The Book of Jonah

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John146

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A few things to ponder about the book of Jonah:

1. Why did God want to destroy Nineveh?

2. Why did Jonah go the other way?

3. Did Jonah go to hell?

4. Does God change His mind?

5. Did God know ahead of time that He would change His mind?
 

trofimus

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1. Because of its wickedness
2. Complicated personality
3. No (but it depends what you mean by this word, he surelly went to sheol)
4. Not literally. Its always an antropomorphism. Like "the hand of God" etc.
5. Sure. So He did not change it. It only looked so from the view of men.

Everything is IMHO :)
 
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1. Because of violence and sin

2. Because Jonah knew that Nineveh was the capitol of Assyria and He knew that God had prophesied that he would use the Assyrians to destroy and punish Israel.

3. No, He was a holy man of God used to prophesy (PETER)

4. Yes if he so chooses....concerning SOME things....(Hezekiah)<-told to get his house in order was going to die, begged and pleaded with God, was spared and given another 15 years...

5. Obviously....if not then he would not be God............same with #4
 

trofimus

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2. Because Jonah knew that Nineveh was the capitol of Assyria and He knew that God had prophesied that he would use the Assyrians to destroy and punish Israel.
Interesting insight. Do you know the timeline of the prophecy about Assyria, of the book of Jonah and of the attack of Assyrians?
 

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1. Why did God want to destroy Nineveh?

Throughout the OT, the battle is over the "promised seed" of Genesis 3:15. The seed is under attack by Satan and ever since God promised that the "promised seed" would come through the nation of Israel, Satan has attacked that nation in attempts to nullify the promise. Nineveh was an enemy to Israel and their violence had come up before God. To preserve the nation, God would destroy Nineveh before Nineveh destroys Israel. Since Nineveh repented, God repented. At the time, there was no more need to destroy Nineveh because they are no longer a threat to Israel.
 

trofimus

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1. Why did God want to destroy Nineveh?

Throughout the OT, the battle is over the "promised seed" of Genesis 3:15. The seed is under attack by Satan and ever since God promised that the "promised seed" would come through the nation of Israel, Satan has attacked that nation in attempts to nullify the promise. Nineveh was an enemy to Israel and their violence had come up before God. To preserve the nation, God would destroy Nineveh before Nineveh destroys Israel. Since Nineveh repented, God repented. At the time, there was no more need to destroy Nineveh because they are no longer a threat to Israel.
God used Assyria to punish and destroy Israel later. And it was His will, not the will of satan.
 
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Interesting insight. Do you know the timeline of the prophecy about Assyria, of the book of Jonah and of the attack of Assyrians?
Jonah would have prophesied during the reign of Jeroboam II around 793-753 B.C.

The Assyrians preliminarily smacked the Northern kingdom of Israel in 732/731 B.C. as a warning from God and then finished the deed in 722/721 B.C.

The Assyrian conquest of Aram began about 883-859 B.C. and numerous references are found concerning their march across the land....by the time Jonah is called to curb their violence through repentance they had already began to turn their attention Southward toward Samaria it seems.....
 

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God used Assyria to punish and destroy Israel later. And it was His will, not the will of satan.
They did not destroy Israel. They went to war with Israel and enslaved many. God obviously preserved the seed line, but I understand what you are saying.
 
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God used Assyria to punish and destroy Israel later. And it was His will, not the will of satan.
Exactly....and then used the Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar to punish the Assyrians.....God is God....the book of Habakkuk taught me that when I studied through it in 1995....He raises up the Babylonians to punish Judah and then punishes the Babylonians because of the way they punished Judah..........(a very brief summation for sure)....
 

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#2. Why did Jonah go the other way?

Jonah knew there was a chance that Nineveh would believe the message of destruction and in turn repent and cry out to God for mercy. And Jonah knew that God is a merciful God and in turn would repent of the destruction of Nineveh. Jonah did not want to take this chance so he headed the other direction hoping God would destroy Nineveh after forty days.
 

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3. Did Jonah go to hell?

I believe he did. Jonah 2

1 Then Jonah prayed unto the Lord his God out of the fish's belly,2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.
3 For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.
4 Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple.
5 The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head.
6 I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O Lord my God.
7 When my soul fainted within me I remembered the Lord: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple.
8 They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy.
9 But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the Lord.
10 And the Lord spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land.

After the three days and three nights, Jonah prays. His prayer is not of present tribulation but one of deliverance. Jonah is in the whale's belly. What has he been delivered from? Hell of course, where it's bars where about him forever. Jonah was, past tense, crying out of affliction but has now, after three days and three nights, been brought up from corruption. Jonah was brought up from where? Hell of course, where he was suffering.

The Lord Jesus would compare what He would do to the sign of Jonah, "As Jonah, so am I." If Jonah never died, neither did the Lord Jesus and we are yet in our sins.
 

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They did not destroy Israel. They went to war with Israel and enslaved many. God obviously preserved the seed line, but I understand what you are saying.
Yeah, I did not mean they removed Jews from the surface of the planet. But the kingdom of Israel.
 

trofimus

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Exactly....and then used the Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar to punish the Assyrians.....God is God....the book of Habakkuk taught me that when I studied through it in 1995....He raises up the Babylonians to punish Judah and then punishes the Babylonians because of the way they punished Judah..........(a very brief summation for sure)....
Yes, this has always been fascinating to me.

How everything works together to complete His plan. Both good and evil.
 

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Yeah, I did not mean they removed Jews from the surface of the planet. But the kingdom of Israel.
Yes, and I would add that God allowed that to happen. God took His protection off Israel for their disobedience. God did not put the murderous actions in the heart of Assyria.

John 8:44, Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Satan is the murderer and uses others to carry out his lust. Even in the John passage we see the Pharisees being used by Satan to murder the seed.
 

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Yes, and I would add that God allowed that to happen. God took His protection off Israel for their disobedience. God did not put the murderous actions in the heart of Assyria.

John 8:44, Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Satan is the murderer and uses others to carry out his lust. Even in the John passage we see the Pharisees being used by Satan to murder the seed.
Its quite a question, whether the killing in the war is a murder...

In that case the killing while the Israel was conquering the land was also murdering?
 

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1. Because of violence and sin

2. Because Jonah knew that Nineveh was the capitol of Assyria and He knew that God had prophesied that he would use the Assyrians to destroy and punish Israel.

3. No, He was a holy man of God used to prophesy (PETER)

4. Yes if he so chooses....concerning SOME things....(Hezekiah)<-told to get his house in order was going to die, begged and pleaded with God, was spared and given another 15 years...

5. Obviously....if not then he would not be God............same with #4

what did Peter have to do with this.
 

John146

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4. Does God change His mind?

Absolutely! God has changed His mind on many things. Here's a glimpse into the mind of God.

Jeremiah 18
7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it;
8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.
9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it;
10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.
 

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Yes, this has always been fascinating to me.

How everything works together to complete His plan. Both good and evil.


AND.........................for one end of the Bible to the other... Divinely designed.
 

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A few things to ponder about the book of Jonah:

1. Why did God want to destroy Nineveh?

2. Why did Jonah go the other way?

3. Did Jonah go to hell?

4. Does God change His mind?

5. Did God know ahead of time that He would change His mind?
1. God didn't want to destroy Ninevah.

2. Because Job knew that God didn't want to destroy Ninevah.

3. Job was in the belly of the whale/fish for 3 days. I'm sure hell is much like that.

4. Not really. He already knows beginning from end.

5. Does Gods Will change? No, not really. Possibly, in our timing it appears that way. But what we think or what appears one way to us doesn't affect God.
 

John146

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1. God didn't want to destroy Ninevah.

2. Because Job knew that God didn't want to destroy Ninevah.

3. Job was in the belly of the whale/fish for 3 days. I'm sure hell is much like that.

4. Not really. He already knows beginning from end.

5. Does Gods Will change? No, not really. Possibly, in our timing it appears that way. But what we think or what appears one way to us doesn't affect God.

If God did not want to destroy Nineveh, why did He call Jonah to go there and cry out against them, "yet forty days and Nineveh shall be overthrown"?