture is written "for us" to learn from it but not all scripture is written directly "to us."

Knowing this difference means a lot in interpreting scripture and stops us from getting messed up in our faith.

When Jesus called the Pharisees "Snakes and vipers" - does that mean He is calling His disciples "snakes and vipers too?" Do we read that and say "OH no, am I a snake? - no...you are a beloved child of God and He loves you dearly!"

Don't take someone else's medicine!


Jesus told the disciple to "Go and preach the gospel first in Jerusalem, Judea, then Samaria." Do we do that now? Do we have to go to Jerusalem first in order to preach the gospel? It is a command of Jesus. So, you see we need to see "Who is being talked to" in the scripture first.

Then we need to filter all scriptures through the finished work of Christ on the cross and resurrection or we'll end up mixing up the Old Covenant with the New Covenant and Jesus said we will ruin both. - the wineskin and the wine when we try to put new wine in an old wineskin.
 
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All ones sin is forgiven because if fellowship was based on our knowledge
Of sin we would have to be perfect before we were forgiven.
So our confession is always partial, but it is the intentions of the heart
God sees. When we arrive we will truly know until then repent and
Confess all the Lord brings to mind, amen
 

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When reading Scripture, you have to take everything in context- who it is written to, when it was written, and why? Just like Grace 770x77 said, it is to the Jewish believers who are thinking about going back to Judaism. Paul (we think) is writing to them. All scripture is FOR us, but not all TO us. For example, we no longer bring goats to a temple to be sacrificed. So the Levitical laws are not TO us, but Leviticus is still FOR us because we can see pictures of Christ's sacrifice in the sacrifices made in times past.
Well, I don't bring goats to a temple to be sacrificed.

I won't attempt to speak for everyone around here.

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Its true either way. You can't refuse correction and claim Christ.. scripture is manifold in meaning.. no sacrifice remains jew or not.. no sacrifice is no sacrifice, applied to all
You're not reading the chapter and what "no more sacrifice for sins" means. It simply means, Christ is IT, you can't bring a goat or lamb anymore.

The Bible has to be read with common sense, like any other book. Cherry picking verses is dangerous. I could cherry pick a passage from Huckleberry Finn and come to the very erroneous conclusion that Mark Twain must be a racist, when in fact, he was the opposite. Everything has to fit in the right context.
 
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Well, I don't bring goats to a temple to be sacrificed.

I won't attempt to speak for everyone around here.

: )
Do you bring a bull instead? :)
 
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We filter based on God never changes, and our perspective is always wrong
until God shows us His. If we dismiss His word we sin. We are called to struggle
to be changed by Him, because we do not see because our hearts are not one
with His.
Only then does it start to be clear. The blind will always be blind until they are
healed and walk with an open heart.



One important thing to remember about all scripture. All scripture is written "for us" to learn from it but not all scripture is written directly "to us."

Knowing this difference means a lot in interpreting scripture and stops us from getting messed up in our faith.

When Jesus called the Pharisees "Snakes and vipers" - does that mean He is calling His disciples "snakes and vipers too?" Do we read that and say "OH no, am I a snake? - no...you are a beloved child of God and He loves you dearly!"

Don't take someone else's medicine!


Jesus told the disciple to "Go and preach the gospel first in Jerusalem, Judea, then Samaria." Do we do that now? Do we have to go to Jerusalem first in order to preach the gospel? It is a command of Jesus. So, you see we need to see "Who is being talked to" in the scripture first.

Then we need to filter all scriptures through the finished work of Christ on the cross and resurrection or we'll end up mixing up the Old Covenant with the New Covenant and Jesus said we will ruin both. - the wineskin and the wine when we try to put new wine in an old wineskin.
 
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maxwel

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Do you bring a bull instead? :)

Well,

it says in 1Coronthians 6:19 that our body is the temple of God's spirit.

So theoretically, I guess I just took a hamburger to the temple.
 
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Hebrews 10:26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left

hebrews 9:15 "And for this cause HE IS THE MEDIATOR of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were UNDER THE FIRST testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance."

every transgression of the old Law of moses is forgiven because Jesus died that sentance. He Jesus. is the mediator of the New and everlasting covenant. Forgiveness is available in the new by learning What Jesus said of forgiveness.

Matthew 6:14-15 "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."

this is what Jesus who is the mediator, the messenger of the new covenant said. The same One who died to forgive the old covenant, put this in Place and said " My words will never pass away"

forgiveness in Christ, is forgiving others when they trespass against us.

Under the old teatament law, forgiveness was "sacrificing a perfect animal, giving it from your own flock to the priest who then killed it and poured its blood out on the altar, thats what Jesus death is all about. we arent judged anymore by what weve done according to the Law of moses, we are judged according to what Jesus who forgave us by His death SAID.

The new covenant is our Law and it is Governed By what Jesus said, Because He suffered for us to justify us according to the Law of moses. Forgive others and we will be forgiven our sins forward, because He forgave our sins behind.
 
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hebrews 9:15 "And for this cause HE IS THE MEDIATOR of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were UNDER THE FIRST testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance."

every transgression of the old Law of moses is forgiven because Jesus died that sentance. He Jesus. is the mediator of the New and everlasting covenant. Forgiveness is available in the new by learning What Jesus said of forgiveness.

Matthew 6:14-15 "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."

this is what Jesus who is the mediator, the messenger of the new covenant said. The same One who died to forgive the old covenant, put this in Place and said " My words will never pass away"

forgiveness in Christ, is forgiving others when they trespass against us.

Under the old teatament law, forgiveness was "sacrificing a perfect animal, giving it from your own flock to the priest who then killed it and poured its blood out on the altar, thats what Jesus death is all about. we arent judged anymore by what weve done according to the Law of moses, we are judged according to what Jesus who forgave us by His death SAID.

The new covenant is our Law and it is Governed By what Jesus said, Because He suffered for us to justify us according to the Law of moses. Forgive others and we will be forgiven our sins forward, because He forgave our sins behind.
Heres a great explaination from Jesus in a parable, if a person takes Jesus word for things Notice the last verse.

Matthew 18:21-35 "Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? 22Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
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Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.24And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents. 25But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made. 26The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. 27Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt. 28But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest. 29And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. 30And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.31So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done. 32Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: 33Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? 34And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. 35So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
 

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In John 20:23 , Jesus tells His disciples, “If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven." The very core of the gospel message is the truth that the way someone has their sins forgiven is by having faith in Jesus Christ as his or her Lord and Savior.

In Acts 10:43-44 , when Peter was sharing the gospel, he said, “Everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”

First John 5:1-5 tells us only he who believes in Jesus will overcome the world.

Luke 5:20 says, “When Jesus saw their faith, He said ‘Friend, your sins are forgiven.’”

Colossians 2:13-14 says Jesus forgave all our sins.

All these passages confirm that Jesus is the one who forgives sin, and He forgives all of our sins. If we have had genuine faith in Him, someone else cannot later decide we are not forgiven one sin or another. So, what exactly did Jesus mean in John 20:23?



Only God can forgive sins, and Christ, being God, has the power to do so as well, but He never communicated any such power to His disciples, nor did they ever assume any such power to themselves. The key to understanding the meaning of John 20:23 lies in the previous two verses: “Again Jesus said, ‘Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.’ And with that he breathed on them and said, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit.’” He sent them, as He is sending us, to bring the good news of the way to salvation and heaven to the whole world. Jesus was leaving the earth physically but promised God would be with them in the person of the Holy Spirit living in them. As they proclaimed the gospel, they could honestly tell people who believed in that message that their sins were forgiven, and they could honestly tell people that did not believe in the message that their sins were not forgiven and that they stand condemned in God’s eyes. Jesus said, “Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him” (John 3:36).

Believers today have the very same mission given to us! We are obligated to share the gospel message, the way to heaven, to others in the world, and we go about that mission with the Holy Spirit living inside us, guiding us as we share His truth. We are obligated to tell people the only way to be forgiven is through faith. Jesus said in
John 8:24, “If you do not believe that I am (God), you will indeed die in your sins.” This is the very core of the gospel message and the very heart of what we are to explain to the world. It was Jesus’ last command to His followers before He physically left the earth—carry forward the message of hope and save as many as will believe in Him.

Jesus preached a crucial message about forgiving our brothers, as God forgave us. We stand in grace, and He expects us to keep our hearts pure toward others, not holding grudges or harboring a spirit of unforgiveness, especially after He gave us such undeserved love and forgiveness at such a high personal cost to Himself! Jesus said those who have been forgiven much, love much (
Luke 7:47). He expects us to forgive others 70 times 7 times (Matthew 18:22). We are also told that if we are praying but hold something against anyone, we are to forgive that person so our relationship with God is right and righteous! Colossians 3:13 says, “Forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.” We know we are His if we love our brothers and don’t hate them or have unforgiveness in our hearts (1 John 2:3-6; 3:14-19; 4:16-21). Forgiveness is a key to showing we indeed have eternal life inside us, according to these passages. If we say we love God but hate our brother, we are liars and no truth is in us. So, our forgiveness of others is a major indicator of true fellowship with God. God looks at the heart and actions, not mere words. Jesus stated while on earth, “These people come near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.” So, it’s important we have a living, genuine faith: “We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers” (1 John 3:14).
https://www.gotquestions.org/John-20-23.html
 
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Hebrews 10:26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left
For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 RSV
 
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For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 RSV

Another contradicting verse lol
 
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Seeing the context and audience helped me with my question, thank you guys
 
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Another contradicting verse lol
Not a contradiction. If I love all of my students, and made up gift bags for Christmas for all of them, and some of them decide not to accept the gift bag- because they don't believe I love them or they don't believe there is anything in the bag, or because they want to work and buy their own presents- it does NOT negate the fact that I love them ALL, even the ornery ones. Even the ones who leave the gift bag and go on their ways.