Why Did God Allow Satan To Tempt Adam + Eve?
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A thought let to the creation of the universe!
Nur kun has solved one of the most important delima of how we came to this world with his theory of One kun (thought) theory, which states how the world came to be and how we got here. Here is an small passage from "Universe created by a single thought" chapter:
"Our All-powerful, forever compassionate creator created us like itself 100% with no exception (Please see chapter “Why an everlasting, All-powerful creator created us exactly like itself in eternity”). However, since we did not create ourselves, we had a thought -- what if nothing was the same and completely opposite to what forever was, and how would it be like to be not like our creator? And with this single, “what if” idea was the world came into being, and brought us here with our individual selves and individual pasts."
Another interesting chapter talks about all the unique reasons for the only word resembling your own 10 fingers and 10 toes for centuries upon centuries! And if it wasn't for authors different keen of sense, no one would have guessed what it was meant to resemble your own fingers for! So, who wouldn't want to know the reason for it resembling your own fingers, unless your not a human being!
Therefore, IMHO, I will say his free ebook, "Rediscoveries of the centuries" ( get the free ebook from author's main site at nurkun.com/ebook.html or download it at preview.tinyurl.com/2a4d474) will change the world for in many ways for the better for its unique perspective! If you don't agree, then, please illustrate why that can be!
Additionally, would anyone would like to tell me please, what do you think the purpose of what he is trying to convey in his theories and what do you think his mission is? And, who do you think he is?
Nur kun has solved one of the most important delima of how we came to this world with his theory of One kun (thought) theory, which states how the world came to be and how we got here. Here is an small passage from "Universe created by a single thought" chapter:
"Our All-powerful, forever compassionate creator created us like itself 100% with no exception (Please see chapter “Why an everlasting, All-powerful creator created us exactly like itself in eternity”). However, since we did not create ourselves, we had a thought -- what if nothing was the same and completely opposite to what forever was, and how would it be like to be not like our creator? And with this single, “what if” idea was the world came into being, and brought us here with our individual selves and individual pasts."
Another interesting chapter talks about all the unique reasons for the only word resembling your own 10 fingers and 10 toes for centuries upon centuries! And if it wasn't for authors different keen of sense, no one would have guessed what it was meant to resemble your own fingers for! So, who wouldn't want to know the reason for it resembling your own fingers, unless your not a human being!
Therefore, IMHO, I will say his free ebook, "Rediscoveries of the centuries" ( get the free ebook from author's main site at nurkun.com/ebook.html or download it at preview.tinyurl.com/2a4d474) will change the world for in many ways for the better for its unique perspective! If you don't agree, then, please illustrate why that can be!
Additionally, would anyone would like to tell me please, what do you think the purpose of what he is trying to convey in his theories and what do you think his mission is? And, who do you think he is?
Satan did not, nor could tempt Adam, and God did not create Adam to fall.
If you presume that GOD knew Adam would fall, even before
creating him, is to say that GOD made Adam with a flaw. Shame on
you. And would it not also be true that GOD knew most would end up
in the Lake of Fire, which is the case? So, then, did GOd create to save
a few and punish the masses? Does the end ever justify the means?
'Shall we sin that grace may abound? God forbid'! So how is that GOD
created man to fall just so HE could show us LOVE? Did HE not show
love by giving himeverything on the earth, even the Garden of Eden?
People think GOD put something before Adam he could not have
(the forbidden tree), but they are ignorant of the scriptures which
prove that the forbidden tree and the tree growing next to it (which
tree Adam could eat freely from) are both the Tree of Life. Therefore,
since they are both the same tree, Adam had the same fruit on the
tree he could freely eat from. What i am reading here is confusion
and personal understanding, not the Word of GOD, nor the justifying
of GOD. Figure out how GOD was just in the Beginning, especially
for allowing all of mankind to 'taste' death simply because Adam ate
a piece of good edible fruit. Would you call it just if i allow my child
to die for eating a cookie i told them not to? How then was God just,
because it is certain that HE is since HE is HOLY?
Consider: What if Genesis, Chapter One is the complete listing of
all that GOD created and made during creation? Would it not be the
case that Adam was that 'annointed cherub which covereth' since
he was the only man created and he was put over the Garden and
the earth (Is14)?
I see that there are many who have fallen victin to what i call 'Going
the Way of Eve': they believed a man for the TRUTH, instead of the
simple written word, and they have become deceived. Eve believed
what her husband told her, but he deceived her from the very start
by adding a lie (don't touch) to the Commandment. This is the
subtlety of the serpent, and the his forked tongue!
If you presume that GOD knew Adam would fall, even before
creating him, is to say that GOD made Adam with a flaw. Shame on
you. And would it not also be true that GOD knew most would end up
in the Lake of Fire, which is the case? So, then, did GOd create to save
a few and punish the masses? Does the end ever justify the means?
'Shall we sin that grace may abound? God forbid'! So how is that GOD
created man to fall just so HE could show us LOVE? Did HE not show
love by giving himeverything on the earth, even the Garden of Eden?
People think GOD put something before Adam he could not have
(the forbidden tree), but they are ignorant of the scriptures which
prove that the forbidden tree and the tree growing next to it (which
tree Adam could eat freely from) are both the Tree of Life. Therefore,
since they are both the same tree, Adam had the same fruit on the
tree he could freely eat from. What i am reading here is confusion
and personal understanding, not the Word of GOD, nor the justifying
of GOD. Figure out how GOD was just in the Beginning, especially
for allowing all of mankind to 'taste' death simply because Adam ate
a piece of good edible fruit. Would you call it just if i allow my child
to die for eating a cookie i told them not to? How then was God just,
because it is certain that HE is since HE is HOLY?
Consider: What if Genesis, Chapter One is the complete listing of
all that GOD created and made during creation? Would it not be the
case that Adam was that 'annointed cherub which covereth' since
he was the only man created and he was put over the Garden and
the earth (Is14)?
I see that there are many who have fallen victin to what i call 'Going
the Way of Eve': they believed a man for the TRUTH, instead of the
simple written word, and they have become deceived. Eve believed
what her husband told her, but he deceived her from the very start
by adding a lie (don't touch) to the Commandment. This is the
subtlety of the serpent, and the his forked tongue!
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Hi Question Time,
Whenever I find something going on that I don't understand I go to the final answer to all questions. Knowing this has often been of help.
The final answer to everything is "Because God Loves me." Now knowing this I work backwards.
What preceeded the event. The gaining of knowledge. Well God must have wanted us to have knowledge. I guess with knowledge loves grows deeper and stronger. Do you think love based on truth is a deeper more faithful love? What happened to Jesus when he came to earth born a man. He had to be perfected, which means he had to learn the length, breadth and depth of love. Jesus was sinless but he wasn't perfect. Jesus was perfected through his sufferings. So then God is giving to Adam what Adam desired, Knowledge.Ask and you will receive. Why was it the will of God that we may receive knowledge. Because love is perfected.
Now if that entails a short space of learning and suffering then we should not complain. Additionally, our command is to love one another. This misery is of our own making but God knows our psychology to the nth degree. He knows what we need so trust in Him that we will suffer only as much as is minimally required to be perfected. Experience is a great teacher. Is God"s plan working. Look down, can you tell if you are naked? Think what we would be like if we had no knowledge. How strong is the love of a closeted person. What is the best way to teach a child. How are we learning. Scripture, teachings from Jesus, love.
love
edwin
Whenever I find something going on that I don't understand I go to the final answer to all questions. Knowing this has often been of help.
The final answer to everything is "Because God Loves me." Now knowing this I work backwards.
What preceeded the event. The gaining of knowledge. Well God must have wanted us to have knowledge. I guess with knowledge loves grows deeper and stronger. Do you think love based on truth is a deeper more faithful love? What happened to Jesus when he came to earth born a man. He had to be perfected, which means he had to learn the length, breadth and depth of love. Jesus was sinless but he wasn't perfect. Jesus was perfected through his sufferings. So then God is giving to Adam what Adam desired, Knowledge.Ask and you will receive. Why was it the will of God that we may receive knowledge. Because love is perfected.
Now if that entails a short space of learning and suffering then we should not complain. Additionally, our command is to love one another. This misery is of our own making but God knows our psychology to the nth degree. He knows what we need so trust in Him that we will suffer only as much as is minimally required to be perfected. Experience is a great teacher. Is God"s plan working. Look down, can you tell if you are naked? Think what we would be like if we had no knowledge. How strong is the love of a closeted person. What is the best way to teach a child. How are we learning. Scripture, teachings from Jesus, love.
love
edwin
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Hi QuestionTime,
On the question (pun intended) of Job and why he was punished so terribly. Job was a man of great faith. God tested him everymoment. See Job's reply Job7 then Job7:18. Because Job had such great faith then the test had to not only match the faith but to stretch the faith so that it could grow. After the test came the growth. That is how we learn to trust God. God puts us into positions then rescues us. Sure this was to the nth degree. Some years ago on a Roman Catholic web site I became frustrated at the pouring out of pity for Mary as she lost her Son, our Lord Jesus. I countered with Job's wife, who did not have the faith or the promise given to Mary but lost I think 7 sons. Please dont construe from this that I have any disrespect for our Lords beautiful mother, Mary. In conclusion, the test indicates just how great Job's faith was, that it took a test of this magnitude to stretch his faith. Note the Job passed this test as we will too.
love
edwin
On the question (pun intended) of Job and why he was punished so terribly. Job was a man of great faith. God tested him everymoment. See Job's reply Job7 then Job7:18. Because Job had such great faith then the test had to not only match the faith but to stretch the faith so that it could grow. After the test came the growth. That is how we learn to trust God. God puts us into positions then rescues us. Sure this was to the nth degree. Some years ago on a Roman Catholic web site I became frustrated at the pouring out of pity for Mary as she lost her Son, our Lord Jesus. I countered with Job's wife, who did not have the faith or the promise given to Mary but lost I think 7 sons. Please dont construe from this that I have any disrespect for our Lords beautiful mother, Mary. In conclusion, the test indicates just how great Job's faith was, that it took a test of this magnitude to stretch his faith. Note the Job passed this test as we will too.
love
edwin
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ok friend, God gave them free will and so they had to choose either one good or bad.........
this can relate to another question similar....why did God put us in this wicked world and first become like the world before being saved? well we must look for Jesus and try to endure to last and to find the truth and live BY the truth.
love Bryan
this can relate to another question similar....why did God put us in this wicked world and first become like the world before being saved? well we must look for Jesus and try to endure to last and to find the truth and live BY the truth.
love Bryan
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Read it all if you chose to read it. I'm faithful that this will bring some understanding.
There was no sin before Adam and Eve. No death, anger,hate,killing,lying, anything bad. They were not conscious of themselves. God had control over everything. Adam an Eve had no knowledge of bad or good. Naturally Adam and Eve were perfect and born into everlasting life, Born from God and with God, born into heaven. They never heard sin, they never saw sin, they never felt sin, they never tasted sin, and they never smelt it, they never thought it, never sensed it. They were created in heaven(which was on earth) Since there was no death or sin because everything was under God's control, how could they understand what God told them? I'm sure they weren't even conscious of the fact that everything was perfect, they didn't know any different. So when God told them they would Die from eating of the tree, they had no knowledge of death and therefore did not understand God when God said "for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." of course they ate from the tree, anyone in their situation would, they were immortal, living everlasting life with God, Bad(evil, sin, death) Wasn't known to them, it didn't apply to them till after they ate. Any person on earth that would of been in their situation would of done the same exact thing because they would not have the knowledge they have now. So when the serpent tempted and they saw it and the tree the saw that it was Good because nothing else existed but God! And all things from God are Good! they didn't even know what God's will, we do Gods will because were not perfect. Because were not in heaven. But they were born into it. So having no knowledge of themselves or bad or Good, But only sensing God, they ate from the tree and disobeyed God. They didnt know what disobeying God was, it never happened before. By disobeying Gods will causes death(sin) God created us so perfectly that we are only capable of living With God. At this moment you are only living because God has a reason for you to live, we might not know it. But we don't know as God knows, God knows all outcomes of everything, God knows everything, more then what all the minds on earth combined can think. Gods perfect beyond our comprehension and we can not understand this till God has been revealed in us, not till God brings us to him. You know whats Good because you’ve known whats bad. You now choose God because your not given to the lies this world tells us. God is within you and is outside of you, when you come to know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will realize that we are the children of the living father. Gods presence is everywhere, all existing. God gives us life and is the reason its living. It wasn't till after Adam and Eve ate that they knew themselves(became conscious of themselves) and knew they disobeyed God.
KJV Genesis 3:7 "And their eyes were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons."
God knew and allowed this to happen so God and Gods will would be revealed to us. Since Adam and Eve weren't born of their will and since they had no will of their own, because everything was created by God and not of them selves, because nothing was of themselves. It was Gods will. they were not with God by their own choice and thus, had no Faith, Trust, Belief, Love, or Respect for God. We have those feelings towards God because its now our own will to be with God to please God and to know God and be with God. We Trust in God so things will get better. We have Faith in God because God is in control, only God can make perfect, and there is no other good but God. If you believe otherwise then you believe in a lie, God is Truth. We Believe God because we have found God and God has revealed God within us. Adam and Eve didn't have Faith, Trust, belief, love or anything else for God Trust, faith, belief, love wasn't needed for them because those are the things that take us away from sin and to God. But They were born into God, with God, in heaven. They would of ate anything the tempter wanted them to eat! Because it was not possible for them to see or know any sin or death. They were born perfect(but not by their own will) So now that they ate from the tree and disobeyed God they became conscious of themselves, the evil they had done and the evil that came from their disobedience. Sin,death,Satan,evil all come from disobeying God. True life(everlasting) is only in God. Death was upon them, because They were no longer perfect in God and God in them. God is with those who do Gods will. They disobeyed it. Man can not do Gods will if everything existing is in Gods will. And since evil has no part in Gods will, evil came from mans will. We live in a world filled with bad, but there is also good upon all things, in all thing, (That are living) but it is blinded and hidden by sin. Sin first begins in our thoughts, then is fulfilled through the body. If we imagine,think,want to sinful deeds. Then it has already been done. Because the only thing stopping that sin of being fulfilled is the body and the situation we are in. otherwise that sin would be done, if the body was able. As you overcome the sin within you(in your consciousness,thoughts) the sin of your flesh is overcome, because the body only does the will of its spirit(mind, consciousness) overcome the sin from you spirit and by doing this you would have overcame the sin of the flesh.
Have you found a beginning, then, that you are looking for a end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death.
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hey
just thought i'd add in my 2cents worth here. its an interesting thing to ponder. God knows all, end from the beginning, He knows what you will do, before you do it, etc etc... so in the great scheme of things, He knew while He was creating Adam from the dust of the ground, all the heartache that would come. similarly, we can trace that back to Lucifer. when creating him he also knew of his rebellion and yet still chose to create him. we all know what happened next and so we are now in this situation.
If we begin at the statement 'God is Love', then we can work forward from there. Love cannot be forced. it can only be chosen. those who are married know that it is the Love that you have for one another (and God i hope) that keeps your marriage together. you cant just switch off Love because you have decided to. yet in the beginning, you had to choose to Love the person. and that meant taking them as they are, with all their past, mistakes and failures. on one hand, you can say God gave us a chance. he could have just created Adam, and if he flopped, ended all future creation. then you and I would not have been here. yet just as with Adam and the tree, God always hopes and believes that we will choose the right thing. He placed that tree wanting Adam to choose Him and His way. trusting Him to know whats best, even as we trust our children when they go out to know and believe what we have told is the best way. He gave us a chance, and its simply because He Loves us. and i don't know about you, but i would rather have a chance at eternal life, than nothing at all
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Thought of another possible situation... which somehow makes more sense the more i think of it...
Satan began his deception by proclaiming to the angels that he could do things better than God can. He gathered up his 3rd of the angels and was kicked out of heaven. yet, although he was kicked out, the doubt of others could have still been there. so maybe he decided to give the devil a chance to show the universe how life would be under his rule. Adam gave him a place to control when he doubted Gods way of doing things (kinda like the devil in heaven, Adam believed he could do things better his way and ate the fruit) and so we are in this situation. maybe God is now allowing the devil to show the universe what it is like if he is in charge.
God himself was on trial when lucifer claimed that God was unfair in His dealing, the very character of God was in question with the accusations of Lucifer. for He was saying that Gods way was simply not the best way. if He had zapped lucifer away at that moment, doubt would have surely lingered in the minds of the other angels, and some would worship him out of fear instead of the Love that He desires. so i think that maybe the trial is on, where God and His character is on trial. and right now the evidence is being played out. the effects of satans rule will be contrasted with the effects of Gods rule. and pretty soon, the universe (including us on earth) will see that Gods way is always beneficial for us in every way.
just a thought... its like if im innocent and i was accused of something, i would want all the evidence out there to clear my name. maybe God is doing the same.
Satan began his deception by proclaiming to the angels that he could do things better than God can. He gathered up his 3rd of the angels and was kicked out of heaven. yet, although he was kicked out, the doubt of others could have still been there. so maybe he decided to give the devil a chance to show the universe how life would be under his rule. Adam gave him a place to control when he doubted Gods way of doing things (kinda like the devil in heaven, Adam believed he could do things better his way and ate the fruit) and so we are in this situation. maybe God is now allowing the devil to show the universe what it is like if he is in charge.
God himself was on trial when lucifer claimed that God was unfair in His dealing, the very character of God was in question with the accusations of Lucifer. for He was saying that Gods way was simply not the best way. if He had zapped lucifer away at that moment, doubt would have surely lingered in the minds of the other angels, and some would worship him out of fear instead of the Love that He desires. so i think that maybe the trial is on, where God and His character is on trial. and right now the evidence is being played out. the effects of satans rule will be contrasted with the effects of Gods rule. and pretty soon, the universe (including us on earth) will see that Gods way is always beneficial for us in every way.
just a thought... its like if im innocent and i was accused of something, i would want all the evidence out there to clear my name. maybe God is doing the same.
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Hi,
GOd did not allow satan to to tempt adam and eve rather God want them to be faithful to him, you know this world is governed by law from the origin of creation and without the law how would we know that they really love and obey God,we have to consider the root of all evil satan who rebelled against God , let us consider this illustration; Imagine a teacher showing his students how to solve a difficut problem a claver and rebellious student claims that the teachers way of solving the problem is wrong ,implying that the teacher is incapable this rebel insist he knows better way of solving the problem some student thinks that he is right and they also become rebellious, what should the teacher do? if he throws the rebellious student out of class their fellow student will feel they are right and all the other student might lose respect for the teacher thinking that the teacher is afraid of being proved wrong. suppose the teachear allows the rebel student to show the class how he would solve the problem.God did similar thing to prove satan wrong.Because satan rebelled against God before other Angels in the Heaven.
GOd did not allow satan to to tempt adam and eve rather God want them to be faithful to him, you know this world is governed by law from the origin of creation and without the law how would we know that they really love and obey God,we have to consider the root of all evil satan who rebelled against God , let us consider this illustration; Imagine a teacher showing his students how to solve a difficut problem a claver and rebellious student claims that the teachers way of solving the problem is wrong ,implying that the teacher is incapable this rebel insist he knows better way of solving the problem some student thinks that he is right and they also become rebellious, what should the teacher do? if he throws the rebellious student out of class their fellow student will feel they are right and all the other student might lose respect for the teacher thinking that the teacher is afraid of being proved wrong. suppose the teachear allows the rebel student to show the class how he would solve the problem.God did similar thing to prove satan wrong.Because satan rebelled against God before other Angels in the Heaven.
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it was a test, ok if someone gave you a test review of the real test.....wouldn't that test review help? It is pretty much taking the test but not the actual test just a review....man that would help for me of course...lol
it is about perseverance and patients.....without doing the test we may never expeirance the long suffering and we would not be able to endure the next test....so again it helps us build perseverance.
it is about perseverance and patients.....without doing the test we may never expeirance the long suffering and we would not be able to endure the next test....so again it helps us build perseverance.