ZEAL, WITHOUT KNOWLEGE

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Just a reminder---in all of your getting, get WISDOM... (Proverbs 4:7)
 

lastofall

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And let us make sure we obtain the right use of knowledge which is wisdom, and not the wrong use of knowledge which is foolishness; which is the wisdom of this world, whereas the only right use of knowledge is only from God by the Word of God.
 
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You DO realize, don't you, that knowledge is not even required for wisdom to be a part of a person's life?
 

Zmouth

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You DO realize, don't you, that knowledge is not even required for wisdom to be a part of a person's life?
Right, it isn't what you know but who you know...

Like the questions of Job (Job 28:12)
But where shall wisdom be found? and where is the place of understanding?
Or the principles in Proverbs (Proverbs 2:6)
For the LORD gives wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.
 

Joidevivre

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As a child, I had great zeal for Jesus (without much knowledge). All I needed to know was that he died for me and loved me.

Knowledge has grown in different directions - but the truth remains. Jesus loves me, and accepts me and died for my sins.

I am an ordained minister in the work of hospital and hospice chaplaincy, and give many bible studies. But when my mind grows weary, "Jesus loves me", when I am sick, "Jesus loves me" and when I am worried, "Jesus loves me".

This is the wisdom that changes a person. Wisdom is wrapped up in a person - not knowledge. Even when I pray for wisdom, Christ shows me his perspective. He is Wisdom.
 
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It seems to me there are two types of wisdom....

a) Worldly wisdom.....
b) Godly wisdom.......

A man can be wise according to the world's standards without one iota of biblical wisdom......and if I remember right...We are to strive to be wise (in a biblical way) as serpents, but as harmless as a dove......seek that wisdom that comes down from above.....

Wisdom is the proper application of knowledge....even salvation requires the word of God before one can be wise, exercise FAITH and be born again!
 
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Zeal without knowledge=self-righteous hypocracyand sitting in judgement of others
 

Bladerunner

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You DO realize, don't you, that knowledge is not even required for wisdom to be a part of a person's life?


Ah well said my friend,,,,WELL SAID.

It may take knowledge to know what makes rain but it takes wisdom to get out of the rain!
 

JaumeJ

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It may be that my zeal is not the same as it was for so many years after I first was convinced of out Lord Jesus Christ's salvation, but though I was new in the spirit-filled faith, my zeal did me no harm.

My zeal inspired my losing all confidence in my Universisty education just three months prior to my graduation. I had been on the dean's list several years running.....no matter, it all lost importance, .

From that timemy only desire was to read and know more of theWord Which I have studied since that time. Having studied the Word for almost 50 years in sev eral languages, I am still as ignorant as a stick about it, except for the most importan kn owledge, and that is that I am saved by Jesus Christ. If you know someone other than Jesus Christ who knows all of the Bible and all it means, please show us the way.........this is only Jesus Christ.

I was inspored to go to the Rocky mountains yearly summers and prat of one fall, and believe me, there is a lot of snow in the Rocky Mountainautumns in Colorado. These summers I read the Word av idly while sharing with any who would hear me. The odd part of this, not to me, was that most times when I would read and someone came by wanting to hear what I was given to say, I had just read on the subject. Not odd at all to me.

At the end of three years of summers in the Rockies and winters going to the Universisty of Wisconsi campus at Madison and the Uof Ill. at Champaign-Urbana, I started getting ndges from our Father to go to Israel.

Those nudges, signs, came in the form of people, various, wanting to send me or to take me to Israel. If you think this a normal possibility, well, one was a friend in Chicago, a Jew, knowing I loved all of the Word, wanted to send me to Israel. Another was a person with whom I had shared the Word with for several years in the Rockies who never quite cakptured the message. I say this because he wanted to take me to "all" of the holy places in the world, Tibet, Mecca, Jerusalem and more. If you get from that what I got, you know I could not be traqvelling with a person who believes in everything but Jesus. The last of the offers was from my very good friend, Shelly, at my University. Get this, I mean how it came out. "Jack, when Moira and I get married could we take you with us to Israel when we go on our honeymoon? Oh how I love Shelly and Moiraq to this day.

Needless to say, because of my great love of travel, I refused all of these offers because I thought it possible that the enemy was attmpting to tempt me. Back up to the Rockies, I prayed and asked our Dad, "Do You really want me to go to Israel?" Then I said, "I think I have received enough signs from you, but pleae, I do not want to go anywhere if it is from my love of travel only, and not from you. Will you allow me to do that old thing people have done inmovies and the like and let me just open my Bible for the answer from You?"

I opened my Bible to one of the Books of Samuel, and I read 2Sa 2:1 And it came to pass after this, that David enquired of the LORD, saying, Shall I go up into any of the cities of Judah? And the LORD said unto him, Go up. And David said, Whither shall I go up? And he said, Unto Hebron.

I then asked if He would give me a way to pay my own way because it is His plan and not of man. That afternoon I was given a temporary job by a non-believer which turned out to earn just enough for me to hitch to New York, take a plane to Luxembourg, hit to Praus in Greece, hop a freighter with room for passengers to Haifa. I chose a non-religious Kibbuts and worked there for six months, but I also went to Hebron.

Nothing truly spectacular occurred, but I certainly enjoyed all of my time there. I did learn about some things , like the name, Yahweh, to my own satisfaction, and I had no less than five Kibbutz families who took me on as their own. could have had more families, but I stopped having them when I was informed that when I am invited to the hom of a kibbutz family, they want me to come weekly. I always went back to my cabin with goodies, and this may be why most of the other volunteers kind of disliked me, lol.........they had none, but I shared everyting.

Oh, I could go on and on about the miracles in the Rockies and jsut about everywhere else, but those were for non-believers. God is the same today as yesterday, and He will never change. Praise God, He is worthy, not we, amen, wow, amen.
 
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It may be that my zeal is not the same as it was for so many years after I first was convinced of out Lord Jesus Christ's salvation, but though I was new in the spirit-filled faith, my zeal did me no harm.

My zeal inspired my losing all confidence in my Universisty education just three months prior to my graduation. I had been on the dean's list several years running.....no matter, it all lost importance, .

From that timemy only desire was to read and know more of theWord Which I have studied since that time. Having studied the Word for almost 50 years in sev eral languages, I am still as ignorant as a stick about it, except for the most importan kn owledge, and that is that I am saved by Jesus Christ. If you know someone other than Jesus Christ who knows all of the Bible and all it means, please show us the way.........this is only Jesus Christ.

I was inspored to go to the Rocky mountains yearly summers and prat of one fall, and believe me, there is a lot of snow in the Rocky Mountainautumns in Colorado. These summers I read the Word av idly while sharing with any who would hear me. The odd part of this, not to me, was that most times when I would read and someone came by wanting to hear what I was given to say, I had just read on the subject. Not odd at all to me.

At the end of three years of summers in the Rockies and winters going to the Universisty of Wisconsi campus at Madison and the Uof Ill. at Champaign-Urbana, I started getting ndges from our Father to go to Israel.

Those nudges, signs, came in the form of people, various, wanting to send me or to take me to Israel. If you think this a normal possibility, well, one was a friend in Chicago, a Jew, knowing I loved all of the Word, wanted to send me to Israel. Another was a person with whom I had shared the Word with for several years in the Rockies who never quite cakptured the message. I say this because he wanted to take me to "all" of the holy places in the world, Tibet, Mecca, Jerusalem and more. If you get from that what I got, you know I could not be traqvelling with a person who believes in everything but Jesus. The last of the offers was from my very good friend, Shelly, at my University. Get this, I mean how it came out. "Jack, when Moira and I get married could we take you with us to Israel when we go on our honeymoon? Oh how I love Shelly and Moiraq to this day.

Needless to say, because of my great love of travel, I refused all of these offers because I thought it possible that the enemy was attmpting to tempt me. Back up to the Rockies, I prayed and asked our Dad, "Do You really want me to go to Israel?" Then I said, "I think I have received enough signs from you, but pleae, I do not want to go anywhere if it is from my love of travel only, and not from you. Will you allow me to do that old thing people have done inmovies and the like and let me just open my Bible for the answer from You?"

I opened my Bible to one of the Books of Samuel, and I read 2Sa 2:1 And it came to pass after this, that David enquired of the LORD, saying, Shall I go up into any of the cities of Judah? And the LORD said unto him, Go up. And David said, Whither shall I go up? And he said, Unto Hebron.

I then asked if He would give me a way to pay my own way because it is His plan and not of man. That afternoon I was given a temporary job by a non-believer which turned out to earn just enough for me to hitch to New York, take a plane to Luxembourg, hit to Praus in Greece, hop a freighter with room for passengers to Haifa. I chose a non-religious Kibbuts and worked there for six months, but I also went to Hebron.

Nothing truly spectacular occurred, but I certainly enjoyed all of my time there. I did learn about some things , like the name, Yahweh, to my own satisfaction, and I had no less than five Kibbutz families who took me on as their own. could have had more families, but I stopped having them when I was informed that when I am invited to the hom of a kibbutz family, they want me to come weekly. I always went back to my cabin with goodies, and this may be why most of the other volunteers kind of disliked me, lol.........they had none, but I shared everyting.

Oh, I could go on and on about the miracles in the Rockies and jsut about everywhere else, but those were for non-believers. God is the same today as yesterday, and He will never change. Praise God, He is worthy, not we, amen, wow, amen.
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Jack,

thanks so much for sharing such intimate events in your life with us...very moving indeed!
:):)
 

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Love---Power----Wisdom = Christ's Ministry. *****we should be pressing in for these in equal measure.... How hungry are we? Grace & Peace
 

88

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Wisdom is realizing you probably don't know what you think you know... Grow in Grace...
 

88

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Just a reminder---in all of your getting, get WISDOM... (Proverbs 4:7)
****Get into the Word----Get into the Spirit...
 

Blain

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Aug 28, 2012
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I think wisdom and knowledge and zeal are three ingredients that cannot be without each other and before anyone starts let me explain. Zeal for God is a good thing a fiery passion for him will make you go far however like a raging fire if uncontrolled it becomes wild and consumes everything in it's surrounding area even to the point where people get burned.

However if one has knowledge to to contain a blazing fire as many fire fighters do that can a make a difference however one must have the wisdom to use that knowledge in the correct way or else a forest fire will not be contained correctly. zeal without knowledge leads to a hyper spirited believer who is untamed, knowledge without wisdom leads to self righteous all knowing teachers.

Jesus knew this all to well
 

88

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Just a reminder---in all of your getting, get WISDOM... (Proverbs 4:7)
***consider tithing---unless your doing more...