Can Every Sin Be Forgiven or Only Unintended ones?

TemporaryCircumstances · Dec 10, 2016

Hello sweetie, I was only able to read two replies to your post,
I am sorry you got bullied, it's definitely not cool, I've been there.
Also, I don't believe people were trying to be mean Dear,
I think what they ate trying to say is, Salvation is left in God's hands not the hands of men; if it was no one would be saved or going to heaven.
Hope this helped ♡

Chris2552 · Dec 10, 2016

And again, it wasnt that God gave me authority over them, it showed me, I didn't know what i was really asking for and deep down, it showed me that i really didn't want that for them either.

Grace777x70 · Dec 10, 2016

Chris2552 said:

It's all right brother. I knew what you were saying - the main point that you were getting across - that if you could forgive what happened to you - how much more could our Father forgive us because of His Son's work at taking all the sins of the world on Himself.

It was actually a fruit of the life of Christ in you manifesting out in forgiveness. Sometimes the fruit takes time and goes through different means to see it for what it really is in us - His life in us will eventually always win. Love never fails.

HisHolly · Dec 10, 2016

Could have taken the opportunity to teach.. maybe you can't articulate further or something.. I'll go with that.. we don't know everything and I was just asking a question..

Chris2552 said:

dcontroversal · Dec 10, 2016

You know....more heresy comes to fruition because people yank scriptures without context to prove points that are not valid......

The context is WILLFULLY turning your back on the assembly by FORSAKING it and forsaking the ASSEMBLING of ourselves TOGETHER..........

The CONTEXT of HEBREWS is aimed at those who WISH TO GO BACK under and INFERIOR way which HAS NO SACRIFICE for SINS and ATTEMPTING to BLEND FAITH and an OUTWARD OBSERVANCE of those things which POINTED TO A BETTER WAY!

THE only sin UNFORGIVABLE boils down to UNBELIEF....to BLASPHEME the Holy Spirit is to ATTRIBUTE the work of CHRIST to the power of the DEVIL and not the HOLY SPIRIT...this is a STATE of UNBELIEF and if one WILL NOT BELIEVE JESUS is of GOD and working through the power of the HOLY SPIRIT they CANNOT BE FORGIVEN......

JESUS...PAID for EVERY sin I would commit EVER...and it is my SPIRIT that is BORN again by INCORRUPTABLE SEED...IT IS ETERNALLY saved, sealed, justified and sanctified in JESUS..........period!

HisHolly · Dec 10, 2016

As long as you have works to prove your faith. Faith minus them is dead and that equals unbelief.. with or without this text.. Paul said his hands were clean BC he neglected not the teaching of the whole council.. so yes I agree with context but let's keep it all in context

dcontroversal said:

dcontroversal · Dec 10, 2016

HisHolly said:

As long as you have works to prove your faith. Faith minus them is dead and that equals unbelief.. with or without this text.. Paul said his hands were clean BC he neglected not the teaching of the whole council.. so yes I agree with context but let's keep it all in context[/QUOTE\]

Ummmm...sorry..the bible does not teach a works based salvation...

By grace dia faith
NOT BY WORKS of RIGHTEOUSNESS
IT IS A GIFT

PAUL said a man is JUSTIFIED before GOD by FAITH without works
THE works are the product of the FAITH that is already PRESENT
JAMES said SHOW ME your FAITH by your works

BEFORE GOD by FAITH
BEFORE MEN by WORKS that SHOW OUR INWARD FAITH OUTWARDLY

I fully understand that a genuine, saved children of GOD will ave at least ONE piece of fruit and or a WORK<----for reference...JESUS said the work of the FATHER is to BELIEVE on HIM whom HE SENT......................

Angela53510 · Dec 10, 2016

Well, thank you for post #54 on page 3 by DesertRose!

Context, and not all these deflections to make the Word of God say what it doesn't.

Paul is probably not the writer of Hebrews, it is not his style or vocabulary and he always identifies himself at the beginning of the letter. But certainly, whoever wrote Hebrews, was a Jewish Christian, who knew the Old Covenant, and how Christ superseded that covenant, by his death on the cross, the perfect sacrifice for sin.

And I do want to say, I do not think we need to be worrying about being cast out for sin, if we are truly following Christ, God will give us many opportunities to confess our sins, and make restitution to the people and before God. However, having formerly been a "grace only" person, my understanding of the Bible, after much prayer and seeking God, shows me that we do have a part in our walk with Christ.

The first stage - justification - that is totally from God! We cannot do anything to earn our salvation, probably not even saying a sinner's prayer. God reaches out and calls us. I certainly could not disobey that call, and refuse to repent of my sins. I can't imagine that God would call someone and they would be beyond saving.

However, especially with Greek this semester, I see so many times the call for obedience, and the hard consequences if we do not. Sanctification is the process of cooperation with God, to be transformed into the image of Christ. In both of the following verses, the word "transform" in Greek, μεταμορφοῦσθε metamorphousthe - (2nd person plural - you be transformed) ) in Romans 12:2 and μεταμορφούμεθα (metamorpheoumetha- 1st person plural - we are being transformed) in 2 Cor. 3:18, the word is in the passive imperative. This is a theological text, and it is God who commands we cooperate, with his help, to become more like him.

"Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect" Romans 12:2

"And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord,are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another.For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit." 2 Cor. 3:18

I don't know about you, but to me, these are incredibly exciting verses! It means that God is helping us on our journey, helping us grow, comforting, leading and guiding us!

BUT, there is the caution, which is echoed in so many places in Scripture, including Hebrews 10, that our obedience is not requested, but demanded! And if we choose not to obey??

"For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,27 but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.28 Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses.29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?30 For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.”31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." Hebrews 10:26-31

This IS addressed to Jewish believers. So does it apply to us, if we were not saved out of Judaism? Of course!! We may not have been going back to the temple to bring sacrifices, but there are so many ways we can walk away from God. And each on of them has to do with not obeying God!

In fact, the writer of Hebrews is definitely trying to encourage, but to be fair, he also warns what can happen when we walk away from Christ.

The writer lists three things they have been doing right before the above passage and three after this passage.

A "Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who promised is faithful.24 And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works,25 not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near." Hebrews 10:23-24

B Warnings not to sin deliberately! Verses 26-31, above!

A' But recall the former days when, after you were enlightened, you endured a hard struggle with sufferings,33 sometimes being publicly exposed to reproach and affliction, and sometimes being partners with those so treated.34 For you had compassion on those in prison, and you joyfully accepted the plundering of your property, since you knew that you yourselves had a better possession and an abiding one." Hebrews 10:32-34

This is called a CHIASM in Greek and Hebrew, and was a recognized literary form. Basically the topic is presented in part A, and again A' after Part B. Part B in the middle is the warning! And the middle of a chiasm is always the most important part!

And if some people are going to insist this passage does not apply to Gentile Christians, there are just so many other places that are addressed to Gentile Christians, that we do have to obey God and his commands.

"And Samuel said,
“Has the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices,
as in obeying the voice of the Lord?
Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice,
and to listen than the fat of rams." 1 Sam. 15:22

Oops! That OT verse just slipped in. Because although Hebrews is about sacrifices and sin and the perfect sacrifice of Jesus on the cross, God has always preferred obedience to sacrifice. Nothing new here!

"The Father loves the Son and has given all things into his hand.36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him." John 3:35-36

"What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!16 Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves,[a] you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?17 But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed," Romans 6:15-17

"We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ,6 being ready to punish every disobedience, when your obedience is complete." 2 Cor. 10:4-6

"Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling,13 for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure." Phil. 2:11-13

Why would Paul write this, unless it is because he was concerned that people who were obeying, might turn from it?

So no, we should not be fearful of losing our salvation. But yes, we should be obeying God. Instead of worrying about losing salvation, I believer we need to be drawing nearer to Christ. That means faithful reading and studying of the Word. It means prayer, confession of sins, and worship of God. It means rejoicing that God has saved us.

It also means being faithful to the works that God has given us to do, as in Eph. 2:10 (Loved that someone posted the other day, how this verse is always left off of verses 8-9 - this is part of that joyful confirmation of God saving us. Not works to save us, but works we do out of obedience. Cooperating with the Holy Spirit!

"For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them." Eph. 2:10

That is my latest thoughts on this matter! I may apply to change my screen name to "overlylongposts!" LOL

psalm6819 · Dec 10, 2016

HisHolly said:

Hi Holly

Please don't think that is what the book of Hebrews is about. Those verses were written to Jewish belivers about sacrifices of animals, continu9img in Hebrews it states that the blood of Jesus was shed once for ALL.

HisHolly · Dec 10, 2016

Yes I know.. but true for everyone nonetheless.. no sacrifice remains for those who think it's OK to never change their course in life.. faith has evidence..

psalm6819 said:

NarrowRoadDisciple · Dec 10, 2016

As with the new dynamic in the new testament, we have a Mediator and Advocate in Christ Jesus, so that when we as born again believers do sin, all we need to do is repent, and He is good to forgive us! This applies to both intentional and unintentional sin. Isn't God's grace amazing?

As to the OP, all sin can be forgiven except one. The only sin that cannot be forgiven is Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit - attributing the works of the Spirit to the enemy/Satan.

TemporaryCircumstances · Dec 10, 2016

dcontroversal said:

You know....more heresy comes to fruition because people yank scriptures without context to prove points that are not valid......

The context is WILLFULLY turning your back on the assembly by FORSAKING it and forsaking the ASSEMBLING of ourselves TOGETHER..........

The CONTEXT of HEBREWS is aimed at those who WISH TO GO BACK under and INFERIOR way which HAS NO SACRIFICE for SINS and ATTEMPTING to BLEND FAITH and an OUTWARD OBSERVANCE of those things which POINTED TO A BETTER WAY!

THE only sin UNFORGIVABLE boils down to UNBELIEF....to BLASPHEME the Holy Spirit is to ATTRIBUTE the work of CHRIST to the power of the DEVIL and not the HOLY SPIRIT...this is a STATE of UNBELIEF and if one WILL NOT BELIEVE JESUS is of GOD and working through the power of the HOLY SPIRIT they CANNOT BE FORGIVEN......

JESUS...PAID for EVERY sin I would commit EVER...and it is my SPIRIT that is BORN again by INCORRUPTABLE SEED...IT IS ETERNALLY saved, sealed, justified and sanctified in JESUS..........period!

Okay....sorry....I guess
I was just asking a question dear

TemporaryCircumstances · Dec 10, 2016

Chris2552 said:

Ohhhhh I get ya

dcontroversal · Dec 10, 2016

TemporaryCircumstances said:

No need to apologize friend.....and no offence meant on my part....peace

buddyt · Dec 13, 2016

Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Sprit it shall not be forgiven Mat. 12:31, Mark 3:28

Stunnedbygrace · Dec 13, 2016

TemporaryCircumstances said:

I think what Paul said can help to round out our understanding of this verse you give. He talks about sinning even though it is against what he wills to do. He speaks of being in agreement with God but the weakness of his flesh and his will cause him to do what he doesn't want to do and what he agrees is not good. He says then it is not him sinning willfully and deliberately but it is sin in him doing it.

I see this in me. I don't want to get angry and murder in my heart. I agree with Gods definition of what murder is and I want to not murder. But sometimes, someone says or does something and it happens so quick that an inside rage hits me at being treated badly or unfairly or at being tersely snapped at or contemptuously dismissed with a quick roll of the eye. And even if it doesn't explode outward in a retaliatory terse tongue lashing, (or worse), the murder still occurred, against my will. That isn't me deliberately sinning. It is sin in me rising up and momentarily getting control of me. But this causes me to cry for help to overcome this enemy and to have the mastery over this enemy when I see he is stronger than me. And then I see Him come to my aid and understand: who will save me from this body of death??? Thank God, that Jesus will!

Socreta93 · Dec 13, 2016

I think if you sin, then feel guilty and sincerely repent what you did with the hope you won't do it again then it can be forgiven. However I believe when one keeps sinning deliberately with the mindset of "let me do this wrong thing, God will forgive me later" that's a fine line. It's not good to play with God

Stephen63 · Dec 13, 2016

Galatea said:

Hebrews speak to those saved & BACKSLIDDEN. Those who did the bad things written were once saved & decided to go back.

"Sinning" refers to continuing rebelliously in sin, not the occasional fleshly fall.

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