Is WOF of God or the devil?

[Angela53510]

That thread is based off teaching of men not the word and perpetuated by a woman who sees thru emotional pain

No, it was all Bible! And no one was able to refute it, in all the pages it went.

As far as not the Bible, there was my friend, and ordained Kenneth Copeland pastor, who got breast cancer, and died within the year because she refused treatment. Instead she "claimed" healing and died when God didn't heal her. And she was a strong woman of God, called as an evangelist. The church she started, all the members came to Christ because of her testimony and witness.

And we won't even get into those who are judged and condemned because God does not heal them. God got me over that phase, when he sent me to read the Psalms for 2 years exclusively. God healed the hurts caused by this terrible heresy.

Healing is NOT in the atonement, BUT God does heal, when it is his will. And that includes unbelievers with no faith, as I have seen. And who got saved because of the miracle.

But the speaking forth words, and being "little gods" and the lies the movement tells, and the money the leaders of the movement the leaders have reaped, those are the ungodly things.

You can post hearsay and opinions all you want, but I see no Bible scriptures to support this heinous doctrine.

I'm grateful to God, that in his love and mercy, he has used all things together to change me totally, and that I have learned to lean on Jesus for everything, good and bad.

"And we know that God works all things together for good to those who love God and are called according to his purpose." Romans 8:28

"More than that, we rejoice in our suffering, knowing that suffering produces perseverance and perseverance produces character and character produces hope. And hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured out by the Holy Spirit who has been given to us." Romans 5:3-5

When you miss the necessity of suffering, as a Christian, you miss out on so much of God's plan, and the opportunity to be transformed and used by God.

Here are a few verses on suffering. Which God allows, because he knows that good will come out of it, and he loves us.

"and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith—10 that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death,11 that by any means possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead." Phil. 3:9-11

"Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in Christ's afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church" Col. 1:23-25

"As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry." 2 Tim. 4:5-6

Are you better than Jesus, that you think God doesn't want you to suffer, one way or another??

"But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone. For it was fitting that he, for whom and by whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to glory, should make the founder of their salvation perfect through suffering.11 For he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified all have one source. That is why he is not ashamed to call them brothers" Hebrews 2:9-11

Suffering is a process which helps sanctify us. If you are not suffering - or the sake of the gospel, or physical illness or financial or marital problems, etc, then you have not received God's best for you. As for me, I am so blessed that God chose me, that he has kept me, transformed me and teaches me each day about his love, and mercy, but also about who he is - eternal, unchanging, infinite, and the source of wisdom, power, holiness, justice, goodness and true.

That is the God I serve is not a wizard who fixes the outside on demand or a man who is subject to our feeble manipulations. He is not shallow, like the God of WoF. My God is the creator of the universe, who created us to have fellowship with him, and to obey and love him. And that means in all circumstances.

Take your heresy elsewhere!

 

[bluto]

Don't even know what WoF means.

Did it ever occur to you to just google, "What is word of faith?" https://www.google.com/search?sourc...+of+faith&gs_l=hp....0.0.1.125050...........0. Bingo!

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[bluto]

Like I told you word of faith teachers and preachers use Romans 10:8 to support their "heretical" theology because they take the verse out of context. The problme you have knownot1 is that you don't listen nor do you do any homework to check things out for yourself. So here, read the following to get a clue instead embarassing yourself with these kind of post demonstrating your Biblical ignorance. https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=&oq=What+verse+or+verses+do+the+word+of+faith+crowd+use+to+support+their+theology&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GUEA_enUS647US647&q=What+verse+or+verses+do+the+word+of+faith+crowd+use+to+support+their+theology&gs_l=hp....0.0.3
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[dcontroversal]

In the world you shall have TRIBULATION.....
If they hate the master, what will they do to the servants....

We are guaranteed numerous "things" in the bible...

1. Salvation or Eternal damnation based upon our response to God, His word and His Son.
2. We are guaranteed FOOD, CLOTHING and or SHELTER based upon being faithful
3. Guaranteed to gain 10 fold brothers, sisters, mothers etc if we give up or lose family because of our stance for Christ
4. Our prayers heard or denied based upon faithfulness or a lack thereof
5. Our success is based upon our FAITHFULNESS and DELGHTING in the WORD of GOD (PSALM 1)

etc.....

WE are NOT guaranteed worldy RICHES, HEALTH and or FAME in this life..................so...............!

 

[JesusRules1]

Like I told you word of faith teachers and preachers use Romans 10:8 to support their "heretical" theology because they take the verse out of context. The problme you have knownot1 is that you don't listen nor do you do any homework to check things out for yourself. So here, read the following to get a clue instead embarassing yourself with these kind of post demonstrating your Biblical ignorance.

Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

They must take Romans 10:8 out of context,if they think it supports their theology,for it is about having faith to confess Christ,and that is all it talks about,receiving salvation by Christ,and not anything else.It does not talk of any other promises but salvation by Christ,although there are other promises,but not in these scriptures.

1Ti 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
1Ti 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness(material,money): from such withdraw thyself.
1Ti 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
1Ti 6:7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
1Ti 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.

God said withdraw yourself from people that teach godliness is material things,and money,for God loves people and for the saints to help them.

 

[know1]

No, it was all Bible! And no one was able to refute it, in all the pages it went.

That's because I didn't care to waste my time with it, not that I couldn't. It simply wouldn't go anywhere.

As far as not the Bible, there was my friend, and ordained Kenneth Copeland pastor, who got breast cancer, and died within the year because she refused treatment. Instead she "claimed" healing and died when God didn't heal her. And she was a strong woman of God, called as an evangelist. The church she started, all the members came to Christ because of her testimony and witness.

Same sad story I've heard from many, and been through with my mother who didn't get her healing either, and the same kind of situation I've been in, only it wasn't physical, but financial. So what's that have to do with the truth of WOF?

You can post hearsay and opinions all you want, but I see no Bible scriptures to support this heinous doctrine.

Heinous? Interesting choice of words. Is it really that serious? I didn't even use that word to describe all you who preach against the doctrine. And as for scripture, I too haven't seen any scripture countering the doctrine of WOF.
Anyway, a couple of scriptures that support this heinous doctrine, and I'm doing for you.

Rom 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
Rom 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word [of faith] is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

If you read just the bold type, you should be able to see first that the righteousness Paul speaks of is of the word of faith. Without it, there is NO righteousness.
And second, you should be able to see HOW words of faith work.
To put it simply, I would quote Paul again.
2Co 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;
That's it in a nut shell. Just speaking verbally, what you believe in your heart.
Is that so heinous? You do it all the time.
So now that I have given you two witnesses, which makes it a truth, are you ready to repent of your heinous sin and believe the doctrine is a truth of God's word?

 

[know1]

Like I told you word of faith teachers and preachers use Romans 10:8 to support their "heretical" theology because they take the verse out of context. The problme you have knownot1 is that you don't listen nor do you do any homework to check things out for yourself. So here, read the following to get a clue instead embarassing yourself with these kind of post demonstrating your Biblical ignorance. https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=&oq=What+verse+or+verses+do+the+word+of+faith+crowd+use+to+support+their+theology&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GUEA_enUS647US647&q=What+verse+or+verses+do+the+word+of+faith+crowd+use+to+support+their+theology&gs_l=hp....0.0.3
.211216...........0.#q=What+verse+or+verses+do+the+word+of+faith+crowd+used+to+support+their+theology

Here again, the word of faith is called a "heretical theology". Such venomous and spiteful words for such a wonderful doctrine.
It is true that Romans 10:8-10 is about salvation, and I don't need to take it out of context to show that it is a truth of God's word. Why do you think I asked how everyone got saved? Without WOF, you cannot receive salvation, because without WOF your faith is dead. Again, everyone uses words of faith every single day of their lives. You included.
And I assure you, this is one subject I can prove that it is not I who is ignorant concerning the subject of discussion, but you. I know too much on this subject to be swayed otherwise. I also am the only one who wrote how the thing works. And I did it straight from the bible without taking the text out of context. Would you like another one to try to refute?

Mar 11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
Mar 11:23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.

I hope you can see that above this type.
Now tell me. What does that say?
More importantly, what does it mean?
I will explain for you.
That whosoever shall verbally say or speak to, and shall not doubt in his heart that what he said shall come to pass, he shall have whatever it was that he verbally said.
That's what this verse says, and God is the one who said it first. Just like Romans 10. This is a true statement and it need ABSOLUTELY NO HELP from other verse to make it more of a truth. It is a stand alone verse. Otherwise, Jesus couldn't have said, "verily", which is to say, truly, or truthfully, or this is a true statement. And we all know God cannot lie, so why not stop fighting God and get with the program?
This is why I wonder why you people can't see this doctrine in the bible? How obvious and clear can God make it. If God couldn't make it any clearer, then who am I that I should think that I could do better?

 

[know1]

I know. They have a select few they assault but never get into discussion about the actual topic.. Like you said they never have scripture to back up the allegations against using words of faith. Would be impossible since words of faith are the heart of the reflections given about everyone who believed

I know I come across as being a bit miffed with those who are so hateful toward this doctrine, which transfers to me, but I have been taking it on pretty much alone for a long time now. There are not many who believe in WOF I guess because I'm so severely out numbered on this forum. I have a hard time getting anyone to debate me on the subject. I know I say things like, "how can you be so blind and stupid" and stuff like that, but seriously, how can they not see this? If I didn't know the answer to that question, I really would wonder. It is like my mother teaching me about the birds and bees in my early teens. I'm sure I had the same stupefied look on my face as many on this forum do when I try to show them where WOF is written.
Thank you for all your kind words, it's a pleasant change from the usual hate posts I get from all the loving Christian on this forum.

 

[trofimus]

I know I say things like, "how can you be so blind and stupid" and stuff like that, but seriously, how can they not see this? If I didn't know the answer to that question,

Because the teaching of WoF:

1. is not biblical

2. does not work in practical life

This is a summary of why we are so blind and stupid. I hope you understand now.

 

[BenFTW]

Quite often people will mock WOF individuals and say, "Go empty that hospital" and then the next moment go on about healing not being for today, or there not being a guarantee of healing through Christ's flesh. So, they challenge believers to empty hospitals but then themselves hold a doctrine of disbelief? Who are they to make a challenge when they themselves are in doubt? At least the WOF person can step out and pray, where as the Cessationist has already lost. One has hope, the other a world view that leaves none.

Don't let people's greed blind you from the truth of God's faithfulness to heal and bless you. How does one minister healing at the command of Christ, or do as the apostles say, "Rise and walk" if they do not believe that they hold such authority? Doctrines have been made to soothe a wounded heart, but such doctrines contradict the Word of God. Instead of pushing for faith, they offer up only hope. Don't you know it pleases the Father when we have faith in Him? Can God heal you? Of course He can, He is the creator of all that is. What is His will? That is the question. The answer to that question can move one from a place of hope to a place of faith that leads to healing.

If more people would just step out and administer healing instead of seeking what is already theirs through Christ more people would be healed. That can be said far more than just physically, but emotionally in their relationship with God. I am not speaking of someone mustering up faith to heal their self, but one believing God's Word to step out and heal a fellow believer. To minister and edify one another. Not a name it and claim it concept, but a reliance upon the goodness and graciousness of God. His providence and protection. His faithfulness.

 

[trofimus]

Quite often people will mock WOF individuals and say, "Go empty that hospital" and then the next moment go on about healing not being for today, or there not being a guarantee of healing through Christ's flesh. So, they challenge believers to empty hospitals but then themselves hold a doctrine of disbelief? Who are they to make a challenge when they themselves are in doubt? At least the WOF person can step out and pray, where as the Cessationist has already lost. One has hope, the other a world view that leaves none.

Don't let people's greed blind you from the truth of God's faithfulness to heal and bless you. How does one minister healing at the command of Christ, or do as the apostles say, "Rise and walk" if they do not believe that they hold such authority? Doctrines have been made to soothe a wounded heart, but such doctrines contradict the Word of God. Instead of pushing for faith, they offer up only hope. Don't you know it pleases the Father when we have faith in Him? Can God heal you? Of course He can, He is the creator of all that is. What is His will? That is the question. The answer to that question can move one from a place of hope to a place of faith that leads to healing.

If more people would just step out and administer healing instead of seeking what is already theirs through Christ more people would be healed. That can be said far more than just physically, but emotionally in their relationship with God. I am not speaking of someone mustering up faith to heal their self, but one believing God's Word to step out and heal a fellow believer. To minister and edify one another. Not a name it and claim it concept, but a reliance upon the goodness and graciousness of God. His providence and protection. His faithfulness.

1. WoF is not biblical

2. Even if you will practice it, you will not have better results rate than a praying Cessationist. Sometimes God will say "yes" and sometimes He will say "no".

 

[LaurenTM]

Quite often people will mock WOF individuals and say, "Go empty that hospital" and then the next moment go on about healing not being for today, or there not being a guarantee of healing through Christ's flesh. So, they challenge believers to empty hospitals but then themselves hold a doctrine of disbelief? Who are they to make a challenge when they themselves are in doubt? At least the WOF person can step out and pray, where as the Cessationist has already lost. One has hope, the other a world view that leaves none.

Don't let people's greed blind you from the truth of God's faithfulness to heal and bless you. How does one minister healing at the command of Christ, or do as the apostles say, "Rise and walk" if they do not believe that they hold such authority? Doctrines have been made to soothe a wounded heart, but such doctrines contradict the Word of God. Instead of pushing for faith, they offer up only hope. Don't you know it pleases the Father when we have faith in Him? Can God heal you? Of course He can, He is the creator of all that is. What is His will? That is the question. The answer to that question can move one from a place of hope to a place of faith that leads to healing.

If more people would just step out and administer healing instead of seeking what is already theirs through Christ more people would be healed. That can be said far more than just physically, but emotionally in their relationship with God. I am not speaking of someone mustering up faith to heal their self, but one believing God's Word to step out and heal a fellow believer. To minister and edify one another. Not a name it and claim it concept, but a reliance upon the goodness and graciousness of God. His providence and protection. His faithfulness.

a well tempered and reasonable post...unlike the rhetoric and unbalanced op, which, apparently had been building steam for some time and finally exploded onto the forums with nonsense and just more of the exact type of post people expect from those who believe in the WOF doctrine

I do not hold to, believe in nor do I practice what most will refer to as WOF

do I believe in praying for people to be healed? yes and I have seen people healed and furthermore, scripture states that God heals but He does heal on demand as so many have found out

the long thread regarding WOF, became a sounding ground for several people who did not respond kindly to scripture...one person was banned because of his total lack of respect and name calling and aother has most likely been told to tone it down after calling the op a hypocrite a good many times

that, does absolutely nothing to defend ANY doctrine, let alone one as controversial as WOF

I have my own horror stores involving WOF...not mine personally, but of others who have been greatly harmed by name it and claim it and if you don't get your prayers answered, there is something wrong with your faith

those stories, include one woman dying in hospital while her husband and 3 children watched her wither away because she refuse the treatment that would have possibly cured her and certainly prolonged her life...she stated she could not accept any treatment because God would not heal her if she lacked faith...so she died...the end...

I am not speaking of someone mustering up faith to heal their self, but one believing God's Word to step out and heal a fellow believer. To minister and edify one another. Not a name it and claim it concept, but a reliance upon the goodness and graciousness of God. His providence and protection. His faithfulness.

I agree someone or someones must have faith...IN God...better to pray then do nothing, right?

however, it is God and ONLY God who heals in that instance, however He does call on us to pray and if we are going to , then have faith that He hears and answers

it would be more than foolish to state God heals everyone

people were healed throughout the OT...including when Moses lifted up the brass serpent (prob most know that story...if not...google it) and Jesus healed BEFORE He had to die

He had to die for forgiveness of sins...He did not die to heal us...He was already healing and delivering from demons

a correct rendering of Isaiah 53 does not include physical healing...

however, God does physically heal...not all the time and not on demand...there are some people here who will tell others...oh if you would only seek God he would heal you...really?

that is not biblical and puts the blame on the person who is suffering and most likely already on their knees

sadly, one more thing,,,those who are calling themselves WOF...that is, actually word of faith, and not just saying God heals, are you actually WOF or are you just becoming increasingly annoyed by stating those who disagree with the actual WOF doctrine do not believe in healing and further have no faith

those are false accusations and you would be wise to zip it and actually read what is posted

the other thread, contains many posts that illustrate the exact snarkiness and blame game that WOF'ers engage in

so before someone decides to accuse myself or others of not having faith, or not thinking God still heals or some other nonsense, understand that you LACK understanding if you can read this post and still accuse and blame

 

[HisHolly]

Im with you 1,000%

I know I come across as being a bit miffed with those who are so hateful toward this doctrine, which transfers to me, but I have been taking it on pretty much alone for a long time now. There are not many who believe in WOF I guess because I'm so severely out numbered on this forum. I have a hard time getting anyone to debate me on the subject. I know I say things like, "how can you be so blind and stupid" and stuff like that, but seriously, how can they not see this? If I didn't know the answer to that question, I really would wonder. It is like my mother teaching me about the birds and bees in my early teens. I'm sure I had the same stupefied look on my face as many on this forum do when I try to show them where WOF is written.
Thank you for all your kind words, it's a pleasant change from the usual hate posts I get from all the loving Christian on this forum.

 

[LaurenTM]

the title of this thread...is WOF of God or the devil?

is guaranteed to cause some people to pick up arms before they even read the first paragraph...which is an indication of the sentiments of the op from the get go

that title alone indicates the importance of a questionable doctrine to the op...it is his doctrine and he knows better and is ready, by gum by gosh, to defend it with his honor...even if that means calling people liars and lumping everyone together in his own opinionated and volatile lack of comprehension

of far greater benefit to all concerned, would be a exegetical study on healing...even a topical one...but as the thread demonstrates, the op has invited all to take sides and have a go at each other

Isaiah 53

Isaiah 53:5, which is then quoted in 1 Peter 2:24, is a key verse on healing, but it is often misunderstood and misapplied. “But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.” The word translated “healed” can mean either spiritual or physical healing. However, the contexts of Isaiah 53 and 1 Peter 2 make it clear that it is speaking of spiritual healing. “He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed” (1 Peter 2:24). The verse is talking about sin and righteousness, not sickness and disease. Therefore, being “healed” in both these verses is speaking of being forgiven and saved, not physically healed.

this is from 'got questions'...but I happen to agree with the summation, having already conducted my own thorough and conclusive study years ago ... nothing has changed

I have no objection to praying for healing or believing God does heal...but I will object to people saying it is included in Isaiah 53

ALL...the Bible states ALL who call on the name of the Lord will be saved

NO ONE can show any indication that scripture states ANYWHERE that ALL who pray for healing are healed...which is why Isaiah 53 is hauled out over and over and offered as 'proof'

if physical healing is what is meant by 'with his stripes we are healed'...then ALL would be healed

you don't have to believe that...but stop accusing others of having no faith when they may very well have more of that God given attribute than those who insist the Bible says what it does not, in fact, actually say

 

[know1]

Because the teaching of WoF:

1. is not biblical

2. does not work in practical life

This is a summary of why we are so blind and stupid. I hope you understand now.

The scriptures I list below are what I understand why many of you are so blind and stupid. For truly it is scriptural and it most certainly works. If it didn't, then you are not born again sir.

Joh 8:46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Mat 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Mat 13:18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.
Mat 13:19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
Mat 13:20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
Mat 13:21 Yet hath [it, as in the word that was sown] not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended [and falls away from believing].




Most have not made it to the third level of the weeds so I don't need to go there.
What does Mk 13 have to do with WOF, you ask?
Simple.
Before one can use WOF, they must believe the word of God. And before they can believe God, they must hear the word. And if they hear and don't understand or their heart is hardened, like the stony ground, they will not be ABLE to believe, or they will believe until they have to use the word for things like a sickness or when they are verbally persecuted and made to feel ashamed for believing in something like WOF that was sown in their heart. They then become offended or ashamed and so fall away from believing.
It sounds like you at least tried it and saw that it didn't work for you, which is not true. WOF always works. The biggest problem with most failing to receive is THINKING that they really believe, when they don't. Most of you are too worldly and conditioned or trained in the natural, to believe the supernatural over the natural.
Like you, I too have been on the failing end, MANY TIMES I might add. But Jesus said, those who continue in His word WILL eventually come to KNOW the truth, and then the truth will make you free. Perhaps like the many others, you fell away from the truth of God's word because the word of God was not able to take root in that stony heart of yours.

 

[know1]

the title of this thread...is WOF of God or the devil?

is guaranteed to cause some people to pick up arms before they even read the first paragraph...which is an indication of the sentiments of the op from the get go

that title alone indicates the importance of a questionable doctrine to the op...it is his doctrine and he knows better and is ready, by gum by gosh, to defend it with his honor...even if that means calling people liars and lumping everyone together in his own opinionated and volatile lack of comprehension

of far greater benefit to all concerned, would be a exegetical study on healing...even a topical one...but as the thread demonstrates, the op has invited all to take sides and have a go at each other

First off, this thread is not about the health and wealth message, so let's not go there. It's about words of faith and what the bible has to say about that.
Secondly, my aim or purpose for the thread was not nor is it now, to cause others to take up arm and take a side.
Is it too much to ask for you to look at scripture with me? Is there a reason why many of you have to take offense to this doctrine. How will you know if this doctrine is a truth of God or not if your heart is already hardened toward it?
Try and come to the table of reasoning BEFORE you take up arms and start shooting at me.
And thirdly, this is not about my honor, but about the truth of God's word to be heard and known.

 

[trofimus]

The scriptures I list below are what I understand why many of you are so blind and stupid. For truly it is scriptural and it most certainly works. If it didn't, then you are not born again sir.

Enough said. You are still a child in Christianity, if you talk and think about others like this.

Please, start to learn solid teachings, not about your success, tongues or health, but about Christ and how we should behave in this world.

 

[know1]

Im with you 1,000%

You've been there, done that kind of thing too, huh?
Sorry to say, it's a sad fact of life. And a crying shame too. But because the weeds or tares have been sown AMONG the wheat, it is sometimes difficult to determine who are the sheep, and who are the wolves in sheep's clothing.

 

[know1]

Enough said. You are still a child in Christianity, if you talk and think about others like this.

Please, start to learn solid teachings, not about your success, tongues or health, but about Christ and how we should behave in this world.

The thread is about WOF, so let's talk scripture that deals directly about it.
Again, this thread is not about healing or getting things or wealth, it's about words of faith and what the bible has to say about that.

 

[know1]

a) it might be helpful if you clarified what YOU mean by WoF, particularly since you seen to be separating it from heath and wealth. give us your definition of WoF, if you please.

b) thus far, i've read a bit of what approaches ranting and have seen no Scripture to back up your statements.
once you define what you mean, can you provide Scripture?

c) "how it 'works' " ??
please will you explain what you mean by 'works' ?


i hope addressing the above might give us a better framework for an actual discussion than what you have done so far.
thank you

Sorry it took me so long to get to your post, but I was too busy quenching fiery tarts the devil has been throwing at me.
A. WOF- words of faith. Simply stated. Verbally speaking what you believe in your heart.
B. The clearest one would be Mk 11:22-23 and Rom 10:6-10
C. Sure. It would be the same kind of thing as asking how faith works. There is a right way and a wrong way. The right way is to believe what God said REGARDLESS of the situation or circumstance one is presently in. The wrong way is- well they are soooo numerous, I can only list a few. The wrong way is to doubt the word of God for the same said situation or circumstance. Because most times, the word or promises of God conflict with the natural current events. For example, the bible says you are the righteousness of God, but you say, you are a sinner saved by grace, because that is how you see yourself. You cannot be both. You are either the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus or you are a sinner. Once saved, you are no longer a sinner, you are the righteousness of God. The new testament uses the word, sinner, the same way the old uses the word, belial. A sinner is a child of the devil as is the children of belial. Sorry, I digressed from the subject a little.
How it works would be like finding out how to make a car move down the road. You don't need to know all the technical jargon that makes the car run to use it, you just need to know how to make the thing move. The same holds true with WOF. Many say, "that WOF or faith stuff don't work". That's because they didn't find out how to make the thing work or what makes the car move. I hope you understood my analogy.