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    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    It is obvious that the O.T. points forward to the cross and the N.T. points back to the cross....

    The unleavened bread of the O.T. pointed to the sinless sacrifice of the Messiah and it is clear from scriptures that Jesus never sinned....

    The bible is also clear when it states that he became SIN for us and took our sin upon him as he hung upon the tree...

    When the Lord instituted the last supper, the Greek word used for bread is leavened bread.....

    My question is....The unleavened bread pointed to the sinless sacrifice to come....is IT POSSIBLE that the LEAVENED bread used by JESUS at the institution of the Lord's Supper POINTS back to him becoming SIN for us and TAKING our SIN upon himself?

    And if this is the case....IS it wrong to use leavened bread when we partake of the Lord's Supper?

    THESE are QUESTIONS...........SO....LOOK the words up and then tell me your view before you ASSUME anything.
    Hi D,

    The greek word used artos is a general term for bread and isn't specific. It could be leavened or unleavened bread.

    We always use unleavened. After all, Jesus was celebrating the Passover with His disciples and would have obeyed the law by using unleavened bread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desertsrose View Post
    Hi D,

    The greek word used artos is a general term for bread and isn't specific. It could be leavened or unleavened bread.

    We always use unleavened. After all, Jesus was celebrating the Passover with His disciples and would have obeyed the law by using unleavened bread.

    If I remember right the word for unleavened bread is different than leavened bread....

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    Quote Originally Posted by wwjd_kilden View Post
    I am pretty sure that Jesus just used the kind of bread he happened to have at hand,
    If it had happened in modern day America maybe the wine would have been Budweiser or Coke

    I believe that Jesus was deliberate and intentional. He used unleavened bread because He was celebrating the Passover with the disciples.

    Unleavened bread is a picture of sinlessness - our Savior being without spot or blemish. He also said, "Take, eat, this is My body broken for you.

    The wine is symbolic of His blood. I believe it's necessary to use unleavened bread and wine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desertsrose View Post

    I believe that Jesus was deliberate and intentional. He used unleavened bread because He was celebrating the Passover with the disciples.

    Unleavened bread is a picture of sinlessness - our Savior being without spot or blemish. He also said, "Take, eat, this is My body broken for you.

    The wine is symbolic of His blood. I believe it's necessary to use unleavened bread and wine.
    I am not so positive because in the N.T. we look back...He was sinless, yet BECAME SIN for us and TOOK our SIN upon him.....there is a change in the verbiage for a REASON....and the words are not the same....God makes no mistakes and has a reason for everything......just saying...Azumos is not tied to the bread that Jesus broke for a reason as it is the other places the Passover is celebrated.....
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    On the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, when it was customary to sacrifice the Passover lamb, Jesus’ disciples asked him, “Where do you want us to go and make preparations for you to eat the Passover?”

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    While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take it; this is my body.”

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    This topic is way over my head/above my pay grade by interesting none the less, keep it up...man I miss Australian bread..
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    Quote Originally Posted by breno785au View Post
    This topic is way over my head/above my pay grade by interesting none the less, keep it up...man I miss Australian bread..
    Are you here in the U.S. bro?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    If I remember right the word for unleavened bread is different than leavened bread....

    The greek word artos can be used for any bread, even unleavened. It's just a general term for bread. It's also used for the word loaf. It could be that Jesus broke the loaf (artos).

    It might help to look at the context of what's happening.

    Matthew 26
    17 On the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?”

    18 He replied, “Go into the city to a certain man and tell him, ‘The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house.’” 19 So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them and prepared the Passover.
    20 When evening came, Jesus was reclining at the table with the Twelve. 21 And while they were eating, he said, “Truly I tell you, one of you will betray me.”
    22 They were very sad and began to say to him one after the other, “Surely you don’t mean me, Lord?”
    23 Jesus replied, “The one who has dipped his hand into the bowl with me will betray me. 24 The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born.”
    25 Then Judas, the one who would betray him, said, “Surely you don’t mean me, Rabbi?”
    Jesus answered, “You have said so.”
    26 While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.”
    27 Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29 I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”

    It's the first day of unleavened bread. All leaven would have been thrown away and for the next 7 days they only ate unleavened bread.




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    On the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread
    The three Gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke show that on the night Jesus Christ
    was betrayed, He and His disciples prepared and kept the Passover[the start 14th]
    (Matthew 26:18,Mark 14:12, 16; Luke 22:15)

    the Lords Passover begins at sunset, at the beginning of the 14th.
    The current Jewish community observes their Passover on the 15th,
    Is Christ correct [14th] or the current Jews[15th] observation today?

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    “This feast began on the fourteenth day of the first moon, in the first month, Nisan,
    and it lasted only one day; but it was immediately followed by the days of unleavened
    bread, which were seven, so that the whole lasted eight days, and all the eight days
    are sometimes called the feast of the passover, and sometimes the feast or days of unleavened bread.”

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    these days were generally called the Passover or the feast of Unleavened Bread, meaning the
    whole eight days, including the Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread. Matthew says,
    “after two days is the feast of the passover.” In Mark 14:1 it says, “After two days was the
    feast of the passover, and of unleavened bread.” And in Luke 22:1 it says, “Now the feast of
    unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover.”

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    All three use slightly different terminologies, but the meaning is the same.
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    The Passover only pictures the death of Christ for the remission of sins
    that are past (Romans 3:25).



    The accepting of His blood does not forgive sins we may later commit;
    it does not give license to continue in sin. Therefore when we accept it,
    our sins are forgiven only up to that time—past sins.



    To what extent shall we put away sin? Not partially, but completely!
    And, as leaven is also a type of sin (1 Corinthians 5:8)— leaven puffs up,
    and so does sin—and, as seven is God’s number symbolizing completeness,
    we are to follow the Passover with seven Days of Unleavened Bread!


    The seven Days of Unleavened Bread following Passover picture to us
    the complete putting away of sin, the keeping of the commandments—
    after past sins are forgiven.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    Are you here in the U.S. bro?
    Nah man, I'm in Kenya.
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    Nice vacation or was it a move? BC you've been there a while. Just curious
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    Nah man, I'm in Kenya.
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    Quote Originally Posted by breno785au View Post
    Nah man, I'm in Kenya.
    Kenya...what the......hahhha What gives bro....? Mission trip, job, vacation....?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HisHolly View Post
    Nice vacation or was it a move? BC you've been there a while. Just curious
    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    Kenya...what the......hahhha What gives bro....? Mission trip, job, vacation....?
    Lol my wife is Kenyan so we are visiting family for the first time
    So many try to qualify the promises that I've made
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie-T View Post
    When I have some time, I will help you understand that (WENT TO SLEEP). As with many people, you seem to have gotten it all out of context.

    HINT: You ever seen anyone fall over dead in the pews during Communion?
    Dead? No, but I have someone get violently ill after partaking in the Lord's Supper after being in decent health before.
    It turns out that they did partake in an unworthy manner.
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    Dead? No, but I have someone get violently ill after partaking in the Lord's Supper after being in decent health before.
    It turns out that they did partake in an unworthy manner.
    I'm afraid that won't do. Actually believing you serve a God who is just waiting to strike people dead for not using the proper type of bread is a far cry from happening to see someone get sick while in the church building.

    I've been using a variety of very different food items and various drinks for communion, off and on, for at least four or more DECADES..... and I am still alive at 71 years of age. I do not serve that God who is out to kill His people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie-T View Post
    I'm afraid that won't do. Actually believing you serve a God who is just waiting to strike people dead for not using the proper type of bread is a far cry from happening to see someone get sick while in the church building.

    I've been using a variety of very different food items and various drinks for communion, off and on, for at least four or more DECADES..... and I am still alive at 71 years of age. I do not serve that God who is out to kill His people.
    I didn't say it was about the bread. We used unleavened bread.
    It was about the unworthy manner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NarrowRoadDisciple View Post
    I didn't say it was about the bread. We used unleavened bread.
    It was about the unworthy manner.
    Oh, I thought you might have been reading the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie-T View Post
    Oh, I thought you might have been reading the thread.
    Oh I have been, I was just responding to the rather random question you posed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wwjd_kilden View Post
    I am pretty sure that Jesus just used the kind of bread he happened to have at hand,
    If it had happened in modern day America maybe the wine would have been Budweiser or Coke
    No my dear sister. Nothing in the Bible is "just because"... that is where we make the mistake. Everything (and the Bible says everything) points to our Saviour and is there for a reason. We should take the journey and discover Jesus in it.

    So I can tell you without a shadow of doubt Jesus would not have used Budweiser and Coke if it happened in modern day America
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